Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Laval Rocket edition

[bcv]

Lol, you have no idea what’s going to happen one way or the other.

But you do?

 

[Garbageyuk]

But you do?

Where did I say I did?

 

[viceroy]

Struble is more than adequate. He's an NHL D who's played the season and some of the playoffs already.

Adequate? At what?

I'd say Reinbacher, and Lindstrom would be better options than Mailloux and neither one is a better option then Struble.

Don't get the fascination some of you have for Struble? Are you guys just burner accounts for Kent Hughes? Struble should've been traded instead of Kovacevic.

Struble can fit the job if he plays a goog game. I barely agree, not quite satisfy of his game lately.

Don't get it. He's Jordan Harris with a six-pack.

I would take Engstrom over Mailloux at this point. Better skater, solid offence, way better D and plays both sides.

However Engstrom's an LD whereas Mailloux' an RD. I know, I know Engstrom has often played on the right side for the Rocket.

My preferred change would be to acquire Pulock and put him with Guhle. That pairing would be strong defensively, stout physically, and also have some good transition ability if we gave Pulock a longer leash than he gets with the Islanders.

Sure and all Long Island will ask for is... Kaiden Guhle.

The picks this year, future picks, Hage, Engstrom, Xhekaj, Beck, Kapanen, and everything else should be fair-game if it gets us a young-ish 2C and/or a young-ish top-4 D (preferably RD).

No to trading Hage, Xhekaj or Beck unless something wows us. We need a legit Left shooting 2nd line Centre and a solid RD but to get those we shouldn't trade the ones we have. We should always have a spare or two. That's why trading Kovacevic was so foolish. We traded away an RD when we only had a broken down Savard penciled in. We should be trading from positions of strength. To get that LSC and RD we should put up LD's, Goalies, Wingers and Picks.

As for Gorges, yes he was pretty much average defensively. He just happened to be average at the thing he was best at, so maybe you’re remembering him as better than he was because of it.

Gorges was a good defensive D-Man with one major fault, he was too small and weak.

 

[Bacchus1]

People are delusional around here. He hasn’t progressed at all since being drafted, looks literally exactly the same. He was a 5th overall pick and this is a passionate fanbase, so you’re going to see tons of cope, excuses, and pie-in-the-sky fantasies about his potential. Yes, he’s had injuries, but you’d like to see some kind of progression, even if modest. Like you said, it just isn’t there. People stating the obvious are going to get attacked though, for the aforementioned reasons. f*** it though; it’s fair to point it out.

If he can’t produce in the AHL, he sure as hell won’t in the NHL. It’s seriously looking like his NHL upside is a slightly taller RHD version of Josh Gorges at this point. Tbh, I think we’d be lucky to even get that out of him.

He has been injured much of his d2, and during his d1 he was on a weak/strange team. Before he got hurt he was a serious contender to make the Habs. Since his return to action he has shown promise.

I’m hoping he has a long playoff series, and the works on fitness/strength over the summer and comes out to solidify a place in the top 4 for the Habs.

Wishing or fearing anything else is just a waste of time.

If he makes the habs and shows grit, poise, and some scoring… will Mailloux showing us the same, and Xhekaj working on shutdown pk, we could have a real young strong D core for the next 10 years.

 

[Garbageyuk]

He has been injured much of his d2, and during his d1 he was on a weak/strange team. Before he got hurt he was a serious contender to make the Habs. Since his return to action he has shown promise.

I’m hoping he has a long playoff series, and the works on fitness/strength over the summer and comes out to solidify a place in the top 4 for the Habs.

Wishing or fearing anything else is just a waste of time.

If he makes the habs and shows grit, poise, and some scoring… will Mailloux showing us the same, and Xhekaj working on shutdown pk, we could have a real young strong D core for the next 10 years.

I acknowledged he’s had injuries if you’d actually read the post you replied to.

 

[Kojo]

Reinbacher was almost NHL ready before his injury and now he still look NHL ready after the injury. His progress has stagnated but he still look like an NHL player. He gained 5-10lbs of muscles too, that guy shouldn't be underestimated.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Who said it’s strictly a points approach? He look mediocre defensively in Laval as well, is not particularly effective physically, doesn’t have a big shot, etc. And points will always be part of it, like it or not.

Again, a Reinbacher that doesn’t produce points is just a taller RHD Josh Gorges - a guy who is below average to average defensively on his best nights, is not physically imposing, is not a shooting threat, but can eat up 20 relatively quiet minutes most of the time. Not a terrible thing to have, but for a 5th overall pick? Yikes.

Are you sure you are watching Rocket games?

The Josh Gorges narrative tells us where your head is at. Deflating game.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Adequate? At what?



Don't get the fascination some of you have for Struble? Are you guys just burner accounts for Kent Hughes? Struble should've been traded instead of Kovacevic.



Don't get it. He's Jordan Harris with a six-pack.



However Engstrom's an LD whereas Mailloux' an RD. I know, I know Engstrom has often played on the right side for the Rocket.



