Derek Ryan waived / Josh Brown demoted

[Bring Back Bucky]

At least someone is watching this team play and can recognize when mistakes were made. Ryan is done as a regular in this league and Brown never should've been leaned on as such. Whatever pro scout(s) were behind both of those calls should be canned, but on the other hand we'd have less than three of them then so probably not.

Klingberg gets his shot against WAS I would guess. With Connor likely suspended a game or two he can soak up all the PP minutes he can handle. Skinner probably draws back in after the team gave up 3+ goals in back to back games, which should help Knoblauch realize he's not the only one playing suspect D up front.

I wonder if Knob goes back to 11/7 for the next two games so he can have a safety valve in case Klingberg's fitness isn't up to par:

Podz-Draisaitl-Arvidsson
Skinner-RNH-Hyman
Janmark-Henrique-Brown
Philp-Perry/Kapanen

Ek-Bouch
Nurse-Klingberg
Kulak-Emberson
Stecher

I don’t think Klingberg gets in that fast.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I hope Ryan clears, there's value in him still being in the organization, though it's the right call

I hope we never hear from Josh Brown again

 

[Dynamic]

Hope he clears, sneaking suspicion he will be back up even if its just as a black ace come playoff time. Might be done as a regular but having a guy with deep playoff experience is never a bad thing.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

All the best to DR. He played really well for us, for wayyyyyy longer that I ever expected him to. It’s a bit harsh to send him down like this, but the NHL is a business.

So long, farewell Derek! I’ll start my Application with @Messrules11 (hehe) to post a retirement thread for him now.

 

[Frank the Tank]

Derek Ryan should issue a statement like Spezza did in his final season - I want to play in Edmonton to finish my career. If anyone claims me, I'm retiring on the spot.

 

[MoontoScott]

The Klingberg contract is complicated because it was signed mid year and includes a signing bonus. This is my understanding:

1. Klingbergs annual pro-rated salary is 1M. So if he signed it before the season he would have been owed the full 1M. However because he signed it with 91 days left it would be 91/192 or 47.4%. That's 474k in cash that he would be paid which is basically paid out as he plays the game, not as a lump sum.

2. Klingberg had a 350k signing bonus. This amount is paid in full. So if the Oilers are under the cap, the full 350k is added to the 474k. In total that would be 824k in cash paid out to the player.

3. This is different than his annual cap. His annual cap hit is the 1M annual salary plus the signing bonus of 350k. However, since the signing bonus was done for half the games, you essentially have to double (now 700k) if it was an "annual amount". That makes the annual cap hit 1.7 (1M salary plus 2x the signing bonus of 350k).

4. LTIR is a whole other ball of wax. LTIR doesn't increase a teams cap, rather it's supposed to "make teams whole". So when it comes to these mid-season contracts it actually penalizes you if you try using LTIR. So instead of the 824k, it uses that full 1.7M annual amount.

Hope that helps!

Excellent summary-thanks--point #3 makes it clear where the number comes from. I would not have guessed that the "bonus cap hit" would be doubled ---since the contract was signed mid-season-- but I guess that if you just did it for the 350K (and not 700k) then that would be another creative way for teams to maximize their cap room on an annual basis.

The LTIR rules ultimately sound like something for the Supreme Court to resolve. "Make teams whole" is an ambiguous statement that could be interpreted several ways. I'm amazed that it made it thru the players agreement with the league. It sounds like the preamble to the Constitution or something. I wonder what hockey executives from the past would have thought about this stuff?

 

[McDoused]

Excellent summary-thanks--point #3 makes it clear where the number comes from. I would not have guessed that the "bonus cap hit" would be doubled ---since the contract was signed mid-season-- but I guess that if you just did it for the 350K (and not 700k) then that would be another creative way for teams to maximize their cap room on an annual basis.

The LTIR rules ultimately sound like something for the Supreme Court to resolve. "Make teams whole" is an ambiguous statement that could be interpreted several ways. I'm amazed that it made it thru the players agreement with the league. It sounds like the preamble to the Constitution or something. I wonder what hockey executives from the past would have thought about this stuff?

I mean that's just me trying to summarize what's going on. They definitely didnt word it like thay in the CBA. Im not sure if youre being facetious or not.

When I say that the goal of LTIR is to make players whole, it means that players can continued to be paid out their salaries even though they arent playing. However, it also makes teams whole by essentially using their cap space on a replacement. In order to operate in LTIR, the team can set their LTIR pool at the start of the year, or get as close to the cap limit as possible before putting a player on it. For example with an 88M cap, if a team is only spending 86M and then put a 5M on LTIR, it would be like having a cap of 91M (it doesnt actually increase their cap). You aren't maximizing the amount available.

It's way more complicated and I'm not a CBA expert. Just note that teams are either operating in LTIR or they aren't. Once you are working in LTIR you are committed to operate by a different set of rules.

It's important that we remain under the cap so that Klingbergs contract is more manageable.

