Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Miller Time]

If you don't think Bustbacher is amazing and is going to be amazing, you don't understand hockey, sir.

Signed, Miller Time.

Fyi, I ain't paying rent for occupying that tiny space.

Bad takes, trolling, hypocrisy, dishonesty... I clearly bring out the best in your posting lol

What happened to talking about hockey or RB? Wasn't that what you said you wanted?

Care to share some more hot takes and poorly grounded assessments about RB?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Last year, many posters couldn't understand or see the very obvious signs of performance progression (and limitations) of one of our top prospects. They relied heavily on the available data about his performance and shallow visual assessments of his play to feed a strong conviction that he was "being rushed", "had no or low hockey IQ", "was a terrible pick", "was/would be a bust".

This despite the experts closest to his progression and performance articulating very clearly what they saw, and some fans around here observing and articulating those same things.

Sadly, we're seeing glimpses of the same thing at play. RB, by his play, is demonstrating quite clearly "what they saw & see in him"... But one has to know what they are looking at and how to assess it, to be able to see those attributes. If not, like with Slaf last year, the superficial assessments backed by small data sets that are ultimately meaningless without the ability to contextualize them appropriately, drive hot takes and, poor assessments.

I would argue that Slafkovsky was actually rushed, but that we have no need to rush Reinbacher so it isn't that important.

Slaf's rookie year he was pointless in his last 15 games before getting shut down for injury, getting rocked multiple times in those games. Then to start his sophomore season he had 1 assist in the first 10 games, 3 points in his first 17 games, and for the most part he was playing timid and had noticeably bad timing.

Slaf's bump in production came from an increase in ice time and promotion to the top line around late-November/early-December. Suzuki and Matheson had career years, which helped his production, but he proved he wasn't a passenger. As the season went on we all saw Slafkovsky's confidence increase as he realized he could be a force on that line. He went from being scared to make a mistake to being the one who drove the play.

Could he have figured it out sooner in the AHL? I guess we will never know, but I wouldn't bash anyone for questioning the development strategy early on last season.

 

[Miller Time]

I would argue that Slafkovsky was actually rushed, but that we have no need to rush Reinbacher so it isn't that important.

Disagree on Slaf.
Also dont think this hockey ops department will "rush" any prospect to fill a perceived need.

Slaf's rookie year he was pointless in his last 15 games before getting shut down for injury, getting rocked multiple times in those games. Then to start his sophomore season he had 1 assist in the first 10 games, 3 points in his first 17 games, and for the most part he was playing timid and had noticeably bad timing.

This is an example of confusing data points with making a quality/sound assessment.

Player development and progression is not about points. Slaf could've easily been producing more points if he was not being asked to focus on specific areas of technical and tactical development. What your describing is the outcome of the very predictable "dip" in performance output when a young athlete is being coached to improve areas of their game vs being allowed to go out and do whatever works.

Remember Galch or Yakupov? Two good examples of what happens when a highly skilled youth is allowed to rely on what got them to the show, rather than focus on what will allow them to reach the full height of their potential. (A process that requires both strong support and strong internal commitment... Elements Slaf has in spades, and by all indications this far, RB as well).

Slaf's bump in production came from an increase in ice time and promotion to the top line around late-November/early-December. Suzuki and Matheson had career years, which helped his production, but he proved he wasn't a passenger. As the season went on we all saw Slafkovsky's confidence increase as he realized he could be a force on that line. He went from being scared to make a mistake to being the one who drove the play.

I disagree with the causal links you imply.

His confidence did grow, predictably so for reasons well articulated and outlined both by the organization and some posters on this site. No need to rehash that in a RB thread, but I encourage you to use the search function to go back and see for yourself.

Could he have figured it out sooner in the AHL? I guess we will never know, but I wouldn't bash anyone for questioning the development strategy early on last season.

An opinion or take can be questioned and/or have it's flaws pointed out without it meaning a person is bring "bashed".

A bad take is a bad take, that's all.

 

[WeThreeKings]

You obviously haven't even read my posts.

Also, sorry, but this isn't a 'safe space' for teenagers.

We are free to discuss any player on our team.

I've read your posts and they're not very good. Essentially it's a whole lot of crying that Reinbacher doesn't fit this fictional 5th overall defenseman that you have to pick at 5 otherwise they can't provide value to winning.

Bringing in 'safe space' as part of the discussion is pretty much the dog whistle I need to see that you're just being an edgelord. I'm surprised you haven't used the word 'woke' or somehow brought up Trudeau in the discussion yet.

Which take is terrible?