Sure and all Long Island will ask for is... Kaiden Guhle.



No to trading Hage, Xhekaj or Beck unless something wows us. We need a legit Left shooting 2nd line Centre and a solid RD but to get those we shouldn't trade the ones we have. We should always have a spare or two. That's why trading Kovacevic was so foolish. We traded away an RD when we only had a broken down Savard penciled in. We should be trading from positions of strength. To get that LSC and RD we should put up LD's, Goalies, Wingers and Picks.



Gorges was a good defensive D-Man with one major fault, he was too small and weak.

No burner account here, just a person with eyes and a brain. Keeping Struble over Kovy was the right call though that’s not what I posted or stated. So you inventing a whole entire scenario in your post makes it even less credible, even for a Kovy fanboy.

Struble is 4 years younger, more mobile, tougher, had higher ppg and wasn’t called out by his coach for not playing better.

But I digress and standby that Stuble was a better option than Mailloux in game 3 of the Stanley Cup playoffs. Can’t even believe someone would assert he wouldn’t be. Hahahahah

 

[bcv]

Where did I say I did?

Don’t try to gaslight us. You just said he was a taller Josh Gorges.

 

[viceroy]

No burner account here, just a person with eyes and a brain. Keeping Struble over Kovy was the right call though that’s not what I posted or stated. So you inventing a whole entire scenario in your post makes it even less credible, even for a Kovy fanboy.

Struble is 4 years younger, more mobile, tougher, had higher ppg and wasn’t called out by his coach for not playing better.

But I digress and standby that Stuble was a better option than Mailloux in game 3 of the Stanley Cup playoffs. Can’t even believe someone would assert he wouldn’t be. Hahahahah

Kovacevic fanboi? WTF? The guy was a bottom pairing RD. But a legit RD. Struble's an LD. Don't know if you knew that. We were hard up for RD, still are. Hughes decided to protect his "sonny boy" and traded away Kovacevic instead whilst we still didn't have our RD sussed out. Neither Reinbacher nor Mailloux were properly vetted as NHL-level RD's which left us with nigh-infirm David Savard as our sole, barely NHL-level, RD.

Why the F do some of you have such a hard-on for Struble? He's just a ripped version of Jordan Harris. At least Kovacevic had the size to be able to clear the front of his net. Struble is not tough enough for the NHL.

 

[Miller Time]

No burner account here, just a person with eyes and a brain. Keeping Struble over Kovy was the right call though that’s not what I posted or stated. So you inventing a whole entire scenario in your post makes it even less credible, even for a Kovy fanboy.

Struble is 4 years younger, more mobile, tougher, had higher ppg and wasn’t called out by his coach for not playing better.

But I digress and standby that Stuble was a better option than Mailloux in game 3 of the Stanley Cup playoffs. Can’t even believe someone would assert he wouldn’t be. Hahahahah

Some posters don't seem to grasp that NHL rosters are not built like all star skills competition teams.

The role depth players play is very poorly understood by many.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Kovacevic fanboi? WTF? The guy was a bottom pairing RD. But a legit RD. Struble's an LD. Don't know if you knew that. We were hard up for RD, still are. Hughes decided to protect his "sonny boy" and traded away Kovacevic instead whilst we still didn't have our RD sussed out. Neither Reinbacher nor Mailloux were properly vetted as NHL-level RD's which left us with nigh-infirm David Savard as our sole, barely NHL-level, RD.

Why the F do some of you have such a hard-on for Struble? He's just a ripped version of Jordan Harris. At least Kovacevic had the size to be able to clear the front of his net. Struble is not tough enough for the NHL.

Incorrect. Reinbacher was very much expected to make the Habs lineup but had his knee injury in preseason.

Let’s discuss reality and not whatever fantasy world you’ve created to convince yourself of your version of the facts.

 

[DAChampion]

Who said it’s strictly a points approach? He look mediocre defensively in Laval as well, is not particularly effective physically, doesn’t have a big shot, etc. And points will always be part of it, like it or not.

Again, a Reinbacher that doesn’t produce points is just a taller RHD Josh Gorges - a guy who is below average to average defensively on his best nights, is not physically imposing, is not a shooting threat, but can eat up 20 relatively quiet minutes most of the time. Not a terrible thing to have, but for a 5th overall pick? Yikes.

You're correct that every defensemen needs to be able to produce offensively.

Even Josh Gorges got 15 points a year.

 

[Habs]

He could literally be like Dach with this stupid knee injury. He hasn't shown enough to demonstrate he's making the NHL next year, so it's worrying we may still have to look for the magical RHD years later

 

[bleuetbio]

Agree that Reinbacher doesnt look like a physical element, but I suspect it has been part of what we ask him to be for now because his injury, like minimize all risk possible and still a great contributor for the team. Point expressed par @Garbageyuk was legit. He did a lot of errors recently and this is why he's just important to play hockey and continue to learn and be better but he did also a looooooot of greats plays. On the long run, Im sure he's gonna bring some physical aspect in game.

