Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Get Well Soon Edition

[Michelangelo]

You say tbh but you're not honest. He hasn't played a game in the NHL yet, so it's impossible to know until he plays.

Impossible to know indeed, but still an doable exercise if you consider the information available to date

Is it really a hot take though? This 2023 redraft has Reinbacher at 15: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5708066/2024/10/15/nhl-redraft-2023-bedard-michkov-fantilli/

 

[ReHabs]

Reinbacher wouldn't even go top 10 in a 2023 redraft tbh

He was ranked as low as the 20s toward the Draft Day lists. That doesn't mean other circumstances didn't come up to change the draft order -- by all accounts most teams were enticed by his package + position + handedness.

If he's as smart and focussed as his prospect reputation, he should be a fine pick at 5OA (in a vacuum). Skipping on Michkov (high upside offense) and Leonard (skilled, powerful forward) to pick him is another story.

Reino is a late birthdate player and he was playing in Europe. Those are literally the hardest players to scout in their draft season. He was not eligible for those U18 tournaments who are heavily scouted by NHL and it is extremely difficult to compare players who play totally different level of hockey e.g. Swiss men league, Allsvenskan (2nd mens league in SWE), MHL (RUS juniors), etc.

The difficulty to scout doesn't mean only Hughes and Bobrov have the magic tools to get it right. If they're hard to get a read on, it means precisely that and nothing more. Hard to get a read on = hard to get it right.

Reino (good nickname, better than Orville) can be a welcome addition to the team by all accounts and help propel the Habs forward so we'll see how it shakes out but I'm not expecting him to have a better career than Michkov. At this point it seems unfair to the Habs and the player alike.

 

[Guy Larose]

Impossible to know indeed, but still an doable exercise if you consider the information available to date

Is it really a hot take though? This 2023 redraft has Reinbacher at 15: 2023 NHL re-draft: Connor Bedard, Adam Fantilli, Leo Carlsson lead the class

That's not how a redraft works. You need metrics for comparables. A lot of players from that draft class haven't even played a game in the NHL yet.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Reinbacher wouldn't even go top 10 in a 2023 redraft tbh

That has a lot to do with his injury and taking away development games. I was not high on the Reinbacher pick but he is that rare big RD body with very good skating. Those are sought after and we were not the only ones who wanted Reinbacher.

When I look at that 2023 list (today), I can see 5 or 6 guys that would go before Reinbacher and then it's very subjective. There is no way to prove any feeling on this today. It's way too early to act on any credible context.

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In a blow out win I would say it wasn't his best game but not bad either.

I like Fowler just like any other Habs fan but he is on a stacked team. Difficult to evaluate him on his stats IMO. The other goalie has very good stats in 3 games as well.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Impossible to know indeed, but still an doable exercise if you consider the information available to date

Is it really a hot take though? This 2023 redraft has Reinbacher at 15: 2023 NHL re-draft: Connor Bedard, Adam Fantilli, Leo Carlsson lead the class

Gonna cite a list from the dude who put Hutson's compete and puck skills as average?

Pronman is an idiot, there's no one taking Danielson over Reinbacher. Reinbacher outpaced his production as a defenseman last year, in the AHL.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I'm sure it isn't the right thread for it, but I had Reinbacher 10th I believe in 2023. Of guys I had ahead of him, I think Wood is probably the only one who I'd drop below him at this point. Of guys behind him, there are a fair amount who I could see jumping him in the next little while (Willander, Cristall, Musty, Ritchie), as well as one who I believe has passed him at this point (ASP).

All works out for a net redraft at 10 for me anyway, with Bedard, Michkov, Carlsson, Fantilli, Leonard, Smith, Benson, Perreault, and ASP ahead of him in my eyes.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Not in the same league? No top 10 hype at all?

• McKenzie Midterm Rankings 2025: Hensley No 11
• McKenzie Midterm Rankings 2023: Reinbacher No 20.

I keep hearing how it makes perfect sense that a RD gets pick earlier than he should...why wouldn't a guy who is ahead of where Reinbacher was at the same period not be a top 10 player?

I personnally, I don't. 'Cause i never value position ahead of BPA. But we are not NHL teams right? Nobody saw Reinbacher at 5. At best, McKenzie final list at him at 8.Would you have said the same thing in 2023? If I would have said that I didn't want Reinbacher at 5....that there was no way we'd do it as there wasn't top 10 hype at all? And yet....

