Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Laval Rocket edition

[River Meadow]

Unless the time machine takes them to the future... Right after we win the cup with DR playing a lead role as our minute munching top pair shut down RD

I greatly admire your optimism.

 

[Miller Time]

I greatly admire your optimism.

Can't quite say the same about your pessimism, sorry

 

[OnTheRun]

I greatly admire your optimism.

Minus the cup win bit it's not really optimism. DR got drafted to fill an important role on the team and he got the skills to fulfill that premise.

 

[River Meadow]

Can't quite say the same about your pessimism, sorry

I’m not actually pessimistic, though; I just try to look at things realistically, weighing both the potential and the risks.

I think it’s important to be excited about our prospects, but also honest about the challenges they face. That way, if things go well, it’s a pleasant surprise, and if not, we’re prepared.

I’m rooting for him, just not assuming anything is guaranteed..

 

[Whitesnake]

The answer to your question is your premise is wrong. They never picked him because he was a RD. This has been surmised because Hughes mentioned an LD might have had a lower ranking. This doesn't mean the opposite, which is that a RD would necessarily be ranked ahead of the other positions. They've openly said that a player like Demidov was a need when they drafted him. They've made the same comments regarding having different types of players, compete, size, so quite literally everyone at 5 but Benson and Simashev would have filled the need. I think they just didn't like a lot of things about Michkov and felt Reinbacher would be a more valuable player than Leonard down the line.

Help me understand. So a lefty Reinbacher would have probably made him NOT a top 5...but a RIGHTY Reinbacher did. So in the end, if Reinbacher had a twin, that played EXACTLY like him, us picking the righty does NOT mean that being a RD does not rank it ahead?

 

[River Meadow]

Minus the cup win bit it's not really optimism. DR got drafted to fill an important role on the team and he got the skills to fulfill that premise.

If Reinbacher becomes a top-pairing guy, I’ll be the first to admit you called it. I just like to see a little more before I jump on the hypetrain.

Maybe I’m just a little scared from past prospects not panning out as hoped. I’d love for Reinbacher to be the exception and really anchor our blue line for years.

 

[OnTheRun]

Help me understand. So a lefty Reinbacher would have probably made him NOT a top 5...but a RIGHTY Reinbacher did. So in the end, if Reinbacher had a twin, that played EXACTLY like him, us picking the righty does NOT mean that being a RD does not rank it ahead?

Positional value is a thing, and it's also part of the black box you keep referring to as "BPA". If a prospect as a twin who play EXACTLY the same but at a different position then positional value would be the tie breaker. So a RD would be seen as more valuable than a LD and a center would be seen as more valuable than a winger.

 

[Andrei79]

Help me understand. So a lefty Reinbacher would have probably made him NOT a top 5...but a RIGHTY Reinbacher did. So in the end, if Reinbacher had a twin, that played EXACTLY like him, us picking the righty does NOT mean that being a RD does not rank it ahead?

The part you're leaving out is if they were triplets and the other was a center or an offensive winger, they wouldnt have been hampered by organizational depth at that position, they would also be a top 5. That's the point. The players in that group literally all filled needs and none were LHDs. They've mentioned many times they don't want redundancy. In the context of having Hutson and Guhle that's what a LH Reinbacher would be. If Hutson or Guhle were RD, they likely wouldn't have rated RHDs as high for the same reasons. But it doesn't mean they would have drafted Simashev for the sake of a LHD.

 

[Miller Time]

I’m not actually pessimistic, though; I just try to look at things realistically, weighing both the potential and the risks.

That doesn't fit many of your takes.

Take the very post I replied to. It's quite unrealistic to assume a group that saw the long term potential and value of DR would be feeling much different about their decision given what we've seen thus far.

It's quite unrealistic to think that a professional scouting department is as emotionally reactive as fans who are easily excited/frustrated by small sample sizes of performance.

I think it’s important to be excited about our prospects, but also honest about the challenges they face. That way, if things go well, it’s a pleasant surprise, and if not, we’re prepared.

I’m rooting for him, just not assuming anything is guaranteed..

I don't think anyone should "assume anything is guaranteed".

Holding more pessimistic or optimistic viewpoints on the unknown future is a matter of opinion, to each their own.

What we have in DR is a prospect that, based on his play at the professional level thus far, provides ample reason to be "excited" at what NHL impact he may have, IF, he's able to scratch at his considerable potential.

Suggesting he'll become a "minute munching top pair dman on a cup winning roster" is most certainly an optimistic viewpoint... But no more or less "realistic" than assuming he will turn into a bust.

For now, he remains a 20 year old prospect with a lot of potential.

 

[River Meadow]

That doesn't fit many of your takes.

Take the very post I replied to. It's quite unrealistic to assume a group that saw the long term potential and value of DR would be feeling much different about their decision given what we've seen thus far.

It's quite unrealistic to think that a professional scouting department is as emotionally reactive as fans who are easily excited/frustrated by small sample sizes of performance.




I don't think anyone should "assume anything is guaranteed".

Holding more pessimistic or optimistic viewpoints on the unknown future is a matter of opinion, to each their own.

What we have in DR is a prospect that, based on his play at the professional level thus far, provides ample reason to be "excited" at what NHL impact he may have, IF, he's able to scratch at his considerable potential.

Suggesting he'll become a "minute munching top pair dman on a cup winning roster" is most certainly an optimistic viewpoint... But no more or less "realistic" than assuming he will turn into a bust.

For now, he remains a 20 year old prospect with a lot of potential.

Yes sir,

I'm sorry,

I'm trying to be more inclusive and to embrace the culture of pumping the tires on our prospects.

