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UofG said:
What will looking them up do? Will it say on nhl.com that it is impossible to pry a 1C from a team? I hate to repeat myself but if I must:

There are no absolutes!
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Sure, it COULD happen, but it's unlikely. And it's especially unlikely for Bozak, a prospect and a pick.......unless that prospect is a bluechipper and the pick is a top-10 pick.

We traded for Sundin many years ago, so it can happen. But it sure cost us a lot back then to get him. At the time, Wendel Clark WAS the Leafs, and we added Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and a 1st. There was also no salary cap in place back then.

For us to get a TRUE #1 Centre, we'd have to send a lot the other way, and have a ton of cap space.
 
If Bolland is looking for 5mil as rumours are saying he will be tough to keep.

I think we just need to accept Bozak is our number one center until something magical happens.

At 2.9 mil and as our home grown, ontario boy, high first round draft pick, you sort of want Naz to be the guy who can be number two at the very least . As much as I would love it I think expecting him to be a number one at this point is too much to ask.

If Naz is your number two and Bozak is your number 1 you need a guy about as good as them to be number three. This is where Bolland comes in nicely. Without Bolland things change greatly. Sure we want Gauthier to step in and be a third line center on a competitive team but I highly doubt Nonis will bank on that. Even number four for him is not a done deal. If Nonis overachieves and grabs us a Stasny then I'm sorry Naz but you are third line boy.

Number four is wide open. McClem had a bad year so we might get him at a bargain. Three years at 1.5 would see him in the mix but he can also be a useful winger. Maybe Gauthier but maybe a year on the Marlies second/third line or as an overager would be better. I'm not qualified to say.

If you are Nonis do you let Bolland walk in hopes of grabbing Stasny ? too early to say how things will shape up, we also have Holland and Mckegg chomping at the bit.
 
ACC1224 said:
You made this up though.
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Not at all. Many sentiments last year when Bozak hit his UFA STATUS that the leafs better re-sign him to make Kessel happy.

You're really trying to argue your way into a lather aren't you?
 
Holymakinaw said:
Sure, it COULD happen, but it's unlikely. And it's especially unlikely for Bozak, a prospect and a pick.......unless that prospect is a bluechipper and the pick is a top-10 pick.

We traded for Sundin many years ago, so it can happen. But it sure cost us a lot back then to get him. At the time, Wendel Clark WAS the Leafs, and we added Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and a 1st. There was also no salary cap in place back then.

For us to get a TRUE #1 Centre, we'd have to send a lot the other way, and have a ton of cap space.
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::gentleman's handshake::
 
Everyone keeps throwing these would be proposals of Bozak plus prospects. Of course that's not going to get it done. Why not propose Bozak, Gardiner, and Leivo? Or more if you have to. Someone will bite. I think many of you expect Burke- like fleecing trades to occur.
 
Oh. Well, when you said you wanted to trade Bozak for a #1 center, I assumed you meant somebody significantly better. Not somebody who scored less points in more games than Bozak over the last 3 seasons.

Yeah, you could probably trade Bozak and Rielly or a first rounder for a 30 year old Mike Richards averaging 45ish points a season.
 
Dangles McGavin said:
What if LA was looking for a bit of cap relief?

Mike Richards for Tyler Bozak + a decent prospect

People were thinking that Richards is in need of a change of scenery.
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Not much of an upgrade, I'd pass.
 
Joey Hoser said:
Oh. Well, when you said you wanted to trade Bozak for a #1 center, I assumed you meant somebody significantly better. Not somebody who scored less points in more games than Bozak over the last 3 seasons.

Yeah, you could probably trade Bozak and Rielly or a first rounder for a 30 year old Mike Richards averaging 45ish points a season.
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Looking strictly at numbers when comparing Bozak on a run-and-gun team with Phil vs. Richards on a very structured ‘buy-in’ system will obviously not tell you much.

ACC1224 said:
Not much of an upgrade, I'd pass.
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No, Richards is not a huge upgrade on Bozak, (hence Bozak + prospect and not Bozak ++) but he is definitely an upgrade. He also brings leadership, experience, better defensive play. The type of guy that leads by example. Bring in Richards and Mike Camalleri and you’ve got yourself a very good leadership core- both guys who play hard and lead by example. This team needs players with crazy desire to win and both Richards and Cammy have that.
 
Dangles McGavin said:
Looking strictly at numbers when comparing Bozak on a run-and-gun team with Phil vs. Richards on a very structured ‘buy-in’ system will obviously not tell you much.



No, Richards is not a huge upgrade on Bozak, (hence Bozak + prospect and not Bozak ++) but he is definitely an upgrade. He also brings leadership, experience, better defensive play. The type of guy that leads by example. Bring in Richards and Mike Camalleri and you’ve got yourself a very good leadership core- both guys who play hard and lead by example. This team needs players with crazy desire to win and both Richards and Cammy have that.
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If there wasn't a cap I wouldn't mind. I don't see him as a guy you want to be saddled with long term.

