Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Laval Rocket edition

[BehindTheTimes]

The pre-draft scouting report that stuck out to me was someone saying that the team that picks Reinbacher high is going to do it not because he's a safe defensively reliable player but because they believe that his offensive tools will come together. He might not be #1 PP type, but yeah putting up 40 points which will mostly have to come from ES would certainly highlight his offensive abilities.

I don’t think he has 40 points in him. I don’t see it.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

That, and people tend to forget that most dmen dint hit their NHL primes until their mod-late 20s.

As long as he's committed to continuous improvement, his overall play & understanding of the nuances of positioning, stick work, leverage etc to be effective in the dzone against elite NHL talent, will undoubtedly grow considerably.

The unique tools he brings to the table won't go anywhere, but those other aspects getting to even depth NHL competency would leave him as useful NHL player... If he can get them to top 4 level, he'll be a very good asset to have

Considering all the developmental time Maillioux missed in those important developmental years I think he’s going quite well. I know we want instant gratification around here, but I think he’s right on schedule or perhaps even ahead of schedule all things considered.

I still think we have a player in Maillioux.

I think we have a very good player in Reinbacher, but I don’t see him manning a PP. I think his offense will be limited because we will have better PP options. Love to be proven wrong, but I think he’s a 20-30 point dman who drives possession, but his points will come at ES. Still a valuable player.

 

[Kojo]

Considering all the developmental time Maillioux missed in those important developmental years I think he’s going quite well. I know we want instant gratification around here, but I think he’s right on schedule or perhaps even ahead of schedule all things considered.

I still think we have a player in Maillioux.

I think we have a very good player in Reinbacher, but I don’t see him manning a PP. I think his offense will be limited because we will have better PP options. Love to be proven wrong, but I think he’s a 20-30 point dman who drives possession, but his points will come at ES. Still a valuable player.

You think Mailloux is better than Reinbacher? On and off the ice? Mailloux is like a bigger Nathan Beaulieu with a better shot, nothing special about him.

 

[montreal]

Who's he going to beat out: Hutson, Guhle, Matheson, or Carrier?

I think Matheson sucks and badly want to see him traded and Carrier is nothing special, a good 5th or 6th though.

Hutson
Guhle Reinbacher
Xhekaj/Struble Carrier

Hughes has his work cut out for him though as this team has a lot of holes to fill as the center depth is total shit and they need someone to pair with Hutson on the top pairing and it isn't Matheson. That said as much as I praise Hughes, I don't think he has the guts to trade him as I said he should have traded him last year.

 

[Benstheman]

I think Matheson sucks and badly want to see him traded and Carrier is nothing special, a good 5th or 6th though.

Hutson
Guhle Reinbacher
Xhekaj/Struble Carrier

Hughes has his work cut out for him though as this team has a lot of holes to fill as the center depth is total shit and they need someone to pair with Hutson on the top pairing and it isn't Matheson. That said as much as I praise Hughes, I don't think he has the guts to trade him as I said he should have traded him last year.

Exactly what I want to see. The other way, if they don’t trade Matheson, is you play Hutson 23-25 minutes, 4 D at 20 minutes and Struble/Xhekaj at 15 minutes.

Hutson with PP1 time. Matheson and Reinbacher with PP2 time. Guhle and Carrier with PK1 time and Matheson + Struble/Xhekaj with PK2.

 

[Benstheman]

I don’t think he has 40 points in him. I don’t see it.

I definitely see it but it’s not a guarantee. He is better than Guhle Offensively.

 

[Scriptor]

Exactly what I want to see. The other way, if they don’t trade Matheson, is you play Hutson 23-25 minutes, 4 D at 20 minutes and Struble/Xhekaj at 15 minutes.

Hutson with PP1 time. Matheson and Reinbacher with PP2 time. Guhle and Carrier with PK1 time and Matheson + Struble/Xhekaj with PK2.

I think that is the key. Maybe not at the start of the season as Reinbacher gets his footing in the NHL, but after Christmas, for sure, playing Guhle and Hutson 25minutes, plus Matheson and Reinbacher 20 minutes should limit the minutes for the third pairing and a pairing of Xhekaj - Carrier should be able to hold the fort well for 15 minutes.

There definitely is a need for another top-4 RHD, but there is enough depth on D for it to wait a bit. The team is not ready to challenge for a Cup, if only because some youngsters need more experience, but also because several positions need to be shored up.

The priority for next year remains a genuine top-6 C. We also need another top-6 winger, beyond Demidov, but can wait a year until the Laine experiment is over and until other contracts like Dach's contract are over.

The top-6 C will help the team progress the most.

I'd look to the UFA market for a three or four year solution at C ands our draft stock to move up and select Mrtka for the future D-Corps if the team is really convinced about Hage becoming a top-6 C.