I called Reinbacher months in advance for us, was so obvious the Habs would take him

It was either Reinbacher, an undersized forward, a LD, a Russian, a bigger reach than Reinbacher, or another Slovak.

We were't willing to take a Russian so high in the draft so Reinbacher became the only realistic option given the circumstances.

I think Hughes would've taken him above Will Smith too because he was too close to him.

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Feb 22, 2023

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We just beat NYI, EDM and NJD. We play the shitty Flyers on the weekend, we win that and we are 2 pts behind with 2 games in hand. Once we pass Philadelphia, we won't get ahead of them again. Blues are scorching everything down and sucking worse than most other teams.

Really dire spot. If we had played as we should have, we'd be at 47 pts tied with SJS and 1 game in hand.

f***ing idiots.

I have faith that the lottery portion of it is rigged either way so I don't much care about the odds, and unless we're top-3 I don't think it really matters since we won't be...

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[1000eeer]

Reinbacher might actually pan out as a solid two-way defenseman (30-35-40 pts).

Though I don't get why taking so much risk picking him instead of Ryan Leonard. We have a lot a success drafting from the USNTDP and Leonard was a sure shot.

I'm not sure our scouting staff get the notion of risk/reward and the importance of drafting BPA.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Reinbacher might actually pan out as a solid two-way defenseman (30-35-40 pts).

Though I don't get why taking so much risk picking him instead of Ryan Leonard. We have a lot a success drafting from the USNTDP and Leonard was a sure shot.

I'm not sure our scouting staff get the notion of risk/reward and the importance of drafting BPA.

Reinbacher's profile isn't a lot of risk. You are getting a NHL right shot defenseman at minimum.

They understood that you rarely get a shot to get a Reinbacher's package, so when you get it, you better take it.

Leonard's a great player but who many wingers do we need? Our RD position would be beyond dire without the Reinbacher selection and Leonard already would be finding it difficult for PP time with Suzuki, Demidov, Slafkovsky, Caufield and Laine in the mix.

 

[Whitesnake]

2019 mid season ranking, Moritz Seider 21th OV.

Not sure what your point is......not saying that mid term is the bible. Not even saying that final rankings are..lol. Just saying that you cannot with the info you have compare a guy who is D-1 with a guy who is D+2....Hensler has the size (though he plays small), the speed and CLEARLY the position to be enticing. I just don't believe he has any offensive to his game whatsoever. But that could improve I guess. He just..never did.

Reinbacher wouldn't even go top 10 in a 2023 redraft tbh

A little unfair as the guy hasn't played this year........

 

[1000eeer]

Reinbacher's profile isn't a lot of risk. You are getting a NHL right shot defenseman at minimum.

They understood that you rarely get a shot to get a Reinbacher's package, so when you get it, you better take it.

Leonard's a great player but who many wingers do we need? Our RD position would be beyond dire without the Reinbacher selection and Leonard already would be finding it difficult for PP time with Suzuki, Demidov, Slafkovsky, Caufield and Laine in the mix.

But in terms of risk/reward, you're of the opinion that Reinbacher risk/reward profile was more enticing than Leonard's profile?

Is that what you're saying?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Reinbacher might actually pan out as a solid two-way defenseman (30-35-40 pts).

Though I don't get why taking so much risk picking him instead of Ryan Leonard. We have a lot a success drafting from the USNTDP and Leonard was a sure shot.

I'm not sure our scouting staff get the notion of risk/reward and the importance of drafting BPA.

Pretty sure they liked Leonard a lot but decided to go after that big mobile top 4RD pick. It might play out well for us if he reaches his ceiling. You don't find these types in UFA or trades very often. It's still one of the rarest pieces to acquire.

This was a need type pick. A reach like Kotkaniemi but those reaches don't always fail. We will see

Leonard looks very good but he has to turn pro before we know for sure. With Reinbacher, we didn't get to see how he would look this season. Not yet anyways. It's very early to know or act like we know

 

[WeThreeKings]

But in terms of risk/reward, you're of the opinion that Reinbacher risk/reward profile was more enticing than Leonard's profile?

Is that what you're saying?

I'm saying that when you are splitting the difference between two relatively equal prospects, you go with the more scarce resource.