That Bustbacher hasn't been very impressive thus far in this short career?

I swear some people on here need to toughen up.

Bustbacher - hilarious and original. Not even clever enough to use Reinbuster which makes more sense phonetically.

No one needs to toughen up; there's a world of difference between fair criticism and toxic behaviour that bleeds out of the public space and has an actual impact on a teenager trying to realize their dream.

When you read articles like that and understand that, something Reinbacher had been working toward and thinking about his entire life, was tainted by people like you and your inability to accept a decision was made that you don't agree with - does that make you feel good?

Do you feel good that you and people like you took a special moment and ruined it? A moment he will never get back. Then tell me what did David Reinbacher ever do to warrant that? What did the kid playing hockey do that justifies that type of behaviour from fans that act and think the way you do?

If you trusted the Reinbacher pick

And trust Reinbacher as a prospect

You shouldn’t be so fussed and confused whenever someone expresses any doubt or criticism of Reinbacher.

Re-lax.

And if you dislike the Reinbacher pick, you shouldn't claim foul when people tell you the value he brings. But since it isn't flashy and it doesn't translate to big numbers on a hockeydb page; they pretend it doesn't warrant the selection or that it doesn't actually matter.

It matters. It matters to management who build teams. It matters to coaches who deploy their rosters in ways to win hockey games. It matters to the 4 other players on the ice. It matters to the skilled players who spend more time with the puck and less time defending. It matters to the goalie in net who can trust the big threats will be nullified and the right transition and zone exit decisions will happen.

you were the most miserable person here for a decade bro, something pot something kettle

Well I happily passed that honor on to you and you've managed to lap me in short order. Congratulations.

 

[River Meadow]

I've read your posts and they're not very good.

The feeling is mutual.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The feeling is mutual.

Glad to hear it - means I didn't have a stroke.

 

[Andrei79]

I can actually see why some would be skeptical about Reinbacher. He doesn't possess many elite traits that are apparent on the eye test. He has a number of good tools. He doesn't have much, if any, deception on offense, which you generally expect from a top 5 pick, nor does he have the power game of someone like Seider. He's advertised as a defensive defenseman, but the truth is he's made a lot of mistakes. The upside isn't clear yet, because he hasn't really adapted or grown into his game yet. I think people would have been disappointed with picking Heiskanen over Michkov, but would have immediately fell in love with his game right from his D+2 training camp. I mentioned I like Reinbacher's game, the way he snuffs out players along the boards, how rangy he is, the first pass option, but he's still raw and the truth is he's not what you typically see from a top 5 pick in that kind of draft.

Now that being said, Reinbacher was really, really for Laval last year down the stretch. I fully expect even better this year. I think he'll quickly overtake both Mailloux and Barron.

 

[Jaynki]

Its always funny how the fanbase is skeptical of players like Slafkovsky(wright bias), Reinbacher(michkov bias) or Hutson(size bias.)

But will masturbate on fringe player like Kapanen (D+4) or Mailloux way closer to their way lower ceiling.

By wanting to be the most intelligent person, folks will make terrible take when there is an obvious easy take on the table.

 

[Miller Time]

B u s t b a c h e r

T r o l l post

Its always funny how the fanbase is skeptical of players like Slafkovsky(wright bias), Reinbacher(michkov bias) or Hutson(size bias.)

But will masturbate on fringe player like Kapanen (D+4) or Mailloux way closer their way lower ceiling.

Some posters just don't get athlete development

 

[Jaynki]

I can actually see why some would be skeptical about Reinbacher. He doesn't possess many elite traits that are apparent on the eye test. He has a number of good tools. He doesn't have much, if any, deception on offense, which you generally expect from a top 5 pick, nor does he have the power game of someone like Seider. He's advertised as a defensive defenseman, but the truth is he's made a lot of mistakes. The upside isn't clear yet, because he hasn't really adapted or grown into his game yet. I think people would have been disappointed with picking Heiskanen over Michkov, but would have immediately fell in love with his game right from his D+2 training camp. I mentioned I like Reinbacher's game, the way he snuffs out players along the boards, how rangy he is, the first pass option, but he's still raw and the truth is he's not what you typically see from a top 5 pick in that kind of draft.

Now that being said, Reinbacher was really, really for Laval last year down the stretch. I fully expect even better this year. I think he'll quickly overtake both Mailloux and Barron.

The elite skills and the upside is absolutely f***ing obvious.

Its just not "flashy skills" related so its ignored.

 

[River Meadow]

Its always funny how the fanbase is skeptical of players like Slafkovsky(wright bias), Reinbacher(michkov bias) or Hutson(size bias.)

