Rumor: David Jiricek available

[cbjthrowaway]

i doubt very much his value is unchanged. he seems to have attracted a lot of negative waves and that gets peoples' attention and has consequences.

okay, fine, correction: his value on internet message boards has changed, because we're a group of folks who get distracted by jingling keys.

among NHL front offices? i doubt his long-term projection is in question because he's in the AHL at 20. those teams aren't viewing him as a finished product, either. they're buying the toolkit and have a plan to maximize it.

it's really hard to find these types of players in the draft, and exceedingly rare to see on the trade market. he's still in demand.

but he is looking to be traded, which is a red flag,

he has not requested a trade and took his demotion well.

he was frustrated last year that he wasn't getting the same deployment as nemec and korchinski. now all three guys are in the AHL.

now the frustration is coming from the agent. it's allan walsh causing problems, and the jackets seeing if it's worthwhile to resolve the problem via trade. if the value is good enough, they pull the trigger. easy as that.

 

[Juxtaposer]

If there were no problems with Jiricek, Columbus wouldn't be open to trading him. 21 year old former 6th overall pick 6'4" RHD simply aren't even in trade conversations unless there's something going on. Wild for CBJ fans to keep insisting everything is totally fine.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Lekkerimaki + something small is probably the most I’d offer.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

i doubt his long-term projection is in question because he's in the AHL at 20. those teams aren't viewing him as a finished product, either. they're buying the toolkit and have a plan to maximize it.

it's really hard to find these types of players in the draft, and exceedingly rare to see on the trade market. he's still in demand.


he has not requested a trade and took his demotion well.

 

[StreetHawk]

i doubt very much his value is unchanged. he seems to have attracted a lot of negative waves and that gets peoples' attention and has consequences. it would depend on the full story of why the negativity is out there and i guess more particularly the version of the full story that is in the hands of other teams. but he is looking to be traded, which is a red flag, and we see a situation where nhl coaching staff have refused to play him regularly in the nhl after management promotes him and at the same time there are regular updates about how upset that makes him. the coaches are running a train wreck team with nothing to lose by putting him in the line up, and everything to gain by forging a good bond with a top prospect. one possibility is these coaches are f***ing with jiricek or just do not get him. another possibility is this athlete has some attitude and professionalism issues. hard to say from the outside what is up but i'd need a lot of convincing to believe his value is unchanged.

we can see most clearly in a draft that the value of a talented player drops like a stone where there are drama/attitude/personality issues.

it sure looks to me like jiricek is a post-draft faller. the drama around him reminds me of kravtsov.

Evason and Waddel need to be on the same page. There is a reason CBJ claimed a RHD in Fabbro when available after Gudbranson went down, leaving Severson as the only RHD shot on the roster, besides Jiricek.

Keeping him and scratching him doesn't seem to make much sense. CBJ isn't NYI back when they sat Dobson for half the season to let him get stronger, as they had a solid blueline and a defensive system under Trotz.

Whatever the reason, he should be returned to the AHL (and should have been last season earlier vs having appeared in more NHL than AHL games). That part makes it sense that he doesn't want to go back down.

Again, have to think long game here. He's not on track for anything other than a QO at this point on his next contract. Whatever it takes to get him better he should do.

 

[CBJx614]

Pretty sure this isn't Columbus saying that want to rid themselves of Jiricek, it's the BJs looking to see what they could get was he's unhappy with previous management.

If the Jackets don't get their ask, or close they'll just keep him and see how things work out next season.

Waddell wanted a team to take on Laine's full contract and not take anything back and he paid a little (2nd) and got that want as he waited for it

Fixed it. There's been 0 speculation that's he's still unhappy. It's all reporting from a year ago under previous management. Ever since Waddell has taken over there hasn't been any reporting saying he's currently unhappy, there hasn't been a peep since he's been sent back down to the AHL.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

If there were no problems with Jiricek, Columbus wouldn't be open to trading him. 21 year old former 6th overall pick 6'4" RHD simply aren't even in trade conversations unless there's something going on. Wild for CBJ fans to keep insisting everything is totally fine.

columbus fans: explain multiple times in this thread exactly what has been going on

other team fans: wow it seems like there must be something going on in columbus

 

[Juxtaposer]

columbus fans: explain multiple times in this thread exactly what has been going on

other team fans: wow it seems like there must be something going on in columbus

In my experience, fans don't know shit about what's going on internally with NHL teams. I suppose Jackets fans are the exception, though!

It's an established fact that the Jackets are listening on Jiricek. My point is that you don't even LISTEN on a 21 year old former 6th overall 6'4" RHD unless there's something wrong with him.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

There is a reason CBJ claimed a RHD in Fabbro

the reason: fabbro being really good, and free

Whatever the reason, he should be returned to the AHL (and should have been last season earlier vs having appeared in more NHL than AHL games). That part makes it sense that he doesn't want to go back down.

my understanding is that jiricek wants to be playing, whether that's in columbus, cleveland or elsewhere. even when he was in the lineup he was playing like 10 minutes a night, but that's not uniquely a jiricek problem (harris played like 9 minutes the other night).

evason's been riding the top two pairs hard (werenski's getting like 27+ minutes a night, and the other top four guys are all at 24ish).

the guy who has a problem here isn't jiricek, it's allan walsh.

