Desharnais and Briere

[Sorinth]

... Look at my edit : this is EXACTLY what I proposed.

Does this mean I win the Internet

Glad we are on the same page.

 

[MXD]

Does this mean I win the Internet

Glad we are on the same page.

Well, it was actually in the post you quoted, and the word "EDIT" doesn't appear!

But yeah, I mean, Bourque - DD - Prust. I'd even like to see White in a role where he could actually play offence. Just to try.

 

[onemorecup*]

They won't work on the same line. I can't see it and I don't see it, they're both C, similar, and tiny. I've never been one to harp on the size issue, but our #1 line is that?? Quite clear our RW is quite unnerving and having a natural C playing on it, just makes it that much more obvious. I just doesn't see how Desharnais has a role on our team? In my eyes you have Pleks, Eller, Briere ahead of him and he's no Ryan White. I just don't see how how him and Briere have a fit on our team together, let alone on the same line.

agreed , is this organization that Pejorative Slured ? can you name a solid team that has these 2 midgets playing on a top line ? this is getting comical folks

how can you compete in the conference with thse 2 plus Gallagher and Gio on your top 9 and win

you dont go to war with DD , period , man this is annoying , you cant and never will win with him and a near finished Briere

watch the last 3 stanley cup teams , we are so far from them right its not even close to their blueprint

 

[onemorecup*]

Yhea, because Therrien proved to be such an incompetent coach so far. I mean, getting from 15th to 2nd place? What a fail!!!

48 games bro , we would of missed the playoffs over 82

dont forget it , last year meant nothing

 

[onemorecup*]

I think we have to realize the DD line is not the # 1 line. In all honesty it will be Gally-Eller-Gally. Outside of Maxpac, Eller and Galchenyuk led the team last year in even strength points and there's no reason to think they won't do the same this year with additional ice time.

Plekanec's line will be the tough minutes line playing against the other team's best. The DD line is basically additional offense, and yes, they'll get easy minutes and offensive zone starts, and that will help them be effective.

But they're not the # 1 line.

Everyone needs to realize just how good Eller and Galchenyuk already are, and that there's really no rush to put Galchenyuk at centre.

I do think Bourque and Pacioretty will be swapped eventually though.

how can you not put Gachy at center right now ?

wtf does he have to prove , he has size , strength , vision , shot , 6th sense
he is hands down the best prospect we have had in decades upfront

he is # 1 it isnt even close , I like Pleks but **** its time to pass the torch

how he has to play behind a one dimensional DD is ludacorus

 

[PricePkPatch*]

48 games bro , we would of missed the playoffs over 82

dont forget it , last year meant nothing

Says who? how can you claim what would have happened, and what counts and what doesn't?

 

[MXD]

48 games bro , we would of missed the playoffs over 82

dont forget it , last year meant nothing

...That means DD's bad season doesn't count, Eller's first real good season doesn't count and Galchenyuk did jacksquat in the league, because it was a short season.

Even ME ... I'm not saying that.

Didn't know you were on DD's side.

 

[onemorecup*]

Says who? how can you claim what would have happened, and what counts and what doesn't?

48 games is not a body of work to base the standings

we overachieved period with 48 games

we will not make the playoffs this year in this new format

too many flaws and they will get exposed

 

[onemorecup*]

...That means DD's bad season doesn't count, Eller's first real good season doesn't count and Galchenyuk did jacksquat in the league, because it was a short season.

Even ME ... I'm not saying that.

Didn't know you were on DD's side.

dd is a useless piece of crap and we all know it

 

[MXD]

dd is a useless piece of crap and we all know it

Haa... The famous "we" word.

May I ask you who "we" refers to?

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

dd is a useless piece of crap and we all know it

What a great argument right there!

 

[PricePkPatch*]

dd is a useless piece of crap and we all know it

Man, your wits have never been equalled.

Surpassed, often. Never equalled. Any more non-capitalized pearls of wisdom you want to share with us?

 

[BLONG7]

dd is a useless piece of crap and we all know it

A little harsh, perhaps...

Man, there is alot of drama on these boards this preseason...

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Briere will have many great passes screwed up by Desharnais because Desharnais is a habitual "pass-first" guy.

 

[HCH]

I don't know if I can take 4 more years of DD.