But will masturbate on fringe player like Kapanen (D+4) or Mailloux way closer their way lower ceiling.

By wanting to be the most intelligent person, folks will make terrible take when there is an obvious easy take on the table.

I didn't want Wright. Go look back on my posts. I was super concerned about his no compete in the PO.

Also, when I criticized Habs management saying they should send Slaf down to AHL, Slaf looked like dogsh*t. When he started to turn it around I was very happy. If you think that means we can't comment on any prospect because Slaf did something incredible, I don't know what to tell you.....

I am not even criticizing Bustbacher here, go read my posts. I am saying he looks ORDINARY and pedestrian right now for a 5th OA. He likely won't make the team out of camp, which is all totally fine, he is very young.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I see people have learned zero lessons from the Slaf thread…

 

[River Meadow]

I can actually see why some would be skeptical about Reinbacher. He doesn't possess many elite traits that are apparent on the eye test. He has a number of good tools. He doesn't have much, if any, deception on offense, which you generally expect from a top 5 pick, nor does he have the power game of someone like Seider. He's advertised as a defensive defenseman, but the truth is he's made a lot of mistakes. The upside isn't clear yet, because he hasn't really adapted or grown into his game yet. I think people would have been disappointed with picking Heiskanen over Michkov, but would have immediately fell in love with his game right from his D+2 training camp. I mentioned I like Reinbacher's game, the way he snuffs out players along the boards, how rangy he is, the first pass option, but he's still raw and the truth is he's not what you typically see from a top 5 pick in that kind of draft.

Now that being said, Reinbacher was really, really for Laval last year down the stretch. I fully expect even better this year. I think he'll quickly overtake both Mailloux and Barron.

Exactly.

I see people have learned zero lessons from the Slaf thread…

Should we lie and say he's looked INCREDIBLE this preseason?

 

[Jaynki]

I didn't want Wright. Go look back on my posts. I was super concerned about his no compete in the PO.

Also, when I criticized Habs management saying they should send Slaf down to AHL, Slaf looked like dogsh*t. When he started to turn it around I was very happy. If you think that means we can't comment on any prospect being Slaf did something incredible, I don't know what to tell you.....

I am not even criticizing Bustbacher here, go read my posts. I am saying he looks ORDINARY and pedestrian right now for a 5th OA. He likely won't make the team out of camp, which is all totally fine, he is very young.

B u s t b a c h e r

Congrats on not reading my posts and instead just fixating on the Bustbacher bit, which is obviously a joke.

10/10 reading comprehension

Sorry i singled you out on my post because for the last three page you were debating with many others.

Just know that it was meant as a joke too.

I respect your opinion and i certainly don't believe in mine nor take it for granted as the truth. Your opinion was far from the worst on the Slaf thread, i said this to give glitters to my post.

As for Reinbuster, i expected a better showing to be honest. I am still firm on his upside but i thought he could challenge for a spot. Its looking like Laval right now.

 

[River Meadow]

Sorry i singled you out on my post because for the last three page you were debating with many others.

Just know that it was meant as a joke too.

I respect your opinion and i certainly don't believe in mine nor take it for granted as the truth.

As for Reinbuster, i expected a better showing to be honest. I am still firm on his upside but i thought he could challenge for a spot. Its looking like Laval right now.

It sounds like we're in 100% agreement on all of this

 

[Miller Time]

I can actually see why some would be skeptical about Reinbacher. He doesn't possess many elite traits that are apparent on the eye test. He has a number of good tools. He doesn't have much, if any, deception on offense, which you generally expect from a top 5 pick, nor does he have the power game of someone like Seider. He's advertised as a defensive defenseman, but the truth is he's made a lot of mistakes. The upside isn't clear yet, because he hasn't really adapted or grown into his game yet. I think people would have been disappointed with picking Heiskanen over Michkov, but would have immediately fell in love with his game right from his D+2 training camp. I mentioned I like Reinbacher's game, the way he snuffs out players along the boards, how rangy he is, the first pass option, but he's still raw and the truth is he's not what you typically see from a top 5 pick in that kind of draft.

Now that being said, Reinbacher was really, really for Laval last year down the stretch. I fully expect even better this year. I think he'll quickly overtake both Mailloux and Barron.

I'm curious about your point of reference for 5OA?

Since 2000, these are the dmen picked 5OA

Sanderson - NHL start D3 (little case to be made RB wouldn't be dominant in NCAA like Sanderson was in his D2)

Juolevi - bust

Hanifin - D7 before he really firmed up top pairing role.