We still not sure if he's gonna be a NHLer on October next year. After all, we still have to test an 2 years older Logan Mailloux to the Pros whic would help Reinbacher to see more action in offense.

 

[Paradoxe]

Kovacevic fanboi? WTF? The guy was a bottom pairing RD. But a legit RD. Struble's an LD. Don't know if you knew that. We were hard up for RD, still are. Hughes decided to protect his "sonny boy" and traded away Kovacevic instead whilst we still didn't have our RD sussed out. Neither Reinbacher nor Mailloux were properly vetted as NHL-level RD's which left us with nigh-infirm David Savard as our sole, barely NHL-level, RD.

Why the F do some of you have such a hard-on for Struble? He's just a ripped version of Jordan Harris. At least Kovacevic had the size to be able to clear the front of his net. Struble is not tough enough for the NHL.

Man, all those rants on Protz's, Reinbacher's, and others' player threads all about Struble. I think you like him more than what you're saying!

Now let's go back to Reinbacher, please!

 

[Paradoxe]

Agree that Reinbacher doesnt look like a physical element, but I suspect it has been part of what we ask him to be for now because his injury, like minimize all risk possible and still a great contributor for the team. Point expressed par @Garbageyuk was legit. He did a lot of errors recently and this is why he's just important to play hockey and continue to learn and be better but he did also a looooooot of greats plays. On the long run, Im sure he's gonna bring some physical aspect in game.

We still not sure if he's gonna be a NHLer on October next year. After all, we still have to test an 2 years older Logan Mailloux to the Pros whic would help Reinbacher to see more action in offense.

If you look at most youngsters, Habs management/coaching staff want them to play D instead of whacking everything around. Guhle, Struble, and even Xhekaj had to take that path to learn the cycle. Reinbacher will have to do the same. Then he will be free to hit if he feels the need.

 

[DAChampion]

I think it's clear that Reinbacher has greater potential than Mailloux, and that he's already more NHL ready.

But there is a credible case for Mailloux to get a shot with the big team first, as Mailloux has already had a lot of time in the AHL. Reinbacher can probably learn and benefit a lot from playing the first 30 games in the AHL next year and playing on both ES and the PP and 6on5 and 5on6.

 

[Paradoxe]

I think it's clear that Reinbacher has greater potential than Mailloux, and that he's already more NHL ready.

But there is a credible case for Mailloux to get a shot with the big team first, as Mailloux has already had a lot of time in the AHL. Reinbacher can probably learn and benefit a lot from playing the first 30 games in the AHL next year and playing on both ES and the PP and 6on5 and 5on6.

I think that both are going to fight hard for a spot at the camp!

 

[Miller Time]

I think that both are going to fight hard for a spot at the camp!

Indeed. Short of the Habs adding 2 veteran RD upgrades this offseason, there's going to be at least 1 RD spot up for grabs at camp and if both Mailloux & RB are still with the Habs, I'm sure each of them will be coming to camp with the intention of forcing their way into the opening day roster.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Don’t try to gaslight us. You just said he was a taller Josh Gorges.

Nope, don’t try that BS. Be fair here. I never made any predictions or definitive statements. I said “looking like”, and “a Reinbacher that doesn’t produce points is.. “. Those are speculation/opinions and were presented as such.

Meanwhile, the other person stated “Reinbacher is going to be the Habs second best defenseman very soon”. That’s a definitive, emphatic statement presented as fact.

Big difference.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Are you sure you are watching Rocket games?

The Josh Gorges narrative tells us where your head is at. Deflating game.

Are you? Seriously, you’re telling me that Reinbacher hasn’t made a lot of mistakes?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Are you? Seriously, you’re telling me that Reinbacher hasn’t made a lot of mistakes?

I get it, you want him to shine right away like Hutson and Demidov or Caufield. He's not like them and is more of a long term development prospect at RD.

It could end up being another Kotkaniemi frustration but this time around, our management is not rushing him to the NHL. Let him develop in piece. He's not struggling as much as the narrative you are presenting.

Of course he is making mistakes... he's only played 21 AHL games. Give the kid a break.

 

[BLONG7]

I get it, you want him to shine right away like Hutson and Demidov or Caufield. He's not like them and is more of a long term development prospect at RD.

It could end up being another Kotkaniemi frustration but this time around, our management is not rushing him to the NHL. Let him develop in piece. He's not struggling as much as the narrative you are presenting.

Of course he is making mistakes... he's only played 21 AHL games. Give the kid a break.

Think Dallas........and Thomas Harley. 3 years in the AHL and now they have a star Dman on their hands.
Patience is a tough one for most habs fans.
Development is a slippery slope and not everyone moves forward as quickly as we would like.

 

[Tyson]

Think Dallas........and Thomas Harley. 3 years in the AHL and now they have a star Dman on their hands.
Patience is a tough one for most habs fans.
Development is a slippery slope and not everyone moves forward as quickly as we would like.

Great example ! I watched Harley when he was in the AHL, Dallas was patient and it paid off.