Detroit Redwings Downfall

[WarriorofTime]

y im enjoying the heck out of yzergod owning the draft floor and stacking up blue chips , then seein the chippers like edvinsson n kasper start their careers while further down the depth chart guys like augustine-lombardi-buchelnikov-finnie are raising hell while big hoss cossa rockin the ahl . real hockey fans of the red wings see nothing wrong with yzermans work AT ALL but are instead COMPLETELY IMPRESSED and are enjoying all these young blue chip monsters taking their first baby steps !

This has gotta be satire

 

[deca guard]

This has gotta be satire

more satire from button

Montreal Canadiens are No. 1 in TSN's annual NHL team ranking of U-24 players | TSN

Bolstered by a group of five players born outside Canada, the NHL's all-time Stanley Cup leader has a core of young players projected to be as strong as or better than any in the league.

www.tsn.ca

 

[sting101]

Lots of As and Bs for a team that can't make the playoffs. Maybe your letter grades aren't, like, based on fact?

Its about process not results when retoolin/rebuilding

And if you read what i posted i was highly critical of the pro scouting but also gave some leeway for the fact some of the players are more placeholders than solutions

 

[Pavels Dog]

Ottawa has 8 picks from the 2020 draft that have played 2 games or more.
Detroit has one the fourth overall pick.

"2 games or more" is probably the most unintentionally funny thing I've read on here in a while.

 

[brentashton]

how would you have shortened it ? by over paying n over terming risky ufa that wouldnt have brought in a cup anyway while costing long term cap plus weakend detroits draft position by improving record a littlle bit ? ufa that would be beyond prime when redwings kids were ready ? hes attempting to build redwings up to become long term cup runners , as opposed to your outlook that he should of spent future assets to just get in only to get quickly kicked out . you cry baby fans arent gonna rattle yzergods cage , hes building tampa bay north ''the red lightning''

I believe he could have kept to his goals and still be further along in the rebuild.

However in viewing your post history it’s clear you’re not a poster that is inclined to have a reasonable discussion about this. Attacking and name calling posters who you don’t agree with isn’t worth the trouble to engage with. I can go to Reddit to get that’s So probably best that we leave it at this, between us.

 

[Czechboy]

I believe he could have kept to his goals and still be further along in the rebuild.

However in viewing your post history it’s clear you’re not a poster that is inclined to have a reasonable discussion about this. Attacking and name calling posters who you don’t agree with isn’t worth the trouble to engage with. I can go to Reddit to get that’s So probably best that we leave it at this, between us.

I'm actually disapointed. When I read the reply to you I was really curious what you'd say. You took the higher road dammit.lol

 

[Shane Diesel]

Your first article doesn't support your point that "drafting is almost entirely luck" at all.

~15 paragraphs that can be summed up as "drafting pro bowl players is hard" "you usually find them in the first round, but sometimes you find them in later rounds."

Again, supports my contention that you merely googled for articles you thought would support your opinion, without actually reading them.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit either.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Your first article doesn't support your point that "drafting is almost entirely luck" at all.

Sure it does. You must've missed these gems:

Although it’s obvious that more Pro Bowlers come from the first round than at any other point in the draft, making a first-round selection is not a guarantee that the player will reach even that degree of success.

It’s more likely that he won’t.

Even counting, say, punters like Pat McAfee (Colts, No. 222 in 2009), only 2 percent of the Pro Bowlers came in the final round.

~15 paragraphs that can be summed up as "drafting pro bowl players is hard" "you usually find them in the first round, but sometimes you find them in later rounds."

Exactly what my premise is. Weird!

Again, supports my contention that you merely googled for articles you thought would support your opinion, without actually reading them.

Here are some other interesting tidbits that I apparently didn't read that support my contention:

If you want to take something simple out of this to remember for the future, it’s that an average draft class produces about 60 NHL players (between 51 and 69), and about 40 of them (between 36 and 49) will go on to play a significant career in the NHL (at least 300 games played).

There’s nearly a 70% difference between the seventh and first-round picks! That’s not to say that there can’t be some depth found in the final round picks, but it’s significantly less likely that you’ll see a player with star potential coming out of that round.

