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Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Laval Rocket edition

Oops I meant hamrlik

Same type of player. I confused them. 😆 🤣
Hamrlik was way better than Spacek come on now! We got him a little late in his carreer but a player like that would help the CH so much now. He was more offensive minded younger, I think it ‘s a good comp.

Like I said, I see Reino a two way 45pts dman. First PK, second PP. It will be hard for him getting more points than that without first PP minutes.
 
Everybody seems to pencil him into the lineup, but given how little Reinbacher's played this season, I think it would be a good thing if Mailloux takes the RD spot with a great camp. Reinbacher is not overripe for the AHL, and having strong competition to beat is what drives hunger and improvement.
I can understand your point of view, but I think that Reino will have a great summer and will take another step at the camp and leave many people speechless. That kid is NHL-ready.
 
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I guess my biggest gripe with Reinbacher in the playoffs is he hasn't elevated his intensity level from the regular season. In the regular season, it was clear to me he was the best player in the game most games. Now, he's just been fine. I see him losing some 50/50 battles vs the forechecker more often than he used to.
He sometimes needs many repetitions to adapt to this kind of hockey. Give him some games before he bounces up!
 
Hamrlik was way better than Spacek come on now! We got him a little late in his carreer but a player like that would help the CH so much now. He was more offensive minded younger, I think it ‘s a good comp.

Like I said, I see Reino a two way 45pts dman. First PK, second PP. It will be hard for him getting more points than that without first PP minutes.
My point is that Reinbacher plays nothing like the hamrlik we knew of in mtl
 
He's not playing like Spacek, you are right about that.
Useless reply?

Hamrlik was very defensively minded and barely joined the attack during his time in mtl.

Go watch the ahl, or vids from Montreal channel, Reinbacher us very offensively minded. He loves to join the rush and us way more skilled with the puck
 
Useless reply?

Hamrlik was very defensively minded and barely joined the attack during his time in mtl.

Go watch the ahl, or vids from Montreal channel, Reinbacher us very offensively minded. He loves to join the rush and us way more skilled with the puck
Wanna bet he's gonna be a 40-50pts, 2nd PP and first PK in Mtl? My comparaison was for point productions and utilisation. Hammer was producing 35pts in 2007 for us, it's pretty much the equivalent of 45 right now.
 
Wanna bet he's gonna be a 40-50pts, 2nd PP and first PK in Mtl? My comparaison was for point productions and utilisation.
I'm not talking stats dude. I'm talking Playstyle.

Dobson can hit 45 points and guhle can also hit 45 points in rhe same season. Yet they play nothing like each other.

Also are u sure hamrlik played pp time with mtl? I don't remember that
 
Im not going to reread the entire thread.. ill admit, i don't watch Laval play.. though i follow them, and hope for the best; Similar to Price in D+1.

Outside of Laval winning, which is good for the franchise.. the only players i am vested in is:
Reinbacher
Mailloux
Xhekaj
Fowler

All others are simply bottom 6 depth, nice to haves.

My question is simple: with 4 legit pieces to the big club, where are these guys going to slot in?

Mildly interested:
Beck
Engstrom
Davidson
Tuch
Kapanen
Primeau

Tired of hearing about them, hoping they are packaged in a trade As they have 0% future on the big team: Mainly because they are small, and have no jam.
Mešar
Ferrel
Roy
Kidney

No interest in career AHLers, ever and always.
ABB
Condotta
Dauphin
Trudeau
Simoneau
RHP
Gignac
 
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I'm not talking stats dude. I'm talking Playstyle.

Dobson can hit 45 points and guhle can also hit 45 points in rhe same season. Yet they play nothing like each other.

Also are u sure hamrlik played pp time with mtl? I don't remember that
yup he was on the second wave, just like ur bud Spacek! You think a « defensive minded Hammer » put 35pts with no pp at all? Not so bad…He was a really good two way D and I would love for Reino to become that two way beast.
 
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There's a lot of people in here that love to point out every gaffe Reinbacher makes, yet he has hardly any games at the AHL level, of course he's gonna make mistakes how could you think otherwise?

I mean this as an honest question but have any 19/20 year old defenceman ever come into the AHL and played lights out defensively? Is there a single example of that? I watch a lot of Laval games but very little of anyone else and outside of this year and last I barely watched any AHL games. If anybody has any examples I'd love to hear them.
 
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There's a lot of people in here that love to point out every gaffe Reinbacher makes, yet he has hardly any games at the AHL level, of course he's gonna make mistakes how could you think otherwise?

I mean this as an honest question but have any 19/20 year old defenceman ever come into the AHL and played lights out defensively? Is there a single example of that? I watch a lot of Laval games but very little of anyone else and outside of this year and last I barely watched any AHL games. If anybody has any examples I'd love to hear them.

