Detroit Redwings Downfall

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If, and it's a big if, they don't by make it. That will be 9 years in a row which would be a new red wings record.
Is it really a big if? I think it's more likely than not.

CBJ and Ottawa are above 50%, NYR and DET below 50%, in my opinion.
 
Is it really a big if? I think it's more likely than not.

CBJ and Ottawa are above 50%, NYR and DET below 50%, in my opinion.
They are due for some regression to the mean here. They are not lose 6 in a row bad. They also are t the juggernaut they were after the coaching change when everything went right. Lots can happen in 19 games.

My own personal dream is that Mrazek gets hot and carries them to the post season. Also unlikely but I'd have a lot of fun if the final playoff piece was Mrazek.lol
 
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I keep telling the guys building a house on my block that it's not a well constructed house. It doesn't even have a roof! They keep saying it's still under construction and I should go away but I'm pretty sure I know what a house should look like.

Remember last summer when you told me there's no chance Habs would pass Detroit this season?

Good times.
 
I keep telling the guys building a house on my block that it's not a well constructed house. It doesn't even have a roof! They keep saying it's still under construction and I should go away but I'm pretty sure I know what a house should look like.
a house with.no roof is a brilliant analogy to be honest.
 
I'd still not put money on Montreal finishing ahead. But yes, they've been better than expected (better than the vast majority of people predicted) and Wings had a really bad start under Lalonde.

Because most people were clueless about Hutson and sleeping on his potential impact, but more egregiously, I would've expected Detroit fans to be more aware of his potential impact as they had witnessed his first two games last season.
 
So, between the big-3 fanbases that always argued which team would suck the least (OTT, BUF, and DET): Buffalo is jamming their heads even further up their asses, Detroit is also jamming their heads further up their asses, and OTT may be slowly pulling their heads out of their asses. I suppose the odds were that one of these trash ass teams would figure it out.
 
Wings are on their ninth season of rebuilding (which began when they turned into sellers at the 2016-17 trade deadline). Larkin was 20 when they started to rebuild and he'll turn 29 this summer.

They'll probably get good soon enough as Seider/Raymond/Edvinsson are all good and they have some room for improvement with that trio and more prospects that should push through in the form of guys like Cossa, Kasper, Danielsson, Sandin-Pellika, Brandsegg-Nygard, but the question about their ceiling does remain with Larkin age 28, DeBrincat age 27, Kane age 36, Compher age 29, Tarasenko age 33 as players to replace or that have likely played their best or close to best hockey.

To say it's been slow, as they've plodded along hoping to rebuild through the Draft, is an understatement. The lack of a Homerun Pick outside of the top of the draft has made the plan difficult to execute. They drafted Filip Hronek in the 2nd round in 2016 (pre-rebuilding) and since then their most productive NHL players to date after the first round have been 2018 Jonatan Berggren (53 career points), 2017 Gustav Lindstrom (35 career points), 2019 Elmer Soderblom (16 career points) and 2019 Albert Johansson (7 career points)
 
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We're talking about the last 5 games - i.e. the reason you're posting in this thread after not being seen here for 2 months. Losing Copp, Rasmussen, Mazur (right after being called up), along with Raymond+Larkin either dealing with injuries or just 4-nations exhaustion has been a major factor in the team not being better in this stretch.


They dug themselves into a hole under Lalonde. +/- 0 under McLellan. Why is what happened 4 years ago with a completely different roster and coach more relevant than the last 3 months?
Come on dude. Thats major homerism here.

Losing Copp and Rasmussen (for a couple games) shouldn’t be a major difference maker

It was literally Mazur’s first NHL game and you’re considering him a “loss”?

You have no idea if either Larkin or Raymond are injured. Sure they could be fatigued, but so would all the best NHL players as well, including some on Ottawa.

You’re right though, it is quite funny to see some Sens fans coming back out after disappearing completely for two months.
 
