Dave Hakstol

[Captain Dave Poulin]

DC = facism, Marvel = anarchy.

I hate you so much right now. Unless instead of misspelling "fascism" you meant that DC is the "face of comics" and thus "facism" as you typed, in which case we can be best friends again.

 

[Adtar02]

Disappointing. I gave you a chance... but nope...

The video was perfectly clear, just like what I was asking for...



Filppula made a nice move to get in front of the net but fumbled the puck away. Then he went behind the net to try to retrieve it, swung backhand at the puck, which knocked it to a Pens defensemen, and that Pens defensemen (#8) then hit it over to Voracek. The claim was that Filppula "slid the puck to Voracek", which is a flat out lie, as proven by the video. For some reason that person refuses to admit the truth (even though they only post the facts?), so I figured you'd like a chance to prove me wrong about you, by being honest, even when it proves your best pal wrong.

So how about it? True or false: Filppula slid the puck to Voracek.

Honestly not sure how you can see it differently. Unless you close your eyes and listen.

 

[Striiker]

Honestly not sure how you can see it differently. Unless you close your eyes and listen.

Yeah, it’s a right or wrong answer... clear as day in the video.

But he just refuses to be honest because that would be admitting it was a lie from Deadhead, who he’s hitched his wagon to and decided to white knight for.

But this is perfect for me. From now on, if he says he isn’t dishonest or accuses anyone else of dishonesty, I can just link to this. His credibility is 100% destroyed.

 

[deadhead]

People hate Hakstol so much they make things up - like Hakstol getting Elliott injured:

Elliot was overplayed the first half, 34 of 42 games with Neuvirth injured, Stolarz injured, Lyon a total unknown coming off a meh AHL season, and the team in a nose dive.
But in January, he only started 7 of 13 games.
Started Jan 2nd, 4th, 6th, the end of his "iron man" regime.

Neuvirth the 7th, then the 13th, 16th, Neuvirth the 18th, Neuvirth the 20th, 21st, 23rd, Neuvirth 25th, 26th, Neuvirth 31st.

He sustained a lower body injury in the January 23 game, his 4th game in 17 days , two starts with a day off in between after 5 days rest, not exactly "overwork."

He looked just fine on the 21st and 23rd, saving 46 of 49 shots, and on Feb 6, and Feb 8th, stopping 52 of 56 shots. Then went down on Feb 10th.

Looks like the "overuse" explanation for his injury is another urban myth.
When he was used heavily he was fine, Elliott got hurt when he was given plenty of rest.

Neuvirth didn't play a back to back game before he got injured in February, either.

 

[Adtar02]

Yeah, it’s a right or wrong answer... clear as day in the video.

But he just refuses to be honest because that would be admitting it was a lie from Deadhead, who he’s hitched his wagon to and decided to white knight for.

But this is perfect for me. From now on, if he says he isn’t dishonest or accuses anyone else of dishonesty, I can just link to this. His credibility is 100% destroyed.

I mean prior to loosing the puck it was a great play by flip. Once behind the net about all he did was distract who ever was next to him.

 

[Adtar02]

People hate Hakstol so much they make things up - like Hakstol getting Elliott injured:

Elliot was overplayed the first half, 34 of 42 games with Neuvirth injured, Stolarz injured, Lyon a total unknown coming off a meh AHL season, and the team in a nose dive.
But in January, he only started 7 of 13 games.
Started Jan 2nd, 4th, 6th, the end of his "iron man" regime.

Neuvirth the 7th, then the 13th, 16th, Neuvirth the 18th, Neuvirth the 20th, 21st, 23rd, Neuvirth 25th, 26th, Neuvirth 31st.

He sustained a lower body injury in the January 23 game, his 4th game in 17 days , two starts with a day off in between after 5 days rest, not exactly "overwork."

He looked just fine on the 21st and 23rd, saving 46 of 49 shots, and on Feb 6, and Feb 8th, stopping 52 of 56 shots. Then went down on Feb 10th.

Looks like the "overuse" explanation for his injury is another urban myth.
When he was used heavily he was fine, Elliott got hurt when he was given plenty of rest.

Neuvirth didn't play a back to back game before he got injured in February, either.

Weren’t you saying you want coots pk time down so he doesn’t get injured in the other thread???

 

[Striiker]

I mean prior to loosing the puck it was a great play by flip. Once behind the net about all he did was distract who ever was next to him.

Absolutely.

This was never about bashing Filppula for that play, it was exclusively about someone lying about what happened.


Like you said, he did a good job up until he lost the puck and you can’t blame him for not winning it back when it was 1v3 behind the net.

 

[deadhead]

Guess I'm confused, exactly how did the puck travel the 15 feet to Voracek's stick.
Telekinesis?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Striiker has gone off his rocker.

Consider his exchange with me regarding this goal he keeps harping on, which for some reason he decided to bring me into the discussion out of nowhere.

Not sure what this video has to do with me.

Are you contending Filppula didn’t make a good play there? I mean, I dislike Filppula, but that was one of his best plays of the year. Voracek fed Giroux, ultimately, for the goal. I get that. But Filppula made a good play there.

Disappointing. I gave you a chance... but nope...

The video was perfectly clear, just like what I was asking for...



Filppula made a nice move to get in front of the net but fumbled the puck away. Then he went behind the net to try to retrieve it, swung backhand at the puck, which knocked it to a Pens defensemen, and that Pens defensemen (#8) then hit it over to Voracek. The claim was that Filppula "slid the puck to Voracek", which is a flat out lie, as proven by the video. For some reason that person refuses to admit the truth (even though they only post the facts?), so I figured you'd like a chance to prove me wrong about you, by being honest, even when it proves your best pal wrong.