Maybe DD thinks the same thing about this board

 

[PricePkPatch*]

Maybe DD thinks the same thing about this board

4 more years!

4 more years!!

 

[Habssince89]

The biggest problem with DD is that while giving him the softest minutes and the best wingers can make him produce, it causes our team as a whole to struggle. He should be on the wing for starters. It's simply not worth giving him everything when it stunts the production of at least 4 better players in: Eller, Galchenyuk, Gallagher(now that he's been replaced by Briere), and even Maxpac. Plus I think Max would be better off with another centre. It's simply infuriating.

 

[MXD]

The biggest problem with DD is that while giving him the softest minutes and the best wingers can make him produce, it causes our team as a whole to struggle. He should be on the wing for starters. It's simply not worth giving him everything when it stunts the production of at least 4 better players in: Eller, Galchenyuk, Gallagher(now that he's been replaced by Briere), and even Maxpac. Plus I think Max would be better off with another centre. It's simply infuriating.

Struggle?
As in, last season?

 

[Habssince89]

Struggle?
As in, last season?

No, sorry. I should clarify, struggle was the wrong word to use. What I meant was that the coaching staff insulates DD, but it comes with the cost of hurting production of better players, causing the team as a whole to produce less than it should. It damages the output of the team. So in the end, DD may get more minutes and points, but the team scores less because the better, more talented and effective players are on the bench. This is especially true when it comes to the PP.

I just hope that Eller and Galch surpass him in the depth chart, because Eller is already better than DD (he confirmed it for me by the end of last year when he became our most dominant forward) and Galchenyuk, while still raw, needs TOI and a larger role to develop properly. Hopefully MT's quote about Galch getting a bigger role means less PP time for DD. He simply has no ability to control the puck in the dirty areas, which to me is the biggest reason we have problems with the man advantage.

DD shined that one year with Max and Cole because he thrives on a run and gun game. But now that we are becoming more balanced, and have a new coach and philosophy, boardplay and cycling have become an important part of our attack. And to me, DD does not have the skillset to carry that out, at least as a Centre. Like I've said before on this site, DD would actually be a great winger for Eller.

 

[MXD]

No, sorry. I should clarify, struggle was the wrong word to use. What I meant was that the coaching staff insulates DD, but it comes with the cost of hurting production of better players, causing the team as a whole to produce less than it should. It damages the output of the team. So in the end, DD may get more minutes and points, but the team scores less because the better, more talented and effective players are on the bench. This is especially true when it comes to the PP.

I just hope that Eller and Galch surpass him in the depth chart, because Eller is already better than DD (he confirmed it for me by the end of last year when he became our most dominant forward) and Galchenyuk, while still raw, needs TOI and a larger role to develop properly. Hopefully MT's quote about Galch getting a bigger role means less PP time for DD. He simply has no ability to control the puck in the dirty areas, which to me is the biggest reason we have problems with the man advantage.

DD shined that one year with Max and Cole because he thrives on a run and gun game. But now that we are becoming more balanced, and have a new coach and philosophy, boardplay and cycling have become an important part of our attack. And to me, DD does not have the skillset to carry that out, at least as a Centre. Like I've said before on this site, DD would actually be a great winger for Eller.

See, if every DD's criticism on this board would look like this, it would be much more readable and tolerable. I do think the depth chart should reflect that Eller passed DD last season. DD will still get PP minutes to avoid serious unbalance, but Eller indeed deserves PP time.

 

[bsl]

The problem with DD is that his treatment is opposite of what you would expect on a team.

It seems that the approach with him is: DD is guaranteed a spot on the team. Where do we put him? And then the reasoning would go: Well, he can't play on the wing as his shot and speed aren't that good. He isn't very good defensively because he is small (small even compared to other small players), not very strong and again not very fast. He does have good vision. Alright then! He will be used in an offense-only role with two of the team's best wingers always at his side. He will play mostly in offensive zone faceoff situations (even though he isn't very good at faceoffs either) and on the 1st PP unit. That's pretty much the only place he could play given that he's definitely on the team. It just so happens that the only place he could play is also probably THE most desirable position on an NHL team, and one where the best players have the opportunity to play.

His presence on the team wouldn't be so annoying if it weren't for the fact that the Habs have Eller and Galchenyuk who possess much more desirable qualities as centermen without sacrificing anything except experience.