Mrtka has the reach, the size and the speed to make up for any mistakes that Hutson makes as he challenges opponents in the O-zone.

Guhle - Reinbacher as a shutdown pairing
Hutson - Mrtka as the offensive duo
Xhekaj -Mailloux as a physical third pairing with offensive upside

Caufield - Suzuki - XXX
Slafkovsky - Hage - Demidov

We'd still need a top-6 winger, but those are more easily developed and more frequently available as UFAs.

 

[26Mats]

I think Matheson sucks and badly want to see him traded and Carrier is nothing special, a good 5th or 6th though.

Hutson
Guhle Reinbacher
Xhekaj/Struble Carrier

Hughes has his work cut out for him though as this team has a lot of holes to fill as the center depth is total shit and they need someone to pair with Hutson on the top pairing and it isn't Matheson. That said as much as I praise Hughes, I don't think he has the guts to trade him as I said he should have traded him last year.

I would be fine with that long term. I’m just not sure Reinbacher is ready next year for top 4 duties. And, he hasn’t shown he can stay healthy.

Would great if Hughes could move Matheson and bring in an RD. But my priority is a 2c.

Carrier could be fantastic for Xhekaj. The team totally turned around after the Carrier trade. And Guhle and Matheson played well with him.

 

[montreal]

I would be fine with that long term. I’m just not sure Reinbacher is ready next year for top 4 duties. And, he hasn’t shown he can stay healthy.

Would great if Hughes could move Matheson and bring in an RD. But my priority is a 2c.

Carrier could be fantastic for Xhekaj. The team totally turned around after the Carrier trade. And Guhle and Matheson played well with him.

Reinbacher has had 1 injury in the past 12 months, so I don't see how he's shown he can't stay healthy. They badly need a lot of help more then just 2C and RD. The good thing with both Reinbacher and Mailloux is that you see how their off-season, camp and preseason goes, if they look ready then great, if not then more time in the AHL won't hurt either and they can bring one or both up at some point during the season.

I'm always in favor of not rushing kids to the NHL so if they aren't ready then so be it but I could also see them being ready at some point next season.

 

[JianYang]

People who are comparing him to hamrlik should also take note that it took him several seasons to become the hamrlik we saw in Montreal.

I hope it doesn't take reinbacher as long because that would mean that he will figure things out in a different uniform.

 

[Miller Time]

Considering all the developmental time Maillioux missed in those important developmental years I think he’s going quite well. I know we want instant gratification around here, but I think he’s right on schedule or perhaps even ahead of schedule all things considered.

I still think we have a player in Maillioux.

I think we have a very good player in Reinbacher, but I don’t see him manning a PP. I think his offense will be limited because we will have better PP options. Love to be proven wrong, but I think he’s a 20-30 point dman who drives possession, but his points will come at ES. Still a valuable player.

If RB doesn't become a pp option, but turns into a "Slavin-esque" top pairing dman, I'll be a very happy camper.

With Hutson in place hopefully for a long long time, we've got minimal need for another elite level PP dman, especially if we stick to the 4fwd 1d for the foreseeable future

 

[MasterD]

People who are comparing him to hamrlik should also take note that it took him several seasons to become the hamrlik we saw in Montreal.

I hope it doesn't take reinbacher as long because that would mean that he will figure things out in a different uniform.

Players that come into the league at their peak form don't exist. Obviously, it will take him some time to get to his peak potential. If he achieves it.

I'm the one who brought up Hamrlik. If Reinbacher plays 65 NHL games and gets 21 points next year, I'll be very happy. Hamrlik got 65 points in his 4th season. I don't expect Reinbacher to do that. But I do expect him to be a 2way force at RD in about 3-4 years. If he gets 25-35 points a year and plays 20+ minutes a game without seeing much PP time, that's a huge huge win for this team.

 

[JianYang]

Players that come into the league at their peak form don't exist. Obviously, it will take him some time to get to his peak potential. If he achieves it.

I'm the one who brought up Hamrlik. If Reinbacher plays 65 NHL games and gets 21 points next year, I'll be very happy. Hamrlik got 65 points in his 4th season. I don't expect Reinbacher to do that. But I do expect him to be a 2way force at RD in about 3-4 years. If he gets 25-35 points a year and plays 20+ minutes a game without seeing much PP time, that's a huge huge win for this team.

There's a reason why hamrlik bounced around despite being an even higher pick than reinbacher. I'm not talking about peak form right away. I'm just talking about being a reliable nhl level dman and it took him many seasons to get there. Points aren't even a main consideration for me when saying this. Hamrlik had some early seasons with production but he was not a good dman overall.