Because of the value of his PK work and offensive support, Matheson is already allowed to fill the quota of gaffes/game. Maybe Mailloux or RB would get more leeway elsewhere but they’ll get none in Montreal even at 20.
 
I agree with a few posters here with RB's play not looking as good as the regular season. I am a big fan of his but he clearly has some work and developing to do in order to be a top 4 D on a playoff team. Nothing wrong with that as he is only 20 years old. Lots of time to develop and get back on track especially with him missing time due to injuries.
It's great that he has this amazing opportunity to play in the playoffs with multiple days off in between to watch video and get re-energized. Its seems to be the perfect schedule for him. Hopefully we advance and get more valuable game experience for all of our youngsters! What an advantage it is to have a solid AHL playoff team. Molson needs to keep investing in Laval, it's a no brainer.
 
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Im not going to reread the entire thread.. ill admit, i don't watch Laval play.. though i follow them, and hope for the best; Similar to Price in D+1.

Outside of Laval winning, which is good for the franchise.. the only players i am vested in is:
Reinbacher
Mailloux
Xhekaj
Fowler

All others are simply bottom 6 depth, nice to haves.

My question is simple: with 4 legit pieces to the big club, where are these guys going to slot in?

Mildly interested:
Beck
Engstrom
Davidson
Tuch
Kapanen
Primeau

One issue is that if you had written your list a year ago, you'd have placed Florian Xhekaj in the guaranteed bust category.

Scouting and development are inherently inexact, and part of the purpose of the AHL is to let the cream rise to the top, and the mud to sink. Tomas Plekanec, Michael Ryder, had a significant impact on the Habs after being late round forgettable prospects.

Guys like Condotta and Dauphin are important too. They set the environment for our prospects, and they can be called up if there are a lot of injuries.

You list Kidney as a player you don't want to hear about. Why? You're not actually hearing anything about Kidney. Nobody is writing anything about Kidney he's not even playing which is wasteful.
 
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There's a lot of people in here that love to point out every gaffe Reinbacher makes, yet he has hardly any games at the AHL level, of course he's gonna make mistakes how could you think otherwise?

I mean this as an honest question but have any 19/20 year old defenceman ever come into the AHL and played lights out defensively? Is there a single example of that? I watch a lot of Laval games but very little of anyone else and outside of this year and last I barely watched any AHL games. If anybody has any examples I'd love to hear them.


Off the top of my head, Juulsen though he wasn't there too long and I said he should have stayed longer to work on his offensive game but of course MB had to rush him to the NHL.

But there's no harm in pointing out the good and the bad from any prospect. It's a message board about prospects, so what else is there to do.
 
Reinbacher missed basically the entire season after a knee surgury, then he had to deal with some swelling and we all know the knee is likely still bothering him a bit, as long as his knee isnt 100% healed and reinforced, its useless to judge him too sevelery as its obvious it will affect his game to some extent.

He still looks pretty good for a kid who missed so much action and the farm clearly benefits his calm, poised presence in the line-up. We should just be happy he plays all playoffs games and helps to win the Calder cup, we will see where his knee is at next fall after a full summer of rehab.
 
There's a lot of people in here that love to point out every gaffe Reinbacher makes, yet he has hardly any games at the AHL level, of course he's gonna make mistakes how could you think otherwise?

I mean this as an honest question but have any 19/20 year old defenceman ever come into the AHL and played lights out defensively? Is there a single example of that? I watch a lot of Laval games but very little of anyone else and outside of this year and last I barely watched any AHL games. If anybody has any examples I'd love to hear them.
There’s also a lot of people that think hes gonna make the top4 in Mtl next year… I mean its pretty clear he needs more time in the A, which is a good thing. He missed so much games since his draft, just give him one more year.
 
There’s also a lot of people that think hes gonna make the top4 in Mtl next year… I mean its pretty clear he needs more time in the A, which is a good thing. He missed so much games since his draft, just give him one more year.
Agreed. There is no reason you rush him.
 
Those who had biases against his play either offensively or defensively have kept their biases here.

I had none, I’m not that fanatic about suspects like some here. In fact, I knew NOTHING of him before seeing games in Laval.

What I see from the puppy is pure NHL top 4 talent.

He has his warts. f***, they all do. Ever watched an NHL game!?!

But he’s got the IT factor, the thing that makes him stick out in an AHL game. That makes him a notch or twelve over the Trudeaus of this world.

He will make the big show sometime next season unless injured. You can take that to the bank.

Never forget, yougins, he’s a baby.
 
Those who had biases against his play either offensively or defensively have kept their biases here.