<3

 

[74 others]

I saw him live tonight and again, it’s hard to imagine that he is a 5th overall pick. I don’t really care if he didn’t play much this year, a player selected that high should be way better than that. It’s concerning because he shows no confidence.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Positional value is a thing, and it's also part of the black box you keep referring to as "BPA". If a prospect as a twin who play EXACTLY the same but at a different position then positional value would be the tie breaker. So a RD would be seen as more valuable than a LD and a center would be seen as more valuable than a winger.

Heh, I'd take Daniel Sedin over Henrik Sedin, because I don't want my top center to be in that mold.

 

[Kojo]

Pick BPA...and trade the extras you have for the needs you will have AT THAT TIME.

The BPA didn't want to play for Montreal though.

 

[themilosh]

The BPA didn't want to play for Montreal though.

I think the alternative would have been to simply draft him as stock chip. then flip him for say a, David Jiricek or even better: Simon Nemec. I think if we had Michkov that would be the expected return.. could RB get that? Maybe?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

They got smoked was he bad?

 

[Paradoxe]

They got smoked was he bad?

No, but not that good either. Coach placed him in a higher role with Engstrom, Eng was ready, not Reino ... With all due respect, I do think that the coach broke this team with the goalie swap, so our kids are a bit in distress at the moment. Oh, and Mailloux getting those penalties never helps.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I think the alternative would have been to simply draft him as stock chip. then flip him for say a, David Jiricek or even better: Simon Nemec. I think if we had Michkov that would be the expected return.. could RB get that? Maybe?

Yes, easily. Jiricek was traded for much much much less and Nemec is barely earning opportunities in NJ in his D+3.

 

[Whitesnake]

The BPA didn't want to play for Montreal though.

Which is something still not confirmed. And again, it's not about THE BPA. Like everybody mentions, we all have our own BPA. And it's never my point. It's not the BPA based on McKenzie list or anybody's list. It's the BPA that OUR team has. What I want my team to say at the end of the draft, every draft, is that we picked the best player regardless of position. That's all I'm asking. If they thought Reinbacher was the BPA...so be it. Thing is....to be a BPA you cannot say if he was a lefty, we might have cooled down on him....they picked Lane Hutson at 62. Clearly BPA at that rank. I just wish we would do that for every pick.

 

[Kojo]

Which is something still not confirmed.

Maybe, or maybe he was on the do not draft list. Its been documented.

It's actually common knowledge if you've been following hockey.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Which is something still not confirmed. And again, it's not about THE BPA. Like everybody mentions, we all have our own BPA. And it's never my point. It's not the BPA based on McKenzie list or anybody's list. It's the BPA that OUR team has. What I want my team to say at the end of the draft, every draft, is that we picked the best player regardless of position. That's all I'm asking. If they thought Reinbacher was the BPA...so be it. Thing is....to be a BPA you cannot say if he was a lefty, we might have cooled down on him....they picked Lane Hutson at 62. Clearly BPA at that rank. I just wish we would do that for every pick.

They do the same thing for EVERY pick. They probably felt that Leonard and Reinbacher were the choices at 5th. RD is far more valuable than a winger all other things being equal. LD is easier to acquire so they might have gone Leonard if they felt he filled more of the boxes.

 

[overlords]

I think the alternative would have been to simply draft him as stock chip. then flip him for say a, David Jiricek or even better: Simon Nemec. I think if we had Michkov that would be the expected return.. could RB get that? Maybe?

you don't get fair value for problem children who demand to be traded to certain markets while crashing cars with hookers in dubai

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

you don't get fair value for problem children who demand to be traded to certain markets while crashing cars with hookers in dubai

True. what if you draft him and he refuses to go anywhere but Phialdelphia or say only 2 teams are acceptable. Then you aren't getting anything close to a Reinbacher or Leonard.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Which is something still not confirmed. And again, it's not about THE BPA. Like everybody mentions, we all have our own BPA. And it's never my point. It's not the BPA based on McKenzie list or anybody's list. It's the BPA that OUR team has. What I want my team to say at the end of the draft, every draft, is that we picked the best player regardless of position. That's all I'm asking. If they thought Reinbacher was the BPA...so be it. Thing is....to be a BPA you cannot say if he was a lefty, we might have cooled down on him....they picked Lane Hutson at 62. Clearly BPA at that rank. I just wish we would do that for every pick.

Well, here's the thing.

Nashville tried to trade for the 5th overall pick to take... Reinbacher.
Arizona wanted to take Reinbacher and was hoping he would be there at 6.
Philadelphia tried to trade Gauthier to Montreal to take... Reinbacher.
The Montreal Canadiens at 5 took... Reinbacher.

The discourse coming from the combine into draft week was that Montreal's phone would ring off the hook for the 5th overall pick and it's not for teams trying to trade up for Michkov, it would be to get their hands on David Reinbacher.

Whether he was your BPA or not. Reinbacher was going 5th overall in many different scenarios or order of teams selecting. The notion that Reinbacher was a reach at the time of the draft is just taking too many 'lists' into account and ignoring the actual things that were transpiring with the actual NHL teams and scouting staffs.

So I think we can get off the BPA shit with Reinbacher. This is not a reach, this is a guy going exactly in the range of prospects he was in, and his size, positional value and other qualities was making him the BPA of that range which quite clearly included Leonard and Michkov.

 

[themilosh]

Yes, easily. Jiricek was traded for much much much less and Nemec is barely earning opportunities in NJ in his D+3.

Then Reinbacher was the correct choice.. great pick.

 

[themilosh]

you don't get fair value for problem children who demand to be traded to certain markets while crashing cars with hookers in dubai

I think i may have missed this? What?