IMO, the biggest need is a partner for Phanuef. while an upgrade on Bozak would be nice it's not a necessity.

I agree they need to bring in some players with a better compete level, Richards isn't it for me.
 
Dangles McGavin said:
Looking strictly at numbers when comparing Bozak on a run-and-gun team with Phil vs. Richards on a very structured ‘buy-in’ system will obviously not tell you much.



No, Richards is not a huge upgrade on Bozak, (hence Bozak + prospect and not Bozak ++) but he is definitely an upgrade. He also brings leadership, experience, better defensive play. The type of guy that leads by example. Bring in Richards and Mike Camalleri and you’ve got yourself a very good leadership core- both guys who play hard and lead by example. This team needs players with crazy desire to win and both Richards and Cammy have that.
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Agreed. I don't know why hockey fans are ripping Richards. The guy was an Olympian 4 years ago, and now he's not good to play on the top line of this (crappy) team? I never saw Richards as a PPG producer even though he did have an 80 point season with Philly. He's just an amazing well rounded leader that the buds would kill to have.
 
UofG said:
Agreed. I don't know why hockey fans are ripping Richards.
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Nobody ripped him. I pointed out that Bozak produced more over recent seasons and ACC said he wasn't much of a upgrade. That's it. You made up the rest.
 
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Holymakinaw said:
Are there teams out there right now that as desperate to unload their #1 Centre for our scraps?

Sure would be nice, huh?

I might not hold my breath.
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One possible exception, although many will debate his 1C centre ability, is Kesler.

Id like to see that happen. Kesler and Bolland as 1 and 2 C respectively would make a lot of people not sporting a blue and white jersey rather miserable.
 
It all depends on the return. But I don't see Bozak being traded.

If anything the decision would be if you re-sign Bolland, do you trade Kadri to upgrade somewhere else?
 
Bozak should be moved. He most likely just saw a career year, that is entirely attributed to the Kessel/JVR tandem and he could bring in a pretty good haul. I'd ideally move him at the draft. I don't think he's an awful player, and his contract isn't a burden, but he's a borderline top six player, and could be used as an important asset to get this team something of real value.

UofG said:
Agreed. I don't know why hockey fans are ripping Richards. The guy was an Olympian 4 years ago, and now he's not good to play on the top line of this (crappy) team? I never saw Richards as a PPG producer even though he did have an 80 point season with Philly. He's just an amazing well rounded leader that the buds would kill to have.
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Because Richard's is clearly in the decline: both psychically and production wise, and I don't see him significantly rebounding. I don't think getting Richard's would be the absolute worst thing in the world, but his contract is going to be a major burden in a few years, and unless we can offload Clarkson soon, I don't want this team investing significantly in sinkholes.

Pension Plan Puppets have a really good write up about the issues surrounding him:
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/5/19/5694836/off-season-options-mike-richards
 
Menzinger said:
Bozak should be moved. He most likely just saw a career year, that is entirely attributed to the Kessel/JVR tandem and he could bring in a pretty good haul. I'd ideally move him at the draft. I don't think he's an awful player, and his contract isn't a burden, but he's a borderline top six player, and could be used as an important asset to get this team something of real value.



Because Richard's is clearly in the decline: both psychically and production wise, and I don't see him significantly rebounding. I don't think getting Richard's would be the absolute worst thing in the world, but his contract is going to be a major burden in a few years, and unless we can offload Clarkson soon, I don't want this team investing significantly in sinkholes.

Pension Plan Puppets have a really good write up about the issues surrounding him:
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2014/5/19/5694836/off-season-options-mike-richards
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I think Richards getting out of the West would help though. It's a little different style and the East is weaker on average.
 
Trapper said:
I think Richards getting out of the West would help though. It's a little different style and the East is weaker on average.
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If the price is Bozak+Biggs for example(richards value is low right now) I definitely make that deal.

Richards is a solid top 6 centre and will try hard on his shifts, hes a solid leader. He'd probably bounce back too with more minutes and bigger role as well as a change of scenery.
 
Teams almost never trade #1Cs. Our team NEEDS a major upgrade down the middle. If we cant get a proven commodity, then we should be rolling the dice going after unproven ones, because until we add that major piece, we simply won't be contenders.

Personally I would be aggressively trying to trade up in the draft or make a trade straight up for a high pick. Adding a player like Reinhart, Bennett, or even Draisaitl would add a major upgrade down the middle for us (at least in terms of potential). Theyre all significantly better than Kadri was at that age both offensively and defensively.
 
rdawg1234 said:
If the price is Bozak+Biggs for example(richards value is low right now) I definitely make that deal.

Richards is a solid top 6 centre and will try hard on his shifts, hes a solid leader. He'd probably bounce back too with more minutes and bigger role as well as a change of scenery.
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I would swap Lupul if they want.
 
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