Value of: Defensemen K'Andre Miller and Ryan Lindgren

[Drumman44]

Maybe I’m just some sort of complete idiot but why would the rangers trade three NHL Defenseman in season when they are currently in a playoff spot? They did this before to rebuild but they have a playoff caliber roster right now

 

[koteka]

Very easy no for Columbus

I am a Columbus fan, and I would do that trade. I think it is fair to both sides.

 

[Mrfenn92]

I am a Columbus fan, and I would do that trade. I think it is fair to both sides.

Ok

 

[CommaSynapse]

Lindy is blocking Mancini

How do you figure that? Mancini is RD. At this point, with Trouba gone, the only person blocking Mancini would be Mancini.

Vaaks is primarily LD, and I imagine that leaves the option open to move Lindgren depending upon where the Rangers are closer to the deadline.

 

[TGWL]

Mancini has shown some NHL potential. He's not there yet for a consistent, every game player. Fans are over reacting when he's not in the lineup and it's mostly do because the on-ice product of the defensemen in the lineup aren't playing well. It's like "I'd rather watch mistakes from a potential future option than continuing to watch these NHL players shit in their own zone all game."

 

[bernmeister]

How exactly is Lindgren blocking Mancini when they're both in the lineup and for the foreseeable future right now? And that the one plays the left side because he's a left shot and the other plays pretty much on the right side because he's a right shot? The reason they're both playing right now is they're both among our top 6 defenseman. Maybe Vaakanainen when he's ready to return pushes Mancini to the sideline but there again you have another left shot.

Really I don't get where you're going here Bern. And FWIW we're going to need more experienced NHL defensemen than we have now if this team does right the ship and heads for the playoffs. Ruhwedel, Mackey, Harpur and Fitzgerald all have NHL experience but we're going to need something better. They're all borderline emergency defensemen.

IMO you've always been a bit trade happy and always ready to blow up everything to chase after prospects and picks and it's not realistic when you have somewhat realistic hopes to make noise in the postseason. Sure lots of things have to break right but with the Trouba move the Rangers look very much like they've thrown out some ballast to right their ship. They're not ready to jump in the lifeboats or at least not yet.

Vaak returning should push Lindy instead of Mancini, but the crazy pref for vets is a risk that doesn't happen

I would do what I said in 2025 at the trade thread
would not self rent Lindy, get value
consider depending on currency, a deal for Broberg for prospect Fs
this way we add D depth but are adding a potential build piece

as to "you've always been a bit trade happy and always ready to blow up everything to chase after prospects and picks"
I am guilty as charged, BUT ...

as to "it's not realistic when you have somewhat realistic hopes to make noise in the postseason"
I disagree.
First, track record PROVES going the way we did was NOT successful, so by def, doing more of the same asking for dif results invites insanity
Second, if Rs do it my way and give guys like Rempe and Mancini NHL experience, not more of the same in the A, and accept the growing pains, the faster they do, the faster these guys will be even more up to snuff, as much as any veteran

How do you figure that? Mancini is RD. At this point, with Trouba gone, the only person blocking Mancini would be Mancini.

Vaaks is primarily LD, and I imagine that leaves the option open to move Lindgren depending upon where the Rangers are closer to the deadline.

again, unhealthy preference to self rent vet over youth = evident track record
and it is wrong

Mancini has shown some NHL potential. He's not there yet for a consistent, every game player. Fans are over reacting when he's not in the lineup and it's mostly do because the on-ice product of the defensemen in the lineup aren't playing well. It's like "I'd rather watch mistakes from a potential future option than continuing to watch these NHL players shit in their own zone all game."

Could Man-meister benefit from more reps? Not so much in the A as here.
Youth WILL be served
just play da kids

 

[n8]

Lindgren could fetch a late 1st / early 2nd (Flyers?) plus mid-round pick if he is traded as rental at the trade deadline, which seems more logical than trading him now.

Miller could fetch a pretty decent return for us. Don't see him being moved this season. Maybe in the summer when he is an RFA but not now.