Again, have to think long game here. He's not on track for anything other than a QO at this point on his next contract. Whatever it takes to get him better he should do.

…what? lol he has two more ELC years left. and would absolutely get a bridge deal by then.

 

[WTG]

If that random, unconfirmed, anonymous, take with a huge grain of salt, rumor about the Canucks trading a big prospect and a first is true then something I think around Lekkerimaki and a first would seem rather reasonable.

A-Prospect + mid/late first. I don't know if Columbus would feel about this. But it could very well be Willander too if Columbus wants a straight swap.

I just don't understand why Columbus would want futures though, maybe a Columbus fan can elaborate. But from an outsider perspective I have no idea why Columbus would be interested in anything else but being competitive and giving their core a chance at some playoff games.

 

[Phrasing]

In my experience, fans don't know shit about what's going on internally with NHL teams. I suppose Jackets fans are the exception, though!

It's an established fact that the Jackets are listening on Jiricek. My point is that you don't even LISTEN on a 21 year old former 6th overall 6'4" RHD unless there's something wrong with him.

I think they’re discovering that he hasn’t developed as they thought and want to maximize his value now as they’re unlikely to see a final product on ice that is commensurate with his draft position. Wouldn’t be the first time a player is taken high in a draft for their combination of size and skill, only to not be able to put it together because the games moves faster than they can play it or is unable to accurately self-evaluate and grow or be coachable.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

In my experience, fans don't know shit about what's going on internally with NHL teams. I suppose Jackets fans are the exception, though!

in my experience, fans know even less about teams they don't follow. i suppose the rest of y'all are the exception, though!

 

[SensFactor]

Shane Pinto. Lets do this

 

[Juxtaposer]

I think they’re discovering that he hasn’t developed as they thought and want to maximize his value now as they’re unlikely to see a final product on ice that is commensurate with his draft position. Wouldn’t be the first time a player is taken high in a draft for their combination of size and skill, only to not be able to put it together because the games moves faster than they can play it or is unable to accurately self-evaluate and grow or be coachable.

Sort of what I'm implying. It certainly feels like Jackets management doesn't really think very highly of Jiricek and maybe they're trying to get value on him before the rest of the NHL sours on him too.

in my experience, fans know even less about teams they don't follow. i suppose the rest of y'all are the exception, though!

Certainly. But it's been reported by many reliable NHL reporters that Columbus has been listening on Jiricek. I believe that more than the gut feelings of random fans on HF Boards dot com.

You keep dodging the point. The point is that if Columbus like Jiricek and believed in him, they would not be listening to trade offers on him.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

I think they’re discovering that he hasn’t developed as they thought and want to maximize his value now as they’re unlikely to see a final product on ice that is commensurate with his draft position.

jiricek needs to play big minutes and there isn't an opportunity to do that in columbus right now. they gave him an opportunity and he didn't run with it, but that doesn't mean his development is behind schedule.

when nemec and korchinski got sent down it was met with "yeah good for those guys' development" but when it's jiricek – who was drafted in between those two – it's a sign that he's not progressing? yeah right.

the only reason he's available is because he's 1) not waddell's draft pick and 2) his agent is creating headaches. but available doesn't mean they're actively trying to move him.

 

[Grinner]

Where would message boards be without conjecture

 

[LuLover96]

If that random, unconfirmed, anonymous, take with a huge grain of salt, rumor about the Canucks trading a big prospect and a first is true then something I think around Lekkerimaki and a first would seem rather reasonable.

A-Prospect + mid/late first. I don't know if Columbus would feel about this. But it could very well be Willander too if Columbus wants a straight swap.

I just don't understand why Columbus would want futures though, maybe a Columbus fan can elaborate. But from an outsider perspective I have no idea why Columbus would be interested in anything else but being competitive and giving their core a chance at some playoff games.

It won't be Lekkerimaki, Tocchet loves the player and he's extremely promising for this team. If the cost is a first and one of our top two prospects (Lekk, Willander) then I hope we back out. I'd rather see what we have with our guys.

 

[Phrasing]

jiricek needs to play big minutes and there isn't an opportunity to do that in columbus right now. they gave him an opportunity and he didn't run with it, but that doesn't mean his development is behind schedule.

when nemec and korchinski got sent down it was met with "yeah good for those guys' development" but when it's jiricek – who was drafted in between those two – it's a sign that he's not progressing? yeah right.

the only reason he's available is because he's 1) not waddell's draft pick and 2) his agent is creating headaches. but available doesn't mean they're actively trying to move him.