I know reading is hard, but keep with it, it'll be a rewarding skill for you. And serve you much better than accusing others of your own shortcomings.

Honestly, I think you did read this stuff and just don't like the fact it flies in the face of your world view. Either way I've exhausted my patience attempting to correct your vast ignorance.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Exactly what my premise is. Weird!

Your premise is “drafting is luck.” The article concluded “drafting is hard.” These are not the same thing.

 

[Ulysses31]

nother W 4 yzerplan

 

[Dotter]

Three points away from third in Atlantic with 2 games in hand.

Raymond is a thoroughbred stud. Edvinsson is so smooth and steady... he's going to surpass Seider as the #1 me thinks. I won't be surprised if Kasper breaks out soon. I looked up the word "tenacity" in the Webster Dictionary and saw a picture of Marco Kasper.

 

[schuelma24]

Three points away from third in Atlantic with 2 games in hand.

Raymond is a thoroughbred stud. Edvinsson is so smooth and steady... he's going to surpass Seider as the #1 me thinks. I won't be surprised if Kasper breaks out soon. I looked up the word "tenacity" in the Webster Dictionary and saw a picture of Marco Kasper.

He's not gonna break out with Berggren and Veleno on his line. Poor kid had one game with a decent line and now is saddled with the black hole that is Veleno.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

He's not gonna break out with Berggren and Veleno on his line. Poor kid had one game with a decent line and now is saddled with the black hole that is Veleno.

I've been liking Berggren more and more especially with Marco and I agree about Veleno. Nothing going on out there with that guy. Last season where he showed flashes of putting it together I think was his last shot at showing what he's made of and on a consistent basis. Just not a smart enough player

I was genuinely hoping they wouldn't sign him for more than a year this past offseason. 2 years isn't bad I guess. Unsure if any teams would have trade interest for him. I would waive him and hope someone takes a flyer. Or could be packaged in a bigger deal for a legit player we're needing

 

[Lampedampe]

Do i have my criticism of Yzerman, yeah.

But i'm not sure i get the obsession, last year Wings were as close as you can got to play-offs. A quarter through the season and they're in a fight for the play-offs again, admittedly they're not playing great.

This is while Edvinsson and Kasper are in their rookie year. ASP, Cossa and Danielsson yet to make the team, and several decent prospects in Augustine, Wallinder, Lombardi and Mazur.

While also having a great cap outlook and draft capital remaining, so improvements can be made via trade and or free-agency.

Compare that to Ottawa who's in this spot with little to no propsect pool or cap.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Three points away from third in Atlantic with 2 games in hand.

Raymond is a thoroughbred stud. Edvinsson is so smooth and steady... he's going to surpass Seider as the #1 me thinks. I won't be surprised if Kasper breaks out soon. I looked up the word "tenacity" in the Webster Dictionary and saw a picture of Marco Kasper.

I can see them leapfrogging Boston, I’d be more concerned about Buffalo and Tampa tbh.

Do you expect we’ll see Cossa at some point this year?

 

[norrisnick]

I can see them leapfrogging Boston, I’d be more concerned about Buffalo and Tampa tbh.

Do you expect we’ll see Cossa at some point this year?

If the Wings didn't have 3 other goalies, probably. I imagine at some point a team like Carolina and/or Colorado is going to toss something Steve's way that he can't refuse for either Talbot or Lyon. And since Husso can't stay healthy that would open up an opportunity for Cossa.

 

[dekelikekocur]

I think the thread is more about the bigger picture, which as it stands is Detroit cruising to another year without the playoffs. If they rattled off a few wins a row to get in the Buffalo range, it might make more sense. But we're all free to post as we like, as I am with snark!

This thread is about non-wings fans bitching to high heaven and trying to thump their chest.
Fact is, most of the non-wings fans posters have so little to root for their own team that they're stuck in hating the wings still. For all wings fans and the team, I apologize the wings skull caved your teams for so long and created such PTSD.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Out of 32 teams DRW have the #1 most difficult remaining strength of schedule (by team win/loss percentage).

