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Value of: Defensemen K'Andre Miller and Ryan Lindgren

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Lindgren can still be tough. He's just not a 1 LD and unfortunately, as long as he's on our team, he will remain playing with his long time partner Adam Fox. I think he can still be a valuable 3rd pairing LD getting more favorable matchups, less ice time, and easier assignments. He's your typical serviceable slowish d-man. I honestly think Lindgren makes fewer mistakes the Miller does this season. He'll be a good rental. Probably gets a 4th. A smidge bit more if a team is looking to get retention.

The pro on Miller is young, cost controlled, is only on his RFA bridge, skates very well, very athletic, good size, can really catch up to opponents when chasing down pucks, has good reach. Cons are he doesn't use his size much. He'll battle in corners and can effectively pin players but he shies away from checks. I think he's a bit psychologically fragile. That Trouba must have rubbed off on him and had "unfortunate" affects on his play". Rangers do have a bit of that "toxic workplace" that I don't think his personality is suited for. Like if Mark Messier was on the team, he'd probably get bullied off the team.
The good news is if he joins the right team with the right culture, he could turn into an absolute beast. Ranger's team culture is just fukced right now. Similar how Mikko Nikolla went to Flordia from the Rangers and became really nasty, I think K'Andre could have a similar development arc should he land on the right team with the right coach. I think he'd do terribly under a coach like Torts or Babcock if that garbage still had a job. He's better with softer coaches like he was under Gallant. He'd do well with Maurice, Cooper, or Montgomery. 30 points last season. 43 points the season before. He should be worth a mid-late 1st (i.e. his draft position) or a similar young player/prospect that would similarly benefit from a change of scenery.
 
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Lindgren could fetch a late 1st / early 2nd (Flyers?) plus mid-round pick if he is traded as rental at the trade deadline, which seems more logical than trading him now.

Miller could fetch a pretty decent return for us. Don't see him being moved this season. Maybe in the summer when he is an RFA but not now.
 
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Miller won’t go but he’s also not playing great so he’s getting resigned for less unless he starts showing up

Lindgren a 2nd and 3rd but they need to flip that for a replacement

Matheson , Ferraro , Olesiak type of move
 
Lindgren will get moved, Kreider and Miller won't imo. I don't think kakko should go anywhere and I also think he should remain at center.
 
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LiveLongandProspal said:
I think both of them are next to go.


So what can you offer us for one or both?
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Lindgren yes
Miller no

depending on how healthy he is and how desperate [if at all] a suitor is due to their own injury situation, THE MOST Lindy gets now, MAYBE is
2 2nds
for
Lindy + 2 3rds

also whether retained or not is a factor

I would say more likely is
Lindgren + Vesey
for
pick and cap dump around 3m-ish
 
bernmeister said:
with exception of Kreider, repurpose vets into youth

KAM is not actually old
Lindgren technically is not but has lots of cumulative wear and tear
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What do you want for Zac Jones, Bern.
 
Don't think the Rangers will trade Miller and if they do he won't come cheap. Whoever they would deal him to is going to give up something that's going to hurt. If the Rangers do get their season back on track I think it's not very likely they trade Lindgren at or before the deadline or at least not for futures. No team tries to go into the playoffs shorting itself on defensemen. If they are going into the playoffs and they do move Lindgren it will be to upgrade the position right then.

In Rangers land these days there are a lot of deflated fans but it's a long season and a little too early for Drury, the coaching staff etc. to throw in the towel. It doesn't mean they're not concerned but moving Trouba gives them space to make other moves if the team doesn't turn around soon. They're going to try to get back on track is what that move tells me....not that they've given up hope which is the wrong read that many Rangers fans are making now.
 
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rt said:
Crouse, Valimaki and a ‘26 2nd for Lindgren and a ‘25 1st?
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a fair offer but we are holding on to our 2025 1st

any interest other than only Lindgren?
You want an ask for just him, or, if a package, who else?

eco's bones said:
Don't think the Rangers will trade Miller and if they do he won't come cheap. Whoever they would deal him to is going to give up something that's going to hurt. If the Rangers do get their season back on track I think it's not very likely they trade Lindgren at or before the deadline or at least not for futures. No team tries to go into the playoffs shorting itself on defensemen. If they are going into the playoffs and they do move Lindgren it will be to upgrade the position right then.

