Rumor: David Jiricek available

[Empoleon8771]

I welcome you to link a source that says any of Buium, Yurov or Wallstedt are the pieces on the table from them.

Then how exactly do you expect to pull off Jiricek? Especially in the context that we can be pretty sure that the Penguins are willing to go McGroarty for Jiricek?

Want to say no to Buium? Fine, it's costing Yurov instead. And frankly I'd take McGroarty over Yurov anyway, especially with Columbus' track record with Russian born players.

 

[AKL]

Then how exactly do you expect to pull off Jiricek? Especially in the context that we can be pretty sure that the Penguins are willing to go McGroarty for Jiricek?

I wouldn't trade any of those three prospects for McGroarty

If you want the Wild to include a McGroarty level prospect, Liam Ohgren is right there

 

[IceColdBear]

"We want one of another team's top prospect while we're unwilling to trade our own top prospects"

That seems fair to me

Honestly Buium for Jiricek straight up actually seems pretty fair on paper.

It actually is fair?

CBJ has made Jiricek available for trade, the Wild haven't made their top prospects available (according to Russo or in his opinion).

The Wild would make the best offer of pieces they're willing to trade, CBJ would be free to decline if they don't like the offer.

Most teams aren't willing to trade their key young players - CBJ has made it clear that they are willing to trade this player.

There's no guarantee another team will be willing to trade a similar piece - CBJ might be forced to take quantity (picks + lesser prospects) rather than do a one-for-one type swap - or they might have to live with a disgruntled Jiricek if no deal is made, after everyone and their mother knew they were trying to trade him.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Then how exactly do you expect to pull off Jiricek? Especially in the context that we can be pretty sure that the Penguins are willing to go McGroarty for Jiricek?

Want to say no to Buium? Fine, it's costing Yurov instead. And frankly I'd take McGroarty over Yurov anyway, especially with Columbus' track record with Russian born players.

Well there's your problem. Yurov is worth two McGroartys and Columbus currently has one of the most successful Russian contingents in the NHL.

 

[Mike Liut]

He’d fit in nicely with the Blues retool and their young core and very good prospect pool. I’m not sure who I’d part with, but their 2025 1st would be on the table to start with.

 

[Patty Ice]

my dream scenario: will smith
bracing myself for: musty + picks

middle ground: william eklund? idk

Eklund would be asking to be blacklisted by Grier.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It actually is fair?

CBJ has made Jiricek available for trade, the Wild haven't made their top prospects available (according to Russo or in his opinion).

The Wild would make the best offer of pieces they're willing to trade, CBJ would be free to decline if they don't like the offer.

Most teams aren't willing to trade their key young players - CBJ has made it clear that they are willing to trade this player.

There's no guarantee another team will be willing to trade a similar piece - CBJ might be forced to take quantity (picks + lesser prospects) rather than do a one-for-one type swap - or they might have to live with a disgruntled Jiricek if no deal is made, after everyone and their mother knew they were trying to trade him.

Which is likely going to be the outcome here if Minnesota asks for another team's top prospect while refusing to give up one of their own.

I wouldn't trade any of those three prospects for McGroarty

If you want the Wild to include a McGroarty level prospect, Liam Ohgren is right there

Ohgren is not a McGroarty level prospect.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

I welcome you to link a source that says any of Buium, Yurov or Wallstedt are the pieces on the table from them.

the thing i love about hockey trades is that all of the negotiations happen out in public in real-time, so that everyone can stay informed and know exactly who is offering what.

 

[AKL]

Ohgren is not a McGroarty level prospect.

Yes he is.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Well there's your problem. Yurov is worth two McGroartys and Columbus currently has one of the most successful Russian contingents in the NHL.

Yurov and McGroarty are ranked 3 spots apart from each other on Wheeler's rankings from June this year.

Yurov was 30 and McGroarty was 33.

Yes he is.

No he isn't.

Wheeler had McGroarty at 33 and Ohgren at 66 in his most recent top-100.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Yurov and McGroarty are ranked 4 spots apart from each other on Wheeler's rankings from June this year.



No he isn't.

Ohgren has twice McGroarty's AHL point totals in half the games.

But yeah, Scott Wheeler is the end-all-be-all arbiter of prospects.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Ohgren has twice McGroarty's AHL point totals in half the games.

But yeah, Scott Wheeler is the end-all-be-all arbiter of prospects.