I keep telling the guys building a house on my block that it's not a well constructed house. It doesn't even have a roof! They keep saying it's still under construction and I should go away but I'm pretty sure I know what a house should look like.
Live look at said house
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Said they were a bad team overachieving and got clowned lmaoooo
They lack elite talent and it’s keeping them out of the playoffs every year. Decent prospect pool but none of them look like a future star.

So, between the big-3 fanbases that always argued which team would suck the least (OTT, BUF, and DET): Buffalo is jamming their heads even further up their asses, Detroit is also jamming their heads further up their asses, and OTT may be slowly pulling their heads out of their asses. I suppose the odds were that one of these trash ass teams would figure it out.
It’s looking like Ottawa has improved into a mediocre team while the other two are still just…bad.
 
They lack elite talent and it’s keeping them out of the playoffs every year. Decent prospect pool but none of them look like a future star.


It’s looking like Ottawa has improved into a mediocre team while the other two are still just…bad.
Top talent is the only thing we have. Sider-Ed will be one of the better pairings in the NHL in a year or two.

Raymond is breaking out and only 22.

Their top of roster scoring isn’t an issue.

The problem is after those two D and Ray/Larkin/Debrincat our team doesn’t know how to score or defend (unless you’re Kane on the PP)

3 of our D are barely, or not at all NHL calibre and the rest of the team are third liners at best.

The kids can’t come soon enough, and Yzerman needs to make a big move for D help or secondary scoring desperately
 
Top talent is the only thing we have. Sider-Ed will be one of the better pairings in the NHL in a year or two.

Raymond is breaking out and only 22.

Their top of roster scoring isn’t an issue.

The problem is after those two D and Ray/Larkin/Debrincat our team doesn’t know how to score or defend (unless you’re Kane on the PP)

3 of our D are barely, or not at all NHL calibre and the rest of the team are third liners at best.

The kids can’t come soon enough, and Yzerman needs to make a big move for D help or secondary scoring desperately
I'd disagree that top talent is the only thing Detroit has. Seider is a stud, likely a top 10 D. Edvinsson is a nice player, but not a star. Upfront, Larkin is a decent #1 center, but not a cup winning center (not even a playoffs making center tbh), Raymond is a stud PPG winger. Outside of that, Debrincat/Kane are having great seasons but they aren't top talent. The team is still missing a #1 center, #1 goalie, and two top 4 d.
 
Top talent is the only thing we have. Sider-Ed will be one of the better pairings in the NHL in a year or two.

Raymond is breaking out and only 22.

Their top of roster scoring isn’t an issue.

The problem is after those two D and Ray/Larkin/Debrincat our team doesn’t know how to score or defend (unless you’re Kane on the PP)

3 of our D are barely, or not at all NHL calibre and the rest of the team are third liners at best.

The kids can’t come soon enough, and Yzerman needs to make a big move for D help or secondary scoring desperately

It’s always “just wait for the kids”.

That’s what we said about Filip Zadina-Dennis Cholowski-Evgeny Svechnikov-Gustav Lindstrom-Tomas Jurco.
 
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It’s always “just wait for the kids”.

That’s what we said about Filip Zadina-Dennis Cholowski-Evgeny Svechnikov-Gustav Lindstrom-Tomas Jurco.
Literally no one expected anything from Cholo or Lindstrom lol.

Kasper and Ed are already here.

There’s a big difference between those guys and the guys coming up.

Which none need to be game breakers, we need actual depth. The chances they become better than the garbage we have on staff is high

I'd disagree that top talent is the only thing Detroit has. Seider is a stud, likely a top 10 D. Edvinsson is a nice player, but not a star. Upfront, Larkin is a decent #1 center, but not a cup winning center (not even a playoffs making center tbh), Raymond is a stud PPG winger. Outside of that, Debrincat/Kane are having great seasons but they aren't top talent. The team is still missing a #1 center, #1 goalie, and two top 4 d.
How many teams have a #2C on the level of Larkin? 2? 3?

Edvinssson looks every bit as good as Seider has.

Larkin/D/Raymond is just fine as a first line. It’s the rest of the forwards who are garbage or rookies
 

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