Charlie Lindgren? Agree.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

I am a Columbus fan, and I would do that trade. I think it is fair to both sides.

the CBJ pick makes it an overpay given that he's struggling and the rangers are looking to shake things up.

i'd love to add miller to the jackets, though. here are some frameworks that i think work better:

1. sillinger for miller straight up, or sillinger + harris for miller + kakko
   • sillinger:
     • is young (21)
     • is cheap ($2.25m aav)
     • is productive (scoring at a ~57p pace without any pp points)
     • is versatile (center/wing, up and down the lineup this year)
     • is developing well (playing almost 18 min a night this year)
   • miller:
     • fills a huge hole for CBJ (rush defense)
     • has attributes waddell + evason love in defensemen (size + skating)
     • fits our timeline (young, RFA age)
2. provorov retained + extended for miller straight up
   • provorov's been playing like a low-end top pair guy this year
   • nyr gets a veteran who plays huge minutes, is extremely durable/tough, and can play any role
3. MIN pick + cheap depth pieces (ex: christiansen and danforth) for miller
   • NYR likely flips the pick at the deadline
   • CBJ recoups the pick via a provorov trade elsewhere

feels like #2 is the most sensible option, but #1 could lead to a fun scenario where the jackets can flip multiple picks for a big-name forward.

also #2 feels like an in-season move while #1 and #3 feel like summer trades.

 

[eco's bones]

Vaak returning should push Lindy instead of Mancini, but the crazy pref for vets is a risk that doesn't happen

I would do what I said in 2025 at the trade thread
would not self rent Lindy, get value
consider depending on currency, a deal for Broberg for prospect Fs
this way we add D depth but are adding a potential build piece

as to "you've always been a bit trade happy and always ready to blow up everything to chase after prospects and picks"
I am guilty as charged, BUT ...

as to "it's not realistic when you have somewhat realistic hopes to make noise in the postseason"
I disagree.
First, track record PROVES going the way we did was NOT successful, so by def, doing more of the same asking for dif results invites insanity
Second, if Rs do it my way and give guys like Rempe and Mancini NHL experience, not more of the same in the A, and accept the growing pains, the faster they do, the faster these guys will be even more up to snuff, as much as any veteran



again, unhealthy preference to self rent vet over youth = evident track record
and it is wrong



Could Man-meister benefit from more reps? Not so much in the A as here.
Youth WILL be served
just play da kids

FWIW Lindgren is a vet but he's hardly an older vet. He's 26.....there are 3 years and 9 months separating him and Mancini in age. As well Ryan will be unrestricted at the end of this year and probably cut loose.

And again he is not blocking Mancini. If there was a player who was blocking Mancini that player now plays for the Ducks. And the player now playing for the Ducks who was blocking Mancini was a right shot defender who played the right side like Mancini. As of now Victor is in our top 6 as the 3RD. What is the problem? He's on the team already and he's playing at RD like he should. You want to push out a player you don't like on LD to put a first year pro RD in his place. Why? No one's arguing for keeping Lindgren or at least past this year and if a good LD replacement can be found for him then wonderful....move him out then.

And again unless the Rangers are out of the picture for the playoffs by the time the trade deadline comes along they're not going to trade Lindgren for futures. If they trade him at all they'll trade him (maybe in a package) for an upgrade at the position unless they've already worked out some other deal for his replacement. The right shot Mancini is not likely at all to walk into a top 4 left defense spot and IMO it's not a good idea.....it's a bad idea. Prepare yourself Bern for another possibility....there's also a decent chance they won't trade Lindgren at all.....that he'll go into unrestricted free agency and we won't get anything back for him. Gadzooks like throwing money away. But it happens at times of necessity....that if you need the player for the postseason you keep him even if you lose him later for nothing.

 

[bernmeister]

FWIW Lindgren is a vet but he's hardly an older vet. He's 26.....there are 3 years and 9 months separating him and Mancini in age. As well Ryan will be unrestricted at the end of this year and probably cut loose.

And again he is not blocking Mancini. If there was a player who was blocking Mancini that player now plays for the Ducks. And the player now playing for the Ducks who was blocking Mancini was a right shot defender who played the right side like Mancini. As of now Victor is in our top 6 as the 3RD. What is the problem? He's on the team already and he's playing at RD like he should. You want to push out a player you don't like on LD to put a first year pro RD in his place. Why? No one's arguing for keeping Lindgren or at least past this year and if a good LD replacement can be found for him then wonderful....move him out then.

And again unless the Rangers are out of the picture for the playoffs by the time the trade deadline comes along they're not going to trade Lindgren for futures. If they trade him at all they'll trade him (maybe in a package) for an upgrade at the position unless they've already worked out some other deal for his replacement. The right shot Mancini is not likely at all to walk into a top 4 left defense spot and IMO it's not a good idea.....it's a bad idea. Prepare yourself Bern for another possibility....there's also a decent chance they won't trade Lindgren at all.....that he'll go into unrestricted free agency and we won't get anything back for him. Gadzooks like throwing money away. But it happens at times of necessity....that if you need the player for the postseason you keep him even if you lose him later for nothing.

you may be right as to how they roll
but again, I may be proven correct that would be a mistake