Not sure who you’re angry at here. I’m just guessing as to why he might be available and what CBJ might be thinking.

 

[cbjthrowaway]

Sort of what I'm implying. It certainly feels like Jackets management doesn't really think very highly of Jiricek and maybe they're trying to get value on him before the rest of the NHL sours on him too.


Certainly. But it's been reported by many reliable NHL reporters that Columbus has been listening on Jiricek. I believe that more than the gut feelings of random fans on HF Boards dot com.

You keep dodging the point. The point is that if Columbus like Jiricek and believed in him, they would not be listening to trade offers on him.

"thinking highly of a guy" and "seeing what the market will offer for that guy" are not mutually exclusive things. columbus listening to offers isn't in dispute, either.

there's nothing "wrong" with jiricek. clearly the FO loves the guy – he started camp in the top four. they want him to play minutes and they're not going to force evason to play him over severson or fabbro. pretty simple.

but again, they can value him highly and still prefer other players to him, and try to use him as a trade chip to acquire one of those players. he's a jarmo pick. waddell can use him to get a guy he values higher. that's his job as a GM.

 

[Juxtaposer]

"thinking highly of a guy" and "seeing what the market will offer for that guy" are not mutually exclusive things. columbus listening to offers isn't in dispute, either.

there's nothing "wrong" with jiricek. clearly the FO loves the guy – he started camp in the top four. they want him to play minutes and they're not going to force evason to play him over severson or fabbro. pretty simple.

but again, they can value him highly and still prefer other players to him, and try to use him as a trade chip to acquire one of those players. he's a jarmo pick. waddell can use him to get a guy he values higher. that's his job as a GM.

We as fans love the idea of "everyone is available for an upgrade", "GMs should always listen on everyone", but real GMs don't give up on players they really like.

Again, a 6'4" RHD who is physical and has a bomb of a shot is basically the most difficult asset to get. If the Jackets really liked him, there would be absolutely nothing even slightly realistic that they'd be willing to move him for. No one is coming to the Jackets offering Connor McDavid, ergo...

 

[cbjthrowaway]

We as fans love the idea of "everyone is available for an upgrade", "GMs should always listen on everyone", but real GMs don't give up on players they really like.

that goes out the window to an extent when a new GM comes in.

if jarmo was still at the helm, he'd have more of an investment in keeping around a guy he used a high pick on. don waddell was not here when that pick was made, and likely sees a guy who he can trade to get a guy he likes more.

don waddell doesn't – and shouldn't – care if a jarmo pick looks good. he cares about assembling the best roster he can.

Again, a 6'4" RHD who is physical and has a bomb of a shot is basically the most difficult asset to get. If the Jackets really liked him, there would be absolutely nothing even slightly realistic that they'd be willing to move him for. No one is coming to the Jackets offering Connor McDavid, ergo...

he went sixth in his draft, so even with him being a unicorn asset, there were still at least five GMs who liked someone else better.

if he had locked down a top four role in the NHL, we wouldn't be having this conversation. he hasn't and is in the AHL, which is where his two most directly comparable peers (nemec + korchinski) are as well.

sure seems like waddell specifically is lower on jiricek than jarmo was. but that doesn't mean the market for jiricek as a whole is low on jiricek, or that they're all as high on him as jarmo was.

if you're an incoming GM and view a top prospect less favorably than your predecessor did, it's smart business to move that prospect to a team that does view them that favorably for assets that you like better.

again, that doesn't mean anything is 'wrong' with jiricek, just that the guy at the top has a different opinion than the last guy did.

 

[ClydeLee]

Why are you acting like this started with him being sent down.

There was value thread before this and talk of maybe he is on the market in the prospect thread. That Jiricek might be avaliable isn't nee or tird to him being NOW in the ahl.

It's not that he was sent down to the AHL. It's that he played 6 games and only 1 over 14 minutes. Multiple under 10 minutes. And just sat for over 10 games when he should of been in the AHL all along. That's why people and gms have been probably calling. Because it seems cbj

 

[Viqsi]

A team with cap room that feels it is better to give up a 2nd round pick vs retain on a contract, was odd. If cash is that tight.

At the time, we didn't have that much cap room. We had some, but not much.

Recall that the Laine trade happened before Johnny (z''l).

 

[Viqsi]

i doubt very much his value is unchanged. he seems to have attracted a lot of negative waves and that gets peoples' attention and has consequences. it would depend on the full story of why the negativity is out there and i guess more particularly the version of the full story that is in the hands of other teams. but he is looking to be traded, which is a red flag

Stopped reading here. If you're going to pontificate on a subject, familiarize yourself with it first. He has very explicitly not asked to be traded. Multiple reporters have been very, very clear on this point.

 

[McFlash97]

Coffey turned Broberg into a top 2 , Bouchard into a star, if he gets a hold of Jiricek, it could be a Trifecta. Dont know what the Oilers would offer in return though.