If you have a chance at a mobile, big, rangy, right shot defenseman with great character traits and just broke the record for most points by a draft eligible PLAYER not DEFENSEMAN, PLAYER in the NLA vs a sub 6'0 winger who plays a very physical game.. you are going to take the right shot defenseman.

Saying they didn't choose BPA is just forum short hand for 'they didn't take the player currently performing the best that was available at that slot'; which is a pretty cheap thing to be thinking when his AHL debut was very very good and he hasn't been able to play due to an injury.

A lot of crow will be eaten on Reinbacher.

 

[1000eeer]

To be clear, I'm not bashing on Reinbacher.

My first sentence was : `` Reinbacher might actually pan out as a solid two-way defenseman (30-35-40 pts). ``

I'm just putting the notion of risk/reward into perspective. It has nothing to do with Leonard's recent performance. At that point in time (draft year), he had a better risk/reward ratio than Reinbacher's. That's all..

It's like when we picked Mesar instead of Kulich in 2022. My point has nothing to do with recent performance. Kulich had a better risk/reward ratio than Mesar... So why on earth would you pick Mesar lol? Just to look fancy?

Just as picking Ivan Ryabkin instead of picking Malcom Spence would be stupid as hell.

 

[tazsub3]

That's not how a redraft works. You need metrics for comparables. A lot of players from that draft class haven't even played a game in the NHL yet.

Agrée in general for a redraft to be worth the evaluation , a bigger sample size is needed

 

[WeThreeKings]

To be clear, I'm not bashing on Reinbacher.

My first sentence was : `` Reinbacher might actually pan out as a solid two-way defenseman (30-35-40 pts). ``

I'm just putting the notion of risk/reward into perspective. It has nothing to do with Leonard's recent performance. At that point in time (draft year), he had a better risk/reward ratio than Reinbacher's. That's all..

It's like when we picked Mesar instead of Kulich in 2022. My point has nothing to do with recent performance. Kulich had a better risk/reward ratio than Mesar... So why on earth would you pick Mesar lol? Just to look fancy?

Just as picking Ivan Ryabkin instead of picking Malcom Spence would be stupid as hell.

If you put risk/reward into perspective, Reinbacher is still going to grade out at the time of the draft to be the biggest reward of the two players. A top pairing right shot defenseman with size is a far more valuable asset than the highest projection of Leonard's upside.

I also don't think Mesar over Kulich is anything more than a differing of opinion on which player you like better. Kulich recent performances aren't anything to write home about. It's whether you want a speedy, puck carrying, high end playmaker, vs. the sit and snipe winger with pro size.

Picking Reinbacher over Leonard was likely going to be the choice of most of the league, so trying to say it wasn't BPA, or that it was a mild reacher, or anything else, it's just not good analysis. Reinbacher is the pick to make in that circumstance and they made it. Doesn't mean that Leonard can't end up more valuable in the end because Reinbacher didn't meet his upside and Leonard did.

 

[Playmaker09]

The 2023 draft is the biggest what if in the rebuild.
Any plans we may have had were completely derailed by Pittsburgh losing their final game to Chicago, allowing Florida to sneak into the playoffs and eventually reach the finals.

We could easily have walked away with Reinbacher/Moore/Wahlberg instead of throwing those picks away for Newhook or it's possible having the 15th pick makes them less desperate to select a D at 5 knowing they can get someone like ASP or Willander potentially. Then you'd have Leonard/Benson/Dvorsky, ASP, Wahlberg/Strbak.

 

[rahad]

The 2023 draft is the biggest what if in the rebuild.
Any plans we may have had were completely derailed by Pittsburgh losing their final game to Chicago, allowing Florida to sneak into the playoffs and eventually reach the finals.

We could easily have walked away with Reinbacher/Moore/Wahlberg instead of throwing those picks away for Newhook or it's possible having the 15th pick makes them less desperate to select a D at 5 knowing they can get someone like ASP or Willander potentially. Then you'd have Leonard/Benson/Dvorsky, ASP, Wahlberg/Strbak.

That win also changed Chicago fate. They would have finished in the bottom with 57 pts and end up drafting second overall. Bedard would have been drafted by Columbus. Great ''What if'' Episode for the NHL lol.

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[Habs Halifax]

When do we think Reinbacher plays a game this year? Seems to be close?

Heineman should be returning soon too right?