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This! I couldn't figure out how to move it into my post on the Coyotes v Stars game thread.
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This! I couldn't figure out how to move it into my post on the Coyotes v Stars game thread.
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He's been no worse defensively than Michael Stone. Probably Schlemko, too. And his offensive upside surpasses them both by far.
CC96
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Same page. I also remember Yandle as being far more risky as a young defenseman than I've seen from Rundblad, and Tipp still played him. Seems DR is under the microscope. I don't get it.
drgregg
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I just can't shake the feeling that something is going on in that locker room with regards to Rundblad. He has NOT gotten a good look in game situations this season, it makes no sense. Typically he has sat nearly a month between starts this year, that is not an honest look and something that could be properly evaluated. He played almost 22 minutes against Columbus Jan 2, a shutout game in which his only sin that counted on the scoresheet was a delay of game penalty which the BJ's scored on the ensuing pp. Other players on the team, made clear mistakes that led to Columbus goals. He then sat for nearly three weeks until being inserted in another loss, this time against Calgary. He did not affect the outcome of the game there in any way. He has sat ever since.
That is a total joke. I could see it if the team was on a tear and Tip didn't want to mess with a good thing. Or if the defence was clicking on all cylinders and there was simply no room for him to play. We have all watched the games, we know that this is far from the case. I have no idea what is actually going on, but it is frustrating to watch as a fan.
That being said, do I believe that Rundblad is what this team needs to go to the next level and that playing him more regularly will vault the Coyotes up the standings; of course not. However, this is terrible asset management and makes no sense. The fact that fans here are legitimately considering the wisdom of dumping him for a 2nd shows just how far this circus has been allowed to go on.
That is a total joke. I could see it if the team was on a tear and Tip didn't want to mess with a good thing. Or if the defence was clicking on all cylinders and there was simply no room for him to play. We have all watched the games, we know that this is far from the case. I have no idea what is actually going on, but it is frustrating to watch as a fan.
That being said, do I believe that Rundblad is what this team needs to go to the next level and that playing him more regularly will vault the Coyotes up the standings; of course not. However, this is terrible asset management and makes no sense. The fact that fans here are legitimately considering the wisdom of dumping him for a 2nd shows just how far this circus has been allowed to go on.
RR
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I think Rundblad is stuck because management expected our defense would be much stronger this year. Klesla missed time and then lost his game; Morris and Z have both missed time; and Stone and Schlemko have regressed. Unless he can be paired with a defensive defenseman, or we are out of the playoffs, I don't see Tip giving Rundblad much of a chance. I still think this kid is going to be a stud PMD somewhere, just not here.
Grimes
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I also have no idea why he hasn't gotten a look as a forward. Burns has excelled in this position. He seems like the perfect fit for the Czechs or a Rundblad - Ribs - Doan line.
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That's really rare. Burns is an exception because he was drafted as a forward, switched to defense, and then switched back. He's also both stronger and more mobile than Rundblad, which allows him to recover from positional mistakes more easily.
Grimes
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If Tip thought he would help the team win, he would play him. Why would he not? Is he secretly in the dog house? As for poor asset management, Runblad is under contract through next year. There is no need to play him and/or show case him this year. The coyotes can be patient and trade him this summer or play him next year, keep him or trade him then. No need to sell low...
Grimes
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Exactly. They also may of had more question marks about Stone and Schlemko and evaluating their skillsets. Which they have gotten a good look at both this year. They also now know that Murphy can hang, which may help them make a decision about Runblad or Gormely going forward.
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Not only Burns but Dustin Byfluglien did it for the hawks and I think he is now doing in it in the peg. I think it would be worth a shot. Why not try it out in a practice and see.
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Byfuglien is another guy was drafted as a forward. He's also not as swift as Burns, but he makes up for it with his size and physicality.
People throw this idea out whenever an offensively gifted but defensively deficient defenseman struggles to crack a lineup. It's happened, but it's rare.
PHX FireBirds18
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Please, enough with the Rundblad to forward suggestions. It's downright silly. The approach to the game is vastly different. Just because he has a sick offensive skill set doesn't mean it will translate. You have to take grinding into consideration and not to mention defensive positioning as a forward. He wouldn't get anymore playing time on forward than he would on D. I've kind of lost hope for him this season and kind of just wish he comes back next year on forces his way onto the team. Oh wait he already did that... Who knows how this is going to turn out. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he demands a trade at some point, and I would have a hard time blaming him. I'm starting to lean towards XX's opinion of Tippet. We're going to always be stuck in mediocrity if we can't develop high level offensive players. How he handles Domi will be the telling part.
Tripod
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I assume your opinion is based on the stats like Corsi that you're typically referencing?
Coyotes lack talent and Tippet refuses to work with one of the most talented player in the team. It's disaster.
It's clear and obvious that Tippet is not great coach. He is good manager. He can assemble a squad to win "next game" (or next segment of his own sheet) but not that far.
And his trap system with all the dumps and board-battles not need talent. He easily put Nolan Yonkman in but dont give any chance to youngster.
