ToneDog
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I believe this is the test the Leafs gave him when he was interviewed for the GM job. He aced it. Being a dinosaur, Lou failed it. Hunter got too many wrong.
Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests
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I believe this is the test the Leafs gave him when he was interviewed for the GM job. He aced it. Being a dinosaur, Lou failed it. Hunter got too many wrong.
Well interesting. Maybe they should have role played, shanahan being matthews/marner:
Shanahan As matthews/marner in the dubas interview: ok, I want to be the second highest paid player in the nhl, front loaded bonuses, a no move clause as soon as I’m eligible in 4 yrs time, and in return I give you one whole glorious fantastical ufa year.
Dubas: oh ok, what about…
Shanahan as matthews/marner: :cuts dubas off: Don’t push me or I’ll sit out
dubas: deal!
ToneDog
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As silly as it sounds, Dubas would have been much better prepared rather than being a deer in the headlights when thrown to the wolves.
In addition a course in how to stand firm and not blink during contract negotiations with greedy player agents would have helped.
I remember Shanahan was picking Lou’s successor, I said at the time, everything and I mean everything comes down to the Matthews, Marner and Nylander contracts. And I wondered how shanahan would go about preparing said successor for such negotiations. Even I knew how important it was how those contracts would get negotiated and I’m some fat guy on disability lol.
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LOL not everything takes a genius to see. Sometimes some people think they are too smart for their own good. I mean how many times do you need to see the same outcome before you decide that it might be wrong?
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Don’t you get tired of defending Dubas? Lou would at least show the fans what 2nd round feels like. This reason alone would be all worth the try.
Personally for me he has failed the test year after year.
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The discussion within the discussion started with my post #1812 commenting on Dubas' refusal to adjust his strategy after cap growth died. A different set of macro-conditions at the time of the JT signing (big decision # 1) and the subsequent cost of signing the big 3 (big decision #2).
With the flat cap in place and the big 4 salary impact established, he arrives at big decision #3: with millions less to spend then anticipated, is "we can and we will" with those forwards a sustainable strategy or should it be scrapped based on the new reality of the NHL business environment? You would need a time machine to change big decisions #1 and #2 but #3 still remains an option. Right up until Willie re-signs or walks.
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How many expected correct answer did you have
What Dubas has shown me:
- He has a very good eye for drafting and recognizing buy-low opportunities (Bunting, Kampf, Kase)
- He has proven that he has excellent knowledge of any personnel or player ever to be affiliated with the Soo Greyhounds. He fails to remember if they ever had any success there though.....
- He is lacking in negotiation saavy. He thinks good-faith in negotiations is a thing, and gets taken advantage of because he's the only one bringing it.
- He hasn't figured out that a winning Team has many different elements to it. He just brings shiny skill pieces and hopes they work. He knows how to shop, but he doesn't know how to put together an ensemble.
- I don't feel he is well-regarded by his GM peers. I don't think he has a lot credibility with them and he sure doesn't have the fear factor that Lou had, not that I'm advocating for Lou back, because I'm not. I think part of it is that he comes across as acting like he is smarter than everyone else, which never goes over well. It leaves him either not fulfilling trades, or on the wrong end of them. Honestly, would you want him making a trade with Yzerman or Sakic? They would absolutely eat his lunch. Dorion hosed him, for crying out loud.
Dubas has not passed any test from what I can see. He has some strengths, but nothing that I feel would have merited giving a GM role of the Toronto Maple Leafs to someone with no NHL GM experience. I think he excels in finding value UFA's and drafting, but I don't think that's enough merit and the lack of results on the ice in the Playoffs just takes the narrative further and further away from Dubas being a success.
- He has a very good eye for drafting and recognizing buy-low opportunities (Bunting, Kampf, Kase)
- He has proven that he has excellent knowledge of any personnel or player ever to be affiliated with the Soo Greyhounds. He fails to remember if they ever had any success there though.....
- He is lacking in negotiation saavy. He thinks good-faith in negotiations is a thing, and gets taken advantage of because he's the only one bringing it.
- He hasn't figured out that a winning Team has many different elements to it. He just brings shiny skill pieces and hopes they work. He knows how to shop, but he doesn't know how to put together an ensemble.
- I don't feel he is well-regarded by his GM peers. I don't think he has a lot credibility with them and he sure doesn't have the fear factor that Lou had, not that I'm advocating for Lou back, because I'm not. I think part of it is that he comes across as acting like he is smarter than everyone else, which never goes over well. It leaves him either not fulfilling trades, or on the wrong end of them. Honestly, would you want him making a trade with Yzerman or Sakic? They would absolutely eat his lunch. Dorion hosed him, for crying out loud.
Dubas has not passed any test from what I can see. He has some strengths, but nothing that I feel would have merited giving a GM role of the Toronto Maple Leafs to someone with no NHL GM experience. I think he excels in finding value UFA's and drafting, but I don't think that's enough merit and the lack of results on the ice in the Playoffs just takes the narrative further and further away from Dubas being a success.
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Passing on Lou Lam doesn’t make the Dubas hiring correct by default. Hiring neither would have been the correct choice. The OP is pretty much always wrong, this thread is just another example.
the test is still ongoing... it's do or die this season
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This is the correct take.
I would add, I think he gets blinded by what his fancy stats say about a player.
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Yeah the OP is only ever good to follow for Marlies discussions and even then he's pumping them up a bit.
Huge dubas fanboy. He used to be a Babcock fanboy as well before turning on him along with a bunch of others
The one thing of many that baffled me About dubes, and just realizing dubes rhymes with pubes, initially he thought an all skill small team would be cup worthy. Does he not realize hockey is an oh I don’t know, A CONTACT SPORT! So shanty sets him straight and what does dubes do, gets over the hill Thornton, Simmonds, Clifford, an aging muzzin and go “there, that’s your grit”, SMH
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This season is the final, for realz, not joking, test. Last season was the final, final, ultimate test. 2 seasons from now will be the we are really serious this time, no bs, final test extreme.
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Many thought the same thing this past season as well.
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Islanders currently have 11 million in cap space, with Dobson to sign.
We have -1.5 million in cap space, with Sandin to sign.
Who's in the cap calamity?
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Right. And the JT signing was a bigger mistake, in terms of both need and amount, than the WN signing. #3, what to do with limited funds, probably won't be resolved until JT's contract ends.
Nyi fans are holding his feet to the fire because of one bad season and him not spending 11 mil a year on Johnny hockey.
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