I had none, I’m not that fanatic about suspects like some here. In fact, I knew NOTHING of him before seeing games in Laval.

What I see from the puppy is pure NHL top 4 talent.

He has his warts. f***, they all do. Ever watched an NHL game!?!

But he’s got the IT factor, the thing that makes him stick out in an AHL game. That makes him a notch or twelve over the Trudeaus of this world.

He will make the big show sometime next season unless injured. You can take that to the bank.

Never forget, yougins, he’s a baby.
He's still young but I don't see the 'it' factor in Reinbacher yet. I think he's going to have a great training camp like he had last year before his injury and squeeze in on the 3rd pairing though, him and Mailloux have a good shot at it.
 
It's okay if people disagree with my take...but it will always be my take. And for any take, we can be wrong or right. It,s all good. But I will always believe, wrong or right, that going position is not a good sign. And you know when I started believing that? 2005. When one of the times I've been the most outraged about a pick...when we went with a certain Carey Price while we had the great Jose Theodore on the team. WHY IN THE WORLD do you pick a goalie!!!!! Oh my god!!!!! Well because on THAT pick....Timmins judged this guy WAS the BPA. No matter the position. And while there are arguments for Kopitar, sorry...Price is the best goalie of his generation. Best pick ever. BASED ON BPA.

I understand the whole right D is important. That some great posters in here, who will recognized themselves, will say that at one point, NEED get into this BPA debate. And while I understand their point, I don't agree, UNLESS there's a belief that between 2 choices that are too close to call, you WILL go with the guy that plays a position you don't have in the system vs a guy that plays in a position when you have 8 in your system. But I will always have a problem thinking that everything I just said is close to being possible.

Now....as important as the RD position is....I still don't think it's worth a top 5 pick if the player in itself is not a BPA regardless of the position. Because...you can find RD everywhere in the draft. And look also at picks the Habs made choosing SOMEBODY else than a RD. I mean, if a RD in Reinbacher explains his selection and the non-selections of others, what's the explanation of a Mesar or a Beck ahead of a Lamoureux or a Chesley? Why not Luneau? I mean, what did Mesar do that Luneau didn't do in his draft year? Why Koivu instead of Alexis Bernier or Henry Mews? If position is important..should it be important everywhere in the draft? Why Sawyer instead of Marrelli? Or already signed 6'4'' Tomas Lavoie?

if the answer to all of his paragrah is then...well see....it then demonstrates that they DO pick BPA. They do think, whether they are right or wrong, that Koivu IS a better prospect in their eyes than Tomas Lavoie. I OBVIOUSLY disagree..but at least it shows that it's a BPA strategy. And I prefer them being wrong that way.....but if they do it BPA elsewhere...why not 1st round. Or if finally they DO beleive that David is BPA......well they should be judged accordingly. And not excused if it doesn't work.

Going back to David, contrary to another pick by needs in Jesperi, I think he will be a serviceable d-man in the league. Do not see at all a top 2 ceiling...but number 4 with PK time. Still essential though. And let's hope he becomes that. But as I keep repeating...my criticisms towards the draft is rarely about the player themselves rather than the strategy. Pick BPA...and trade the extras you have for the needs you will have AT THAT TIME.
 
It's okay if people disagree with my take...but it will always be my take. And for any take, we can be wrong or right. It,s all good. But I will always believe, wrong or right, that going position is not a good sign. And you know when I started believing that? 2005. When one of the times I've been the most outraged about a pick...when we went with a certain Carey Price while we had the great Jose Theodore on the team. WHY IN THE WORLD do you pick a goalie!!!!! Oh my god!!!!! Well because on THAT pick....Timmins judged this guy WAS the BPA. No matter the position. And while there are arguments for Kopitar, sorry...Price is the best goalie of his generation. Best pick ever. BASED ON BPA.

I understand the whole right D is important. That some great posters in here, who will recognized themselves, will say that at one point, NEED get into this BPA debate. And while I understand their point, I don't agree, UNLESS there's a belief that between 2 choices that are too close to call, you WILL go with the guy that plays a position you don't have in the system vs a guy that plays in a position when you have 8 in your system. But I will always have a problem thinking that everything I just said is close to being possible.

