Proposal: (DET/EDM) Goalie swap: Skinner for Husso

[lanceuppercut75]

to Edmonton Oilers
Ville Husso (50% retained) (1y @ $2.3750m)
CAP RESULT = EDM saves $0.1250m

to Detroit Red Wings
Stuart Skinner (2y @ $2.6000m)
( DET retains $2.3750m for 1 year )
2024 Nashville 6th Round Pick
CAP RESULT = DET adds $0.2150m


Edmonton feels they HAVE to move on from Skinner. Husso is a 1 year experiment that doesn't add any cap, and in a worst case scenario, Husso 50% retained is a very moveable contract, if EDM wants to do "Husso plus for better goalie" betweeen now and the trade deadline. Husso Rodrigue and Campbell come into training camp fighting for 2 spots. Worst guy of the 3 goes on waivers and down to the AHL.

Detroit feels that they should move on from Husso. The second year of Skinner is only $2.6m with Husso retention finished. DET can graduate from Skinner Lyon to Skinner Cossa and then eventually Cossa. They add a draft pick too. Skinner is a relatively easy-ish contract to move if they decide later on that this trade was a mistake.

Both teams move on from the guys they want to move on with, and try somebody new instead on a short-term basis.

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[La Bamba]

this is so bad. The Oilers need an upgrade but that's not Husso lmao

 

[Pavels Dog]

this is so bad. The Oilers need an upgrade but that's not Husso lmao

It's even worse for Detroit. At least Edmonton in this scenario would save cap space and get out from the 2nd year of Skinner's contract. Detroit pays more for equally bad goaltending this year, locks themselves into Skinner for another year... for.. a 6th round pick??

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Detroit pays more for equally bad goaltending this year, locks themselves into Skinner for another year, gives up a 6th... for..??

Edmonton is sending the 6th rounder to Detroit, not the other way around.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Edmonton is sending the 6th rounder to Detroit, not the other way around.

I noticed that right after posting. It's still brutal to retain 50% and add 2 years of Skinner for a 6th.

 

[wetcoast]

this is so bad. The Oilers need an upgrade but that's not Husso lmao

Exactly and I don't think skinner is really the problem, Florida is just really dialed in right now.

Bob is also going to win the Conn Smythe.

 

[norrisnick]

Exactly and I don't think skinner is really the problem, Florida is just really dialed in right now.

Bob is also going to win the Conn Smythe.

He is. The Oilers are playing tight because if any semi-decent chance is given up it's likely going in. They can't open up because there is no safety net. The Panthers are playing much more loose offensively. If Edmonton could play loose they can score on Bob. But they can't. They are pretty dialed in defensively, but since they aren't perfect, and who is? It's not enough. Average or above goaltending and it's a much different series.

 

[Jared Dunn]

He is. The Oilers are playing tight because if any semi-decent chance is given up it's likely going in. They can't open up because there is no safety net. The Panthers are playing much more loose offensively. If Edmonton could play loose they can score on Bob. But they can't. They are pretty dialed in defensively, but since they aren't perfect, and who is? It's not enough. Average or above goaltending and it's a much different series.

I don't think there are a ton of goalies you could put in his place and meaningfully change things. The Panthers are so deep, they're just a much better team. I think Dallas would have matched up better but Florida is just the best team in the league period

 

[norrisnick]

I don't think there are a ton of goalies you could put in his place and meaningfully change things. The Panthers are so deep, they're just a much better team. I think Dallas would have matched up better but Florida is just the best team in the league period

Change Bob to a sub.900 goalie and the depth doesn't matter. Not having bad goaltending is far more important than having great goaltending.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's even worse for Detroit. At least Edmonton in this scenario would save cap space and get out from the 2nd year of Skinner's contract. Detroit pays more for equally bad goaltending this year, locks themselves into Skinner for another year... for.. a 6th round pick??

Skinner is a clearly better goalie than Husso.

 

[Fatass]

Clearly the Oilers need a huge upgrade in nets but this isn’t the guy.

 

[thefutures]

Oilers need to call Mike Smith

 

[minimal]

Smells like desperation in here.

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

Nobody wants Skinner.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Nobody wants Skinner.

People want Husso and his .892 this year even less.

This is bad for Edmonton. Skinner's still very young for an NHL goalie. Edmonton needs to support him better, not throw him away for no reason.

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

People want Husso and his .892 this year even less.

This is bad for Edmonton. Skinner's still very young for an NHL goalie. Edmonton needs to support him better, not throw him away for no reason.