When he finally hit his stride, his point totals were actually secondary to the kind of player he had become, which was a very solid dman overall who can play all situations and against anyone.

 

[Mrb1p]

I would be fine with that long term. I’m just not sure Reinbacher is ready next year for top 4 duties. And, he hasn’t shown he can stay healthy.

Would great if Hughes could move Matheson and bring in an RD. But my priority is a 2c.

Carrier could be fantastic for Xhekaj. The team totally turned around after the Carrier trade. And Guhle and Matheson played well with him.

Guhle-Carrier can handle 25 minutes a night with 18-19 at 5v5. Hutson can handle a 25 with 17-18 at 5v5.

We have a biy 3 that can handle A LOT of minutes. Not much different than what Nashville had. If DR, AX and Struble can give us 15-17 minutes each, well be more than fine.

The problem happens when theres an injury though, notice I said when and not if.

 

[MasterD]

Guhle-Carrier can handle 25 minutes a night with 18-19 at 5v5. Hutson can handle a 25 with 17-18 at 5v5.

We have a biy 3 that can handle A LOT of minutes. Not much different than what Nashville had. If DR, AX and Struble can give us 15-17 minutes each, well be more than fine.

The problem happens when theres an injury though, notice I said when and not if.

Are you saying Hutson-Guhle-Carrier is, to you, comparable to Weber-Suter-Josi? am I getting this right?

 

[Mrb1p]

Are you saying Hutson-Guhle-Carrier is, to you, comparable to Weber-Suter-Josi? am I getting this right?

I would probably say this only Suter and Josi played 52 games together when Josi was 21.

Hutson-Guhle-Carrier is good enough to have a similar deployment to Subban-Josi-Ekholm.

The impact Guhle-Carrier had in their 25sh games together was felt through the league as they went on the absolute tear together. It is by far one of the best pairing we've seen in this league this year.

Hutson-Carrier was also excellent in the 300ish minutes they spent together.

 

[DAChampion]

I would probably say this only Suter and Josi played 52 games together when Josi was 21.

Hutson-Guhle-Carrier is good enough to have a similar deployment to Subban-Josi-Ekholm.

The impact Guhle-Carrier had in their 25sh games together was felt through the league as they went on the absolute tear together. It is by far one of the best pairing we've seen in this league this year.

Hutson-Carrier was also excellent in the 300ish minutes they spent together.

I doubt that Carrier is as good as prime Eckholm. If he played as well for a period of 25 games it was probably a fluke. It shouldn't be counted upon.

 

[Mrb1p]

I doubt that Carrier is as good as prime Eckholm. If he played as well for a period of 25 games it was probably a fluke. It shouldn't be counted upon.

I dont doubt it. Hes excellent.

It has to be said how much of a drag playing with Matheson. Last season he was also one of the best pairing with Mcdonagh at 5v5.

 

[DAChampion]

I dont doubt it. Hes excellent.

It has to be said how much of a drag playing with Matheson. Last season he was also one of the best pairing with Mcdonagh at 5v5.

I wonder what Hughes thinks of Matheson?

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I dont doubt it. Hes excellent.

It has to be said how much of a drag playing with Matheson. Last season he was also one of the best pairing with Mcdonagh at 5v5.

I love Carrier but I don’t think he’s a true #3. I’d say a meh to decent #4/godly #5 which is still really good and a huge acquisition for a team that was starved for D.

But in your defense he more or less did an amazing impersonation of a #3/4.

 

[Mrb1p]

I wonder what Hughes thinks of Matheson?

Probably loves him and would give him his first son.

Cant be impartial with every players.

 

[Mrb1p]

I love Carrier but I don’t think he’s a true #3. I’d say a meh to decent #4/godly #5 which is still really good and a huge acquisition for a team that was starved for D.

But in your defense he more or less did an amazing impersonation of a #3/4.

He looked like a meh #4 with the Matheson nerf.

Looked like a #2 with the Guhle buff.

 

[Favster]

I think Matheson sucks and badly want to see him traded and Carrier is nothing special, a good 5th or 6th though.

Hutson
Guhle Reinbacher
Xhekaj/Struble Carrier

Hughes has his work cut out for him though as this team has a lot of holes to fill as the center depth is total shit and they need someone to pair with Hutson on the top pairing and it isn't Matheson. That said as much as I praise Hughes, I don't think he has the guts to trade him as I said he should have traded him last year.

Can't believe some people defend him. Hopefully he's gone this summer.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

You think Mailloux is better than Reinbacher? On and off the ice? Mailloux is like a bigger Nathan Beaulieu with a better shot, nothing special about him.

Nowhere did I say that.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I definitely see it but it’s not a guarantee. He is better than Guhle Offensively.

That’s not saying much.