I feels bad for Max Goncharov... He spent all 3 years in minors and was not awarded by one NHL game. We survived with Yonkman, we survived with "all time MVP" Garret Stafford. Play Gonch?.. Oh my, he's unproven....
And now i feels bad for Runblad. Tippet has no intensions to work with him. Give Dave pair of Yonkman and Stafford and he would be absolutely happy.
And thats it. With "trap and dumps board-battles" system we can outwork leaders like Penguins or Hawks but can't win games with Buffalo and Dallas because Buffalo and Dallas match (if not exceed) our work-ethic. We must outplay (not outwork) those teams but to do this we lack talent.
Tippet was absolute need in bankruptcy situation, but now - not so much. In longterm prospective budget team like Coyotes cant afford the Manager, eager to work only with ready players. We need a Coach.
It's clear and obvious that Tippet is not great coach. He is good manager. He can assemble a squad to win "next game" (or next segment of his own sheet) but not that far.
And his trap system with all the dumps and board-battles not need talent. He easily put Nolan Yonkman in but dont give any chance to youngster.
I feels bad for Max Goncharov... He spent all 3 years in minors and was not awarded by one NHL game. We survived with Yonkman, we survived with "all time MVP" Garret Stafford. Play Gonch?.. Oh my, he's unproven....
And now i feels bad for Runblad. Tippet has no intensions to work with him. Give Dave pair of Yonkman and Stafford and he would be absolutely happy.
And thats it. With "trap and dumps board-battles" system we can outwork leaders like Penguins or Hawks but can't win games with Buffalo and Dallas because Buffalo and Dallas match (if not exceed) our work-ethic. We must outplay (not outwork) those teams but to do this we lack talent.
Tippet was absolute need in bankruptcy situation, but now - not so much. In longterm prospective budget team like Coyotes cant afford the Manager, eager to work only with ready players. We need a Coach.
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Can you please direct me to a site which explains the advanced metrics you refer to? Thanks.
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I use these sites most frequently:
http://behindthenet.ca/
http://www.extraskater.com/
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/
I like HARD/HARO because it lines up nicely with real world results and expectations. It basically says that Michael Stone sucks.
Yandle is sub par defensively but he brings some offense to compensate, Stone doesn't.I can't really see any justification for Stone starting over Rundblad. Unless the coaching staff cares a lot of about hits and weight. Stone may hit a lot but it comes at a price (he's -13, 2nd worst on the team).
Also interesting to see that 5 on 5, Shane Doan sort of creates his own offense. Stats also say Chipchura is worthless and that Klinkhammer should be playing more. Oh, and that Halpern isn't worth it for just faceoffs.
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I like HARD/HARO because it lines up nicely with real world results and expectations. It basically says that Michael Stone sucks.
I can't really see any justification for Stone starting over Rundblad. Unless the coaching staff cares a lot of about hits and weight. Stone may hit a lot but it comes at a price (he's -13, 2nd worst on the team).
Also interesting to see that 5 on 5, Shane Doan sort of creates his own offense. Stats also say Chipchura is worthless and that Klinkhammer should be playing more. Oh, and that Halpern isn't worth it for just faceoffs.
The best explanation I've come up with for Stone is that he and Rundblad are on a similar level now (which is probably fair, as whoever you think is better today is probably only marginally so) but that Stone has much higher potential, either in the absolute or within a role they've carved out for him on the team going forward. To that end, they may be on to something: Stone isn't much of a physical presence today, but he has the potential to be a bruiser in a way that no other defenseman currently in the system could be.
DesertDawg
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These stats are based on individual perfomances. But Individual performance is the result of linesmate and the opposition. Klinkhammer tells me he plays with better (or better yet, more responsible) linesmates, while Chipchura's stats screams at me that he needs better linesmate. Same can be said for defensive pairings...I like HARD/HARO because it lines up nicely with real world results and expectations. It basically says that Michael Stone sucks.
I can't really see any justification for Stone starting over Rundblad. Unless the coaching staff cares a lot of about hits and weight. Stone may hit a lot but it comes at a price (he's -13, 2nd worst on the team).
Also interesting to see that 5 on 5, Shane Doan sort of creates his own offense. Stats also say Chipchura is worthless and that Klinkhammer should be playing more. Oh, and that Halpern isn't worth it for just faceoffs.
The 4th line doesn't exist under Tippett this year. He uses it as a place to store his roleplayers. When the 4th line is Biz - Halpern - Chip, it's a total mess. The Hawks roll four lines. Not a single player had under ten minutes when they played us except Bollig. Dallas was even more balanced, with everyone pretty much above 13 minutes a piece. Chip, Kennedy, and Klink all were under ten minutes.
Tippett crutches hard on key forwards and players he likes. It ends up making the team less balanced, and also tired later in the season. When those key guys cool off (as Vrbata has) then it's hard to compete.
A solid, dependable bottom 6 is key to competing in this league. During our WCF run, the only player who averaged under ten minutes was Biz.
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