 

[Oilers]

what a journeyman, Derek’s been good for us.

Really hope he clears and we get to see more of him this season

 

[BarDownBobo]

Not going to lie, I wanted to see both Philp and Ryan in a game together. But then I noticed they both played vs. NJ back in November.

Pretty cool to have two CIS players in the lineup together, let alone two former Golden Bears.

The Golden Bears of the 2010s actually featured 4 guys to get NHL minutes. I'm not sure how many other programs can claim that over their entire history, let alone from a single decade.

Ryan was there in 09-10
Luke Philp was there from '16 to '19 and got 3 games with CHI
Noah was there in 19-20
as was Matt Berlin who got a few min as the Oilers' EBUG a few years back.

There’s more. Zach Sawchenko got into 7 games with the Sharks a few years ago after spending 17/18 and 18/19 with the Golden Bears. Definitely the model USports program, I hope the NCAA rule changes don’t sewer them too much.

On topic, really hope Ryan clears cuz he’s got a role as the 14th forward come playoff time. Great to have around and nice versatility should injuries hit. But at this time it’s the right move to ride with Philp and see what he can do. And no chance I’d be waiving Kapanen(who would probably next on the block) to keep Ryan around personally.

 

[TB12]

There’s more. Zach Sawchenko got into 7 games with the Sharks a few years ago after spending 17/18 and 18/19 with the Golden Bears. Definitely the model USports program, I hope the NCAA rule changes don’t sewer them too much.

Off topic, but the NCAA rules are going to have a massive impact. Heard half the team from this year will not be returning next year and have offers to the States. Obvs it's all just conjecture/rumours right now but there will likely be a massive exodus from a program as good as the Bears.

On topic, Ryan is a great dude and just an incredible story. Almost retiring after a year or 2 of pro to play so many seasons in the NHL is absolutely incredible and couldn't happen to a better guy.

 

[oXo Cube]

If I never had to watch Josh Brown play hockey ever again it would still be too soon.

Ryan is a good guy but this had to happen for him too. Liability at this stage and a waste of valuable cap space.

 

[timekeep]

Derek Ryan should issue a statement like Spezza did in his final season - I want to play in Edmonton to finish my career. If anyone claims me, I'm retiring on the spot.

I'm sure he doesn't get claimed, but I'm sure he wants to collect his last few checks.

 

[russ99]

I don't agree with Ryan on waivers. He's the ideal extra forward. He's also 60% in the dot

A couple of months in the AHL may help him get his game back. He's been pretty bad this year and I'm someone who values own zone start faceoff centers.

I'd think a 4th line defensive center who can handle PK and own zone starts is on the trade deadline shopping list.

Philp may be a better player than he's looked so far at the NHL level but we've already been down the path setting rookies up for failure in tough minutes in the postseason.

 

[Little Fury]

now do Janmark.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

now do Janmark.

I mean no.

 

[Little Fury]

I mean no.

He's a bad fourth liner.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

He's a bad fourth liner.

Is he? I don't know his performance backs that up.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

Good good, Ryan still part of the organization.

 

[MessierII]

He's a bad fourth liner.

No he isn’t

 

[K1984]

No he isn’t

"He's not big, doesn't fight, and isn't scoring 20+ goals!!!" post incoming.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

No he isn’t

Like I understand this last year, he was rough last season, but he's been quite good this year.

If the concern is fighting, he does that, or playing center, he shouldn't do that and the team is aware of that.

 

[bone]

A couple of months in the AHL may help him get his game back. He's been pretty bad this year and I'm someone who values own zone start faceoff centers.

I'd think a 4th line defensive center who can handle PK and own zone starts is on the trade deadline shopping list.

Philp may be a better player than he's looked so far at the NHL level but we've already been down the path setting rookies up for failure in tough minutes in the postseason.

So far in the recent stint, I haven't been overly impressed by him, so I went to check his fancies, and found out that in 57 minutes of ice time this year, he's yet to be scored on.

xGA and such isn't quite as strong, but still is middle of the pack and not too far behind Ryan,

Small sample, for sure, but as long as he's not getting scored on, it's worth giving him a little rope between now and the deadline and decide from there.

 

[Arpeggio]

Like I understand this last year, he was rough last season, but he's been quite good this year.

If the concern is fighting, he does that, or playing center, he shouldn't do that and the team is aware of that.

The concern is the lack of goal scoring. I think he's bringing good effort and PKing, but this is now two seasons where he can't find the net. I'm not expecting the world from him, but somewhere around 10 goals would be nice. Especially if he's your third line winger.

 

[The Nuge]

That’s awesome he cleared. He’s a guy you still want around as an option in the playoffs

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The concern is the lack of goal scoring. I think he's bringing good effort and PKing, but this is now two seasons where he can't find the net. I'm not expecting the world from him, but somewhere around 10 goals would be nice. Especially if he's your third line winger.

Yeah the lack of scoring isn't great, just the 1 goal, but he has 14 pts this year, 2 more than all of last season.