Rielly - AHL/NHL D2, D3-4 top pairing minutes & role

Schenn - never really played at top pairing level, solid stretch as a reliable defensive top 4, now a quality bottom pairing

Alzner - nuff said lol

Whitney - NHL start D5


So, I'm curious how you look at the historical progression curves of 5OA picks and conclude that RB, at start of D2, is somehow behind that curve? I just don't see it relative to the historical context.

The 2023 draft is far too young to make any strong assertions about its NHL quality. Bedard is a unique/rare talent, but after that, remains to be seen how the top 10-15 compares to other drafts over time. Within the draft class, there's little case to be made that RB has significantly underwhelmed vis-a-vis the players available at 5OA imo.

Removing the relative context, what we do see in his play right now is quite promising for a ceiling that would see him as a top pairing fixture for a long time should he reach it, imo.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Should we lie and say he's looked INCREDIBLE this preseason?

No.

You should realize by now that most prospects don’t look amazing when they first start out.

But hey, you do you.

 

[River Meadow]

No.

You should realize by now that most prospects don’t look amazing when they first start out.

But hey, you do you.

That's what I said about him.

He isn't looking amazing right now, and will need time.

 

[Andrei79]

I'm curious about your point of reference for 5OA?

Since 2000, these are the dmen picked 5OA

Sanderson - NHL start D3 (little case to be made RB wouldn't be dominant in NCAA like Sanderson was in his D2)

Juolevi - bust

Hanifin - D7 before he really firmed up top pairing role.

Rielly - AHL/NHL D2, D3-4 top pairing minutes & role

Schenn - never really played at top pairing level, solid stretch as a reliable defensive top 4, now a quality bottom pairing

Alzner - nuff said lol

Whitney - NHL start D5


So, I'm curious how you look at the historical progression curves of 5OA picks and conclude that RB, at start of D2, is somehow behind that curve? I just don't see it relative to the historical context.

The 2023 draft is far too young to make any strong assertions about its NHL quality. Bedard is a unique/rare talent, but after that, remains to be seen how the top 10-15 compares to other drafts over time. Within the draft class, there's little case to be made that RB has significantly underwhelmed vis-a-vis the players available at 5OA imo.

Removing the relative context, what we do see in his play right now is quite promising for a ceiling that would see him as a top pairing fixture for a long time should he reach it, imo.

I can't give an answer to this post, because I don't believe RB has underwhelmed or is behind whatever curve you're taking about.

 

[Trabdy2]

Most NHL defencemen, even a lot of the very best, don't really gain a foothold in the NHL until around their D+3 or D+4 season. It just takes time.

Also, let's not forget the tire fire of a development situation Reinbacher was in last year, which certainly did him no favours.

 

[Miller Time]

I can't give an answer to this post, because I don't believe RB has underwhelmed or is behind whatever curve you're taking about.

You don't recall what you wrote? Let's see if I can make what I was talking about more easy to understand...

. He doesn't have much, if any, deception on offense, which you generally expect from a top 5 pick,

Expectations about 5OA... That don't relate to the actual list of dmen picked 5OA of the past 24 years

The upside isn't clear yet, because he hasn't really adapted or grown into his game yet.

It is clear to many. And it's also quite evident his game has grown since being drafted.

I think people would have been disappointed with picking Heiskanen over Michkov, but would have immediately fell in love with his game right from his D+2 training camp.

Being disappointed then "in love" with a prospect from D to D2 speaks to pretty flimsy assessments.

I mentioned I like Reinbacher's game, the way he snuffs out players along the boards, how rangy he is, the first pass option, but he's still raw and the truth is he's not what you typically see from a top 5 pick in that kind of draft.

Interesting that you don't see the "upside" despite the abilities you speak to here.

"Not typical" compared to which of the 5OA dmen picked the past 24 years?

I'd say he's very much on par with the caliber of potential typically seen from 5OA drafted Dmen.

 

[River Meadow]

Most NHL defencemen, even a lot of the very best, don't really gain a foothold in the NHL until around their D+3 or D+4 season. It just takes time.

Also, let's not forget the tire fire of a development situation Reinbacher was in last year, which certainly did him no favours.

Good points

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

That's what I said about him.

He isn't looking amazing right now, and will need time.

So then why did you feel the need to reply to my post?

 

[montreal]

I deleted some posts but i'm not cleaning this shit up, HF has NEVER allowed posts to be about the poster, respond to the topic not calling out a poster.

Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion, doesn't give you the right to call them out, discuss the opinion, not the poster.