Judging players based on a 10 game sample size in the AHL is about the quality of content I expect from the main boards.

 

[AKL]

Judging players based on a 10 game sample size in the AHL is about the quality of content I expect from the main boards.

Says the guy using Scott Wheeler's rankings as the source of absolute truth?

 

[IceColdBear]

Which is likely going to be the outcome here if Minnesota asks for another team's top prospect while refusing to give up one of their own.



Ohgren is not a McGroarty level prospect.

If no team is willing to give up a top prospect, CBj will have to either take the best offer of lesser pieces they get, or deal with an unhappy Jiricek.

CBJ doesn't exactly have a ton of leverage in this situation.

 

[Bond]

Is Jiricek actually good?

 

[Empoleon8771]

Says the guy using Scott Wheeler's rankings as the source of absolute truth?

I trust Scott Wheeler a hell of a lot more than I trust someone stat watching 6 AHL games of Ohgren.

 

[AKL]

I trust Scott Wheeler a hell of a lot more than I trust someone stat watching 6 AHL games of Ohgren.

Weird because Scott Wheeler didn't even watch those 6 AHL games.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If no team is willing to give up a top prospect, CBj will have to either take the best offer of lesser pieces they get, or deal with an unhappy Jiricek.

CBJ doesn't exactly have a ton of leverage in this situation.

And like I said, it sounds like the Penguins are offering McGroarty, who's a better prospect than anything beyond Buium, Wallstedt and Yurov in the Wild system.

Weird because Scott Wheeler didn't even watch those 6 AHL games.

It's almost like he has an extensive scouting background and has a lot of connections to form logical opinions.

You're not getting Jiricek if you're not giving up quality for him. Sorry to burst your bubble on that. I'm not even a Jackets fan and I realize that is the truth.

 

[Czechboy]

Pretty sure one-for-one is still the target, but if Waddell really is focused on "giving him the fresh start he wants", multi-asset deals become a little more likely. I'm hoping he's not that pushy about it, though. Still, it wouldn't be the first time with Waddell - see: Laine.

There were a number of guys who seemed grumpy at one point or another last year, and when Waddell and Evason came in nearly all of them have since gotten with the program and seem to be enjoying themselves. So he very well could be presuming that folks who are still disgruntled in any way need to move on. I wouldn't have thought Jiricek still is, but with the handling he's gotten it's not outside of the realm of possibility.

I said I'd call Jiricek an asshole when I saw the 'suspended for refusing to to go AHL' tweet. He went and played well and I haven't heard a peep about a complaint.

 

[Jovavic]

Is Jiricek actually good?

No.

It's actually kinda similar to when we traded RyJo and Dubios and posters were like "why are they trading away #1 centers, don't they need them?" And the answer then was "Of course, but these two guys aren't it"

 

[AKL]

You're not getting Jiricek if you're not giving up quality for him. Sorry to burst your bubble on that. I'm not even a Jackets fan and I realize that is the truth.

The Wild can give up just as much quality and much more quantity than Pittsburgh can without even considering Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt.

No.

It's actually kinda similar to when we traded RyJo and Dubios and posters were like "why are they trading away #1 centers, don't they need them?" And the answer then was "Of course, but these two guys aren't it"

Exactly why it's not going to take guys like Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt to get it done.

 

[Czechboy]

Don't you mean it the other way around? Hrdina was drafted 5 years after Jagr. Unless its not Jan you are speaking of.

Older one.. now a scout (for Dallas I think). He was in Calgary, twilight of his career. Came over for the run but moreso to help Jagr. Worked like a charm! Pens legend for his teensitting!

Jiří Hrdina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Wild can give up just as much quality and much more quantity than Pittsburgh can without even considering Yurov, Buium or Wallstedt.

Sure bud whatever you want to convince yourself of.

I don't even think the Penguins will pull off Jiricek for McGroarty and the Wild are sure as hell not pulling him off either without including at least Yurov.

 

[Breakers]

“Initially they had focused on trying to get another prospect like him, sort of a kind-for-kind type of deal,but they have shifted their expectations”

I’m guessing it is going to be a package

 

[Czechboy]

He’d fit in nicely with the Blues retool and their young core and very good prospect pool. I’m not sure who I’d part with, but their 2025 1st would be on the table to start with.

My god would that be awesome in a few years..

Jiricek and Bro are different sides too. Then you get Adam coming in.