Everyone Panique pas. If DD is **** this year, the TEAM will insist something be done. Bergy will have no choice but to deal him at deadline for a 3rd rounder.

If DD is effective, then he will have adapted, and I will not have a problem with him on the team.

The trouble with DD is that no one can be sure the he can adapt for his size. He did not prove it last year, especially in the PO. Which make his signing bizarre.

So no big deal. He either becomes and effective NHL player this year, or he will be gone.

 

[bsl]

I agree that they're both very soft, but this is just mind boggling.

Not even one game played and haters are letting the hate flow already. This is just sad. Let MT chose how he manages the lines.

Coincidentally, it happens to be on the only Franco starters the Habs have in the lineup. Coincidence only, I know right ?!

In before someone gets their panties in bunch over that.

What's worse is that they played decently for the few mins of ice time they had, Ryan White and Moen on the PK were atrocious on the other hand, but NOPE, let's whine about our talented offensive players becuase they're too small LOL As if it takes 6.0ft 200 lbs to score goals in the NHL.

i'm still waiting for someone critiscizing Ryan White and Travis Moen BAD BAD BAD PK against the Bs though. Still no comment on that. You guys are pathetic. But wait, it was only a preseason game right ? RW and TM got schooled like the AHLers they are, but they're both 6ft + so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt 'It's preseason and vets aren't pushing yadda yadda'. You guys realise that the Bs had almost all their PP goals vs the Habs NHL squad ? Murray = Pylon, Bouillon = smaller pylon, Moen = orange cone, White = headless chicken. The Bs skated around them and cycled the puck way too easy, but wait, it's just practice yo. MT must have been mad at them, even if it's preseason. The Bs NHLers didn't look bad on the PP, even if it's their preseason.

Also, Lucic bullies Leblanc, why the Hell no one on the Habs bullied any of the Bs rookies ? White ? Moen ? Murray ? Tarnasky ? What are they here for again ? No mention of that either on these boards. Pathetic. But let's hate on the small franco players moar.

Quit the politics. Not welcome here. There is no conspiracy OK? A lot of guys **** on Moen also.

 

[bsl]

Like I've said before on this site, DD would actually be a great winger for Eller.

No. He would not be a great winger for anyone, because he cannot score goals.

1 year ago on this board I wrote that if DD did not adjust his game and learn to score goals he was toast.

He did not do that, and yet he was re signed for 4 ******* years. It is infuriating. It really is.

DD should not ever have been re signed without showing that he could also be an effective 25 goal winger.

Un ****ing believable. It really makes me nervous about Bergy. I bet there were massive arguments behind closed doors on the re signing.

DD is useless to Habs unless he becomes an effective goal scorer. On PP especially. Habs do not need yet another non scoring center.

It is so ****ing obvious I can't believe I have to say it here.

 

[MXD]

No. He would not be a great winger for anyone, because he cannot score goals.

1 year ago on this board I wrote that if DD did not adjust his game and learn to score goals he was toast.

He did not do that, and yet he was re signed for 4 ******* years. It is infuriating. It really is.

DD should not ever have been re signed without showing that he could also be an effective 25 goal winger.

Un ****ing believable. It really makes me nervous about Bergy. I bet there were massive arguments behind closed doors on the re signing.

DD is useless to Habs unless he becomes an effective goal scorer. On PP especially. Habs do not need yet another non scoring center.

It is so ****ing obvious I can't believe I have to say it here.

Why should DD be held to a standard that only one of our players is expected to reach, while 4 forwards have higher salary than DD?

You spoke about politics earlier. That's another kind of politics.

 

[Monctonscout]

how can you not put Gachy at center right now ?

wtf does he have to prove , he has size , strength , vision , shot , 6th sense
he is hands down the best prospect we have had in decades upfront

he is # 1 it isnt even close , I like Pleks but **** its time to pass the torch

how he has to play behind a one dimensional DD is ludacorus

Let's stick McCarron on RW on the 1st line too, Beaulieu on the top PP and Tinordi in the top 4 while we're at it!



Just because a guy has skills and potential doesn't mean he is ready to "carry the load" FFS let the kid learn and develop instead of throwing him into the water and forcing him to survive.