Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Get Well Soon Edition

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There is nothing wrong with projecting a Petry-like future with Reinbacher. Could happen. The issue is that you were super confident in your prediction off of very limited observation.

Notice how @montreal, who has watched him far more, includes a lot of qualified uncertainty with his projection.
How do you know anything about how much I’ve seen him play? Are you in my walls? You don’t know me.

I said I see him as a Petry style #2/3. Clearly that is based off of watching him play.

Unless you would prefer me to qualify every post with “I can’t be 100% sure”. It’s weird how you took personal exception with me for doing the same thing as everyone else.

Just add me to the ignore list if it hurts you so bad to see Reinbacher rightfully compared to Petry.

And @montreal agrees with me because I’ve watched his videos lol, I suggest you do the same sometime
 
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He seems to be a bit ahead of schedule in his recovery eh?

It's been almost 4 months since the surgery and they said 5 to 6 months estimated recovery time. It's encouraging to see him skating with the team already, even with the non-contact jersey. Maybe we'll see him shed that non-contact jersey in the next couple of weeks.
 
He seems to be a bit ahead of schedule in his recovery eh?

It's been almost 4 months since the surgery and they said 5 to 6 months estimated recovery time. It's encouraging to see him skating with the team already, even with the non-contact jersey. Maybe we'll see him shed that non-contact jersey in the next couple of weeks.
I hope he’s had some benefit being with the team all year even if he isn’t playing. That’s one silver lining to the injury as it is a good opportunity to get him established in the locker with players and coaches that he wouldn’t have had otherwise
 
It was supremely lame how much attention we gave to the <1% of the population who were actually sending him mean things.

Not to trivialize it, but it just wasn’t that big of a deal. News flash, every high profile athlete has to deal with mean comments, and NHL players deal with far less than other athletes.

To turn what was said about Reinbacher by a few very bad people into a news story was 100% the wrong way to go about things and just further instilled a victim mentality for this organization and player. Turning it into a big thing as the media did only served to the benefit of the people making the comments, because they got exactly what they wanted.

Remember when the Knicks drafted Kristaps Porzingis?? He received 10x the hate Reinbacher got and turned into a fan favorite the same season. They didn’t baby him because guess what, it may not be fun but it’s part of the lifestyle and New York is a hard place to play in, similar to Montreal.

To be successful in New York or Montreal you need to be able to handle the pressure and cancel out the outside noise. That doesn’t mean the mean people are right, just that you have to ignore it and they will come around. The media should NOT be making it worse by seeking out mean comments to report back to him.
This is some of the stupidest shit I've ever read. Trying to make sending death threats to athlete ok....what an embarrassment.

Criticize, call out, be held accountable....no problem, that is pro sports. Telling a kid to go kill himself or a fan is going to kill you is not acceptable ever but especially in this day and age. We have the technology to track down these people who make these statements and they should be held accountable for their stupidity. Want to make death threats, deal with the consequences.
 
It was supremely lame how much attention we gave to the <1% of the population who were actually sending him mean things.

Not to trivialize it, but it just wasn’t that big of a deal. News flash, every high profile athlete has to deal with mean comments, and NHL players deal with far less than other athletes.

To turn what was said about Reinbacher by a few very bad people into a news story was 100% the wrong way to go about things and just further instilled a victim mentality for this organization and player. Turning it into a big thing as the media did only served to the benefit of the people making the comments, because they got exactly what they wanted.

Remember when the Knicks drafted Kristaps Porzingis?? He received 10x the hate Reinbacher got and turned into a fan favorite the same season. They didn’t baby him because guess what, it may not be fun but it’s part of the lifestyle and New York is a hard place to play in, similar to Montreal.

To be successful in New York or Montreal you need to be able to handle the pressure and cancel out the outside noise. That doesn’t mean the mean people are right, just that you have to ignore it and they will come around. The media should NOT be making it worse by seeking out mean comments to report back to him.

It is ALWAYS worth calling out assholes for being assholes. Don't let assholes think that its ok to be assholes.

Assuming it "further instilled a victim mentality for this organization and player" is reading into something you and I have no way of knowing. It may do that, it may lead to a chip on his shoulder and drive him to do better and it may do nothing at all. Its down to the person.