Now....as important as the RD position is....I still don't think it's worth a top 5 pick if the player in itself is not a BPA regardless of the position. Because...you can find RD everywhere in the draft. And look also at picks the Habs made choosing SOMEBODY else than a RD. I mean, if a RD in Reinbacher explains his selection and the non-selections of others, what's the explanation of a Mesar or a Beck ahead of a Lamoureux or a Chesley? Why not Luneau? I mean, what did Mesar do that Luneau didn't do in his draft year? Why Koivu instead of Alexis Bernier or Henry Mews? If position is important..should it be important everywhere in the draft? Why Sawyer instead of Marrelli? Or already signed 6'4'' Tomas Lavoie?

if the answer to all of his paragrah is then...well see....it then demonstrates that they DO pick BPA. They do think, whether they are right or wrong, that Koivu IS a better prospect in their eyes than Tomas Lavoie. I OBVIOUSLY disagree..but at least it shows that it's a BPA strategy. And I prefer them being wrong that way.....but if they do it BPA elsewhere...why not 1st round. Or if finally they DO beleive that David is BPA......well they should be judged accordingly. And not excused if it doesn't work.

Going back to David, contrary to another pick by needs in Jesperi, I think he will be a serviceable d-man in the league. Do not see at all a top 2 ceiling...but number 4 with PK time. Still essential though. And let's hope he becomes that. But as I keep repeating...my criticisms towards the draft is rarely about the player themselves rather than the strategy. Pick BPA...and trade the extras you have for the needs you will have AT THAT TIME.

The answer to your question is your premise is wrong. They never picked him because he was a RD. This has been surmised because Hughes mentioned an LD might have had a lower ranking. This doesn't mean the opposite, which is that a RD would necessarily be ranked ahead of the other positions. They've openly said that a player like Demidov was a need when they drafted him. They've made the same comments regarding having different types of players, compete, size, so quite literally everyone at 5 but Benson and Simashev would have filled the need. I think they just didn't like a lot of things about Michkov and felt Reinbacher would be a more valuable player than Leonard down the line.
 
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It's okay if people disagree with my take...but it will always be my take. And for any take, we can be wrong or right. It,s all good. But I will always believe, wrong or right, that going position is not a good sign. And you know when I started believing that? 2005. When one of the times I've been the most outraged about a pick...when we went with a certain Carey Price while we had the great Jose Theodore on the team. WHY IN THE WORLD do you pick a goalie!!!!! Oh my god!!!!! Well because on THAT pick....Timmins judged this guy WAS the BPA. No matter the position. And while there are arguments for Kopitar, sorry...Price is the best goalie of his generation. Best pick ever. BASED ON BPA.

I understand the whole right D is important. That some great posters in here, who will recognized themselves, will say that at one point, NEED get into this BPA debate. And while I understand their point, I don't agree, UNLESS there's a belief that between 2 choices that are too close to call, you WILL go with the guy that plays a position you don't have in the system vs a guy that plays in a position when you have 8 in your system. But I will always have a problem thinking that everything I just said is close to being possible.

Now....as important as the RD position is....I still don't think it's worth a top 5 pick if the player in itself is not a BPA regardless of the position. Because...you can find RD everywhere in the draft. And look also at picks the Habs made choosing SOMEBODY else than a RD. I mean, if a RD in Reinbacher explains his selection and the non-selections of others, what's the explanation of a Mesar or a Beck ahead of a Lamoureux or a Chesley? Why not Luneau? I mean, what did Mesar do that Luneau didn't do in his draft year? Why Koivu instead of Alexis Bernier or Henry Mews? If position is important..should it be important everywhere in the draft? Why Sawyer instead of Marrelli? Or already signed 6'4'' Tomas Lavoie?

if the answer to all of his paragrah is then...well see....it then demonstrates that they DO pick BPA. They do think, whether they are right or wrong, that Koivu IS a better prospect in their eyes than Tomas Lavoie. I OBVIOUSLY disagree..but at least it shows that it's a BPA strategy. And I prefer them being wrong that way.....but if they do it BPA elsewhere...why not 1st round. Or if finally they DO beleive that David is BPA......well they should be judged accordingly. And not excused if it doesn't work.

Going back to David, contrary to another pick by needs in Jesperi, I think he will be a serviceable d-man in the league. Do not see at all a top 2 ceiling...but number 4 with PK time. Still essential though. And let's hope he becomes that. But as I keep repeating...my criticisms towards the draft is rarely about the player themselves rather than the strategy. Pick BPA...and trade the extras you have for the needs you will have AT THAT TIME.

I concur with you, good sir.

I think their scouts actually believed this could be the next Josi (who at the time of drafting Reinbacher, I think his stats were pretty much identical to Josi).

Do they make that same pick if we have a time machine knowing what we know today and how things have played out? Very likely not.
 
I concur with you, good sir.

I think their scouts actually believed this could be the next Josi (who at the time of drafting Reinbacher, I think his stats were pretty much identical to Josi).

Do they make that same pick if we have a time machine knowing what we know today and how things have played out? Very likely not.

Unless the time machine takes them to the future... Right after we win the cup with DR playing a lead role as our minute munching top pair shut down RD :win:
 

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