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

how would you have shortened it ? by over paying n over terming risky ufa that wouldnt have brought in a cup anyway while costing long term cap plus weakend detroits draft position by improving record a littlle bit ? ufa that would be beyond prime when redwings kids were ready ? hes attempting to build redwings up to become long term cup runners , as opposed to your outlook that he should of spent future assets to just get in only to get quickly kicked out . you cry baby fans arent gonna rattle yzergods cage , hes building tampa bay north ''the red lightning''

Aside from your woeful grammar, the fact that you think anyone who isn’t okay with missing the playoffs for the 6th straight year while holding out blind faith on untested, unproven prospects tells me you’re not interested in being taken seriously in this discussion.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

why you think its your business to tell a gm he cant feather the gas peddle and remain in drafting / rebuild mode a while ive no idea

Because we’re the paying customers of the business he’s overseeing.

. go ahead and call it tanking like its wrong when in reality its obviously the most logical way to build a contender ! mean while im enjoying the heck out of yzergod owning the draft floor and stacking up blue chips , then seein the chippers like edvinsson n kasper start their careers while further down the depth chart guys like augustine-lombardi-buchelnikov-finnie are raising hell while big hoss cossa rockin the ahl . real hockey fans of the red wings see nothing wrong with yzermans work AT ALL but are instead COMPLETELY IMPRESSED and are enjoying all these young blue chip monsters taking their first baby steps ! i think theres a whole bunch of jealous opponant fans in this thread

 

[nbwingsfan]

His plan is a terrible one if it doesn't take into account what everyone outside of Detroit uses to adjudge the success of an NHL team: making the playoffs and competing for the Cup. Right now it's all words until he does that, and the team is no closer than when he took over. You can tout his greatness when the team he's assembled makes the post-season for the first time.

They were one of the worst non expansion teams in NHL history when he took over and had zero prospects to speak of.


Last season they missed the post season by 1pt, are battling against this season and have a top 3-5 prospect pool in the NHL

But sure, they’re no closer than when he took over

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

Where did Yzerman ever indicate that his goal was to simply make the playoffs?

Better question - why do you think it’s acceptable for one of the League’s premier franchises to have been outside of the playoffs for this long with no clear goal of when to get back, much less contend for a title?

Given your (poor) analogies, I can only assume you think SY should be fired, so tell us what should Jimmy D and Chris I do now? In your opinion who should they hire and what should the plan be?

Actually I don’t think he should be fired yet (as opposed to Lalonde, who never should have been retained for this season and should have been fired after the losses to the Ducks and Sharks last week). But if he continues to fail to produce meaningful results, then yes, he should be on the hot seat and have more pressure applied to accelerate this process.

Like I said, it’s a results-oriented business, and he’s not delivered meaningful results. (After six years, the “but they’ve improved their point total” excuse doesn’t fly anymore).

Oh, and you can drop the lazy “oh you think you could do better???” nonsense. I’ve never directed a film but I’m allowed to go to the movies and say what I paid to watch stunk.

you talk so much illogical non sense its laughable . how the hell you compare gm'ing an nhl team to being a surgeon is the most ridiculous analogy of earths history

Feel free to continue when you can write above the level of a blind second grader.

 

[FMichael]

If you upgrade let's say... Kasper to Cooley, Danielson to Fantilli, MBN to Iginla, it's hard not to think Detroit has a better future outlook.

There’s this thing called the draft lottery…Unlike Edmonton, Buffalo, and Chicago - we get hosed annually.

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

They were one of the worst non expansion teams in NHL history when he took over and had zero prospects to speak of.

More excuses.

Last season they missed the post season by 1pt,

They missed because they lost seven straight in March thanks to the absurdly terrible coaching strategies by Lalonde.

are battling against this season and have a top 3-5 prospect pool in the NHL

Where are they, then?

But sure, they’re no closer than when he took over

Sure, they’re about to miss the playoffs for the sixth straight year under his watch, but they’re close!

Goodness, the absolute blind faith and limitless runway you’re giving Yzerman is astounding.

It doesn’t make you any less of a fan to say that things aren’t progressing as fast as they should be, nor does it mean you have to go burn the Yzerman photos or posters you have.

There’s this thing called the draft lottery…Unlike Edmonton, Buffalo, and Chicago - we get hosed annually.

Yes, it’s criminal how far they fell, especially in 2019-20. Still not the only way to accumulate talent.