There's a difference between calling a player a bust or that they suck (although that's trash behaviour) and telling them to kill themselves.
 
This is some of the stupidest shit I've ever read. Trying to make sending death threats to athlete ok....what an embarrassment.

Criticize, call out, be held accountable....no problem, that is pro sports. Telling a kid to go kill himself or a fan is going to kill you is not acceptable ever but especially in this day and age. We have the technology to track down these people who make these statements and they should be held accountable for their stupidity. Want to make death threats, deal with the consequences.
Nobody who is a Habs fan was actually wishing death upon him. That part was incredibly overblown. It was ridiculous to give the anonymous trolls as much runway as they did. None of the people who said anything bad had to deal with any consequences, in fact I’m sure they were quite happy they got in everyone’s head.

It was toxic and there is no reason to give so much power to anonymous toxic people. Twisting it as a story about how toxic Habs fans are in general and we want our own player to kill himself was absurd, and was mostly done to mask the largely negative reaction that many rational fans had from a hockey standpoint. 99% of the criticism was about him being the wrong choice but you can’t bring that up without being lumped in with a toxic group of people that aren’t even Habs fans.

Any sort of Nazi or death threat talk was done by kids or teenagers with unsupervised internet access looking to provoke a reaction and should never have been given attention. It’s like reading the chat on a hockey stream and saying that represents all hockey fans.
 
Thanks for the take. I’m honestly surprised by it.

I watch a lot of your DR videos and I see a young defender with great skating, great gap control, a really active stick, a good first pass, and an ability to move the play the other way. I also find he he has good hockey sense and plays with a good amount of poise.

It’s hard to imagine that he doesn’t end up at least in the Guhle range of defenders with those type of tools. It’s funny because the errors that he does make reminds me of some of the struggles McDonagh had before he became an nhl defender.

But it’s good to hear these perspectives. Would you say your excitement/your assessment of DR is slightly influenced by his draft position. Had this been a defender picked at 18, would you have different judgements about his development thus far?

Oops quoted the wrong post of yours

I see the same things, which is why I have said all along that he's a lock to be an NHLer, I just don't buy the top pairing shut D that scouting reports and fans have been saying on him. I see the great skating, good gap control and active stick with a good first pass. The hockey sense is where I start to have some doubts.

When you say Guhle, do you mean as good as Guhle defensively or just overall impact? He was a top 5 pick so I fully expect him to be on Guhle's level of impact to the Habs at some point assuming the injuries aren't an issue.

As for his draft position, for sure it has an impact, I only saw a little bit of him at the wjc's before the draft so I didn't know him much but wasn't the least bit impressed with what I saw other then NHL size/skating/mobility. To me I can not stand drafting for need, I hate the idea and think it's a major mistake but they are going to get an NHLer for sure just a question of a top pairing, middle pairing or bottom pairing D as guys his size that move as well as he does and have decent puck skills are going to get some NHL games most likely.

I hope he's the next Roman Josi and if not I assume he should be able to develop into a solid top 4 D, but from what i've seen I just have concerns about his defense, but that's based off his NL games so when he's back in Laval I will be watching every shift and rooting for him to kick ass.
 
What's most interesting is trying to figure out the underlying or common factors between success cases and failures. I really hope it isn't as mystical as "the successful prospect worked harder" and "the bust didn't work hard enough". I hope there are more qualities and metrics and stats that can help make the distinction and help improve our understanding of this process -- even though it'll never be complete or perfect.

What I mean is, for example, skating. In the past you could say a prospect's skating would hold him back and be more right than wrong. By the early-2010s it was clear that skating was becoming over-emphasized in commentary spaces and the professionals and young players had by then already improved overall skating abilities a ton. Now the NHL doesn't have many "poor" skaters left and the level is higher than ever before. What is the next distinct quality that can flag a future NHLer and a future bust?

I don't agree that skating became over-emphasized, I think it's still extremely important, as skating, speed or size are often the difference between a bottom liner/tweener NHL vs AHLer.