In Rangers land these days there are a lot of deflated fans but it's a long season and a little too early for Drury, the coaching staff etc. to throw in the towel. It doesn't mean they're not concerned but moving Trouba gives them space to make other moves if the team doesn't turn around soon. They're going to try to get back on track is what that move tells me....not that they've given up hope which is the wrong read that many Rangers fans are making now.
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agree on Miller
Lindy is blocking Mancini
any acceptable value, deal now
 
Coffee said:
Islanders and Canucks
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I want to break up Zib ad Kreider, keep the latter
Zib has ability but is in a funk
won't waive except plausible to think he considers VAN/LA or NYI/NJD who are close enough

Isles
Pageau is toast 2 yrs left 5 per
Will eat half of Mika's 8.5 = 4.25 so you get 2 yrs .75 cap relief
thereafter, if nec you retain 1.5-ish and deal him to a cap floor club
in this scenario, I include Jones for free
and will do a medium prospect add

something like that

if no package, then Jones has positive value, would be like a 2nd + something nice, a wince, but not too painful to swallow


VAN
start w/deal I said in post 2025 at Rangers trade thread
similar
take zib at half which helps w/reduced F depth until JTM returns
then I think I said
Jones, Vesey, Robertson
for
Raty, Forbort, Juulsen

something like that

if no to that package
then
Jones for Raty as a base
small add for Juulsen
 
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Don't see a realistic scenario where they both get moved to the same team. As frustrating as Miller has been, he's not being traded this season. He's still an RFA. The more likely approach is his contract demands leave NYR putting him on the market in the off-season, rather than this trade deadline.

Rangers just traded Trouba. If anything, I think they would be looking to bring in another Dman rather than trade Lindgren. The organization loves him even though the fans don't want him anymore. If they get on another losing streak I can see him moved, although I think Drury will aim to remove a forward this time.

Lindgren's value is dependent on a contending him with an injured back-end.
 
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bernmeister said:
a fair offer but we are holding on to our 2025 1st

any interest other than only Lindgren?
You want an ask for just him, or, if a package, who else?


agree on Miller
Lindy is blocking Mancini
any acceptable value, deal now
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How exactly is Lindgren blocking Mancini when they're both in the lineup and for the foreseeable future right now? And that the one plays the left side because he's a left shot and the other plays pretty much on the right side because he's a right shot? The reason they're both playing right now is they're both among our top 6 defenseman. Maybe Vaakanainen when he's ready to return pushes Mancini to the sideline but there again you have another left shot.

Really I don't get where you're going here Bern. And FWIW we're going to need more experienced NHL defensemen than we have now if this team does right the ship and heads for the playoffs. Ruhwedel, Mackey, Harpur and Fitzgerald all have NHL experience but we're going to need something better. They're all borderline emergency defensemen.

IMO you've always been a bit trade happy and always ready to blow up everything to chase after prospects and picks and it's not realistic when you have somewhat realistic hopes to make noise in the postseason. Sure lots of things have to break right but with the Trouba move the Rangers look very much like they've thrown out some ballast to right their ship. They're not ready to jump in the lifeboats or at least not yet.
 
CBJ 2025 1st (top 3 protected)
Minnesota 2025 1st or Ivan Provorov with retention ($2 million cap hit)
Corson Ceulemans or Samuel Knazko

for an extended Miller

Why the Jackets do it - they need a big bodied veteran D entering his prime

Why the Rangers do it - a probably 5-10th overall pick gives them a cost controlled player for years, retained Provorov is cheaper than Miller or additional trade piece for deadline, depth D prospect
 
koteka said:
CBJ 2025 1st (top 3 protected)
Minnesota 2025 1st or Ivan Provorov with retention ($2 million cap hit)
Corson Ceulemans or Samuel Knazko

for an extended Miller

Why the Jackets do it - they need a big bodied veteran D entering his prime

Why the Rangers do it - a probably 5-10th overall pick gives them a cost controlled player for years, retained Provorov is cheaper than Miller or additional trade piece for deadline, depth D prospect
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Very easy no for Columbus
 
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koteka said:
CBJ 2025 1st (top 3 protected)
Minnesota 2025 1st or Ivan Provorov with retention ($2 million cap hit)
Corson Ceulemans or Samuel Knazko

for an extended Miller

Why the Jackets do it - they need a big bodied veteran D entering his prime

Why the Rangers do it - a probably 5-10th overall pick gives them a cost controlled player for years, retained Provorov is cheaper than Miller or additional trade piece for deadline, depth D prospect
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That's a deal from Rangers pov
 
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