Personally I think Skinner sucks. No athletic ability hardly. Painful watching him move around. Quite a toad.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Personally I think Skinner sucks. No athletic ability hardly. Painful watching him move around. Quite a toad.

Husso is worse, older, and injury prone. I wouldn't do this deal with 100% retention.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Im sure any teams would be thrilled to get the worst save % in the cap era as a goalie in playoff.

That trade doesn't help Detroit or Edmonton at all

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Im sure any teams would be thrilled to get the worst save % in the cap era as a goalie in playoff.

That trade doesn't help Detroit or Edmonton at all

If your position is "both goalies suck and no team should want either", and yeah you can think Husso is even worse, that's fine, then the team trading the 2 year contract bad goalie away and getting the 1 year contract bad goalie back in the trade would be helped by that, wouldn't they? Stuck with a bad goalie for a year less after the trade. That would be a win.

 

[Petes2424]

to Edmonton Oilers
Ville Husso (50% retained) (1y @ $2.3750m)
CAP RESULT = EDM saves $0.1250m

to Detroit Red Wings
Stuart Skinner (2y @ $2.6000m)
( DET retains $2.3750m for 1 year )
2024 Nashville 6th Round Pick
CAP RESULT = DET adds $0.2150m


Edmonton feels they HAVE to move on from Skinner. Husso is a 1 year experiment that doesn't add any cap, and in a worst case scenario, Husso 50% retained is a very moveable contract, if EDM wants to do "Husso plus for better goalie" betweeen now and the trade deadline. Husso Rodrigue and Campbell come into training camp fighting for 2 spots. Worst guy of the 3 goes on waivers and down to the AHL.

Detroit feels that they should move on from Husso. The second year of Skinner is only $2.6m with Husso retention finished. DET can graduate from Skinner Lyon to Skinner Cossa and then eventually Cossa. They add a draft pick too. Skinner is a relatively easy-ish contract to move if they decide later on that this trade was a mistake.

Both teams move on from the guys they want to move on with, and try somebody new instead on a short-term basis.

Makes little to no sense for for Detroit. Certainly not retaining half, or even the equivalent to his buyout price which would be 33%.

Husso’s likely on the buyout list for Detroit. Either he’s gonna be included in a trade for a veteran goaltender, or they’re going to acquire someone, and then buy him out. Probably the latter, which saves them $3.1 million next year.

So if Edmonton wanted to make this trade, because he is a better goalie than Skinner, Detroit’s NOT gonna retain half. They may retain what the buyout would cost them. $1.67 million or 33%. So Edmonton would get him at $3.1 million and Detroit would take Skinner at $2.6.

Makes no sense in the world for Detroit to be paying $5 million for Stuart Skinner next year. Doesn’t even make much sense to be paying $4.2 million for him, which is Skinner AAV plus the 33%.

It really would be a last case scenario for Detroit. They want to upgrade their net. Skinner’s shown nothing to suggest he’s that guy. In fact, they might be better off just keeping Husso and hoping the groin is finally heeled, over bringing in Skinner for basically $500k less. Certainly not at over $5 million at over 50%.

Could they buyout Husso and end up trading a mid round pick for Skinner, if they can’t grab someone better? Maybe.

Comes down to Detroit is trying to get better in net. Skinner just doesn’t do that.

 

[CanadienShark]

I don't see the point.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Skinner has been put in a bad spot by EDM. Comes into the league as a rookie & gets thrust into the starters role immediately cause their goaltending has been so bad for years. Then (predictably) fails to match the level of the few elite goaltenders in the league & becomes target #1 for the Oilers shortcomings.

As for this deal. I dont think Skinner is a bad gamble for DET given his age, but the question from their POV (imo) would be weighing what you could get a year from now in free agency (or maybe even trade) vs having the extra year of Skinner. If there's someone they like more that they think could hit the market then they'd be better off with the flexibility.

 

[Frank Drebin]

skinner has neutral value at 2.6 million. Oilers don't have to move on from him, they have to find a replacement for jack campbell.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

As for this deal. I dont think Skinner is a bad gamble for DET given his age, but the question from their POV (imo) would be weighing what you could get a year from now in free agency (or maybe even trade) vs having the extra year of Skinner. If there's someone they like more that they think could hit the market then they'd be better off with the flexibility.

I think DET is expecting Cossa to be their starter longer term. Doubt they'll go after a "good" goalie next summer unless Cossa regresses in the AHL.

 

[Djp]

Skinner has actual valur.....