I do struggle with skating mechanics as I was a terrible skater as I didn't start until I was 12 or so, I find it's easier to evaluate things you are good at vs the things you aren't. Take Mailloux as an example, some think it's his skating that holds him back but I don't see that as his main problem, I see someone that makes very poor decisions in his own end, much like Barron but I also see someone that at times looks lazy and gives up on plays. So am I wrong, is it his skating that holds him back? We'll see when he's back in the NHL again, and it's not like you can't improve on skating as look at DD in in the Q and then look at him years later in the NHL.

As for why players bust I think there are tons of reasons, I feel as hockey is much more mental then many like to agree and that confidence is a major factor and for SOME, when you lose it, it can be very hard to get back. I would so often complain when MB would call up a 20 year old from the AHL after they just started putting together say 4-5 good to really good games only to see them end up on the 4th line, then benched for any mistake, then press box for a week, then back to the AHL where all the sudden they look like shit. To me that's what happens when you mess with confidence. You have a rookie pro that is starting to get a feel for the league and then you put them in the deepest part of the pool and if they make even a small mistake it's press box time and the fact that they struggle upon return to the AHL at least logically one can assume that confidence is playing some part.

There are so many things that can go wrong, which is why I don't trust anyone that says at draft day or a year or two later, so and so is a bust. Development for the non high end stars is often a long process of ups and downs over several years. Fans react so emotionally to the highs and lows, if Demidov came over today and scored a hattrick he would be loved like a god and if Reinbacher struggles in the NHL he will get the same treatment Slaf got around here in his rookie year or KK got in his threads. It's like there's no middle ground, no well maybe he just needs more time and next year he will take a leap forward in his progression. So many are so quick to throw out the bust word and so many the day they are drafted high refuse to hear any bad things said.
 
To me Reinbacher is the ultimate wildcard. Like Mailloux he’s a big offensive RHD that will be forced to work a lot more than expected on the defensive side of his game because he’ll never be the top dog on offense or on the first PP. Because of Hutson and probably also Matheson. I think the Habs expected either Mailloux or RB to step in this season. It never happened.
 
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To me Reinbacher is the ultimate wildcard. Like Mailloux he’s a big offensive RHD that will be forced to work a lot more than expected on the defensive side of his game because he’ll never be the top dog on offense or on the first PP. Because of Hutson and probably also Matheson. I think the Habs expected either Mailloux or RB to step in this season. It never happened.

The difference is Reinbacher was drafted because of his high defensive ceiling.

Mailloux's defensive ceiling and floor were always huge questions marks.
 
I read most of the tweets came from one of Elon’s botfarms, but Elon didn’t really know what he was doing because he’s awkward
I know you’re joking but it got traction because a Sens Twitter page took a screenshot of some of the worst comments, and posted it as an attempt to dunk on Habs fans and make us look bad. Then hockeyfeed, the most garbage sensationalist site covered it citing only the worst garbage with no nuance or context about the situation. Now we have to hear about it forever and nobody bothers to look into it more than “Reinbacher got death threats from Habs fans who wanted Michkov” and “Habs fans think he is the second coming of Hitler and want him dead”

My point is every player gets hate comments, and if people cared they could’ve taken screenshots and tried to make hate comments about other draft picks go viral too. It was done by a Sens fan acting in bad faith trying to amplify the hate, not bring awareness to it.

There was a ton of comments angry about the selection that still wished the best for Reinbacher, but those all got lumped in with the ultra negative ones to make it seem like every Habs fan wanted him dead. It was seriously lame how we gave so much power to those people and I will stand by that.
 
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I think this guy is gonna be a stud, exactly what we need. I'm actually really excited that he seems to be well ahead of schedule and he has a chance to get a decent amount of games in before the playoffs.

He's a great skater with great mobility, pair that with what seems to be a very robust talented development team in place and I think a lot of bookmarked posts are gonna get dunked on pretty hard.
 
I think this guy is gonna be a stud, exactly what we need. I'm actually really excited that he seems to be well ahead of schedule and he has a chance to get a decent amount of games in before the playoffs.

He's a great skater with great mobility, pair that with what seems to be a very robust talented development team in place and I think a lot of bookmarked posts are gonna get dunked on pretty hard.
Long way to go before stud can be used

Hope your right though
 

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