So how about it? True or false: Filppula slid the puck to Voracek.

I already succinctly answered your truly weird question that for some reason was directed at me.

Could you quote where you answered it because I can’t seem to find it. There’s no answer in the post I responded to, so I don’t know where you hid this succinct answer.

 

[Striiker]

Does... uh... does he not realize he's proving me right...?


Y I K E S

 

[Ghosts Beer]

In my very first response to your weird question about who passed the puck to Giroux on that goal, which was utterly bizarre bringing me into that debate you were having, by the way, I said in my fourth sentence, "Voracek fed Giroux, ultimately, for the goal."

You then twice accused me of not providing an answer.

If that's not a clear answer for you, I guess you need to work on reading comprehension. Or maybe you were lying, since you like to run around the board in hysterics accusing others of intentionally lying.

 

[Striiker]

In my very first response to your weird question about who passed the puck to Giroux on that goal, which was utterly bizarre bringing me into that debate you were having, by the way, I said in my fourth sentence, "Voracek fed Giroux, ultimately, for the goal."

You then twice accused me of not providing an answer.

If that's not a clear answer for you, I guess you need to work on reading comprehension. Or maybe you were lying, since you like to run around the board in hysterics accusing others of intentionally lying.

Quote where I asked who passed the puck to Giroux.



So who’s the one embarrassing themselves? Who needs to work on reading comprehension?

No wonder you defend Hak and Hagg. You literally can’t see.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Quote where I asked who passed the puck to Giroux.



So who’s the one embarrassing themselves? Who needs to work on reading comprehension?

No wonder you defend Hak and Hagg. You literally can’t see.

So I guess I misunderstood the point you were trying to make in an argument you were having with another poster, that I wasn't paying attention to, and for some strange reason you tried to bring me into out of the blue?

Sorry (not really).

And why are you making a big deal out of the fact that Filppula didn't directly slide the puck to Voracek (who fed Giroux for the goal)? Who cares? It didn't dawn on me that something that quibbling would be what you were referring to. He still was the driving force in creating that opportunity.

 

[kudymen]

What I like about Dave Hakstol: He made me, a former TV and hockey fanatic, watch less TV - and go out more. He also made me, a former internet fanatic, read less internet forums and HFBoards - and go out more.

What i dislike about Dave Hakstol: his stench. He smells terrible.

 

[Striiker]

So I guess I misunderstood the point you were trying to make in an argument you were having with another poster, that I wasn't paying attention to, and for some strange reason you tried to bring me into out of the blue?

Sorry (not really).

And why are you making a big deal out of the fact that Filppula didn't directly slide the puck to Voracek (who fed Giroux for the goal)? Who cares? It didn't dawn on me that something that quibbling would be what you were referring to. He still was the driving force in creating that opportunity.

I asked you the question because you've so aggressively defended the dishonesty/lying from deadhead. This was proof that he did it and I wanted to see if you'd finally be willing to admit that he lies.

Regardless...

So now I assume you're willing to admit that Filppula didn't slide the puck to Voracek and that anyone who repeatedly claims he did, is flat-out lying?

Good. This is progress.

 

[ybnvs]

So I guess I misunderstood the point you were trying to make in an argument you were having with another poster, that I wasn't paying attention to, and for some strange reason you tried to bring me into out of the blue?

Sorry (not really).

And why are you making a big deal out of the fact that Filppula didn't directly slide the puck to Voracek (who fed Giroux for the goal)? Who cares? It didn't dawn on me that something that quibbling would be what you were referring to. He still was the driving force in creating that opportunity.

Either take DH's approach and ignore the kid or continue on in your futility.

He's not worth it. He is one of the most opinionated people on this forum of whom I regularly dismiss due to his extreme views and self-righteousness. Again, not worth your trouble.

 

[Striiker]

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don’t care about the drama, but opinionated is a very odd insult.

 

[Rebels57]

"You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant." - Harlan Ellison

 

[Ghosts Beer]

So now I assume you're willing to admit that Filppula didn't slide the puck to Voracek and that anyone who repeatedly claims he did, is flat-out lying?

I know you are young, and I know most people on message boards sound condescending because of the nature of the medium, and I'm as guilty as anyone in coming across arrogantly at times, but man... you really take the cake.

"So now I assume you're willing to admit that Filppula didn't slide the puck to Voracek"?

I don't like the phrasing of that question. To me, it implies that there was a time I contended Filppula *did* slide the puck to Voracek and that I am acknowledging fault, and that's disingenuous, because I never argued Filppula slid the puck to Voracek.

The only thing I had wrong, when getting dragged into the blue into an argument I wasn't paying attention to, was assuming you were talking about who passed the puck to Giroux. I acknowledge I wasn't reading that carefully, because I didn't care about whatever was going on in that debate you were having & didn't expect to get pulled into it.

So, anyway, I will say Voracek received the puck on a failed clear attempt behind the net from the Pittsburgh defenseman. But I never argued otherwise.

As for what deadhead has said about the play -- I don't know, because, as I said, I haven't been paying attention to the argument. If he thinks Filppula slid it to Voracek, that's not the way I saw it. But it seems like there's more to the story in your argument with him over the play. I haven't been following it, and I didn't even realize what exact part of the play was you were bickering over. But you seem to be trying to paint deadhead like he's some kind of inveterate liar. I don't get that read from him. I disagree with his opinions on some things, and I think he's wrong about a number of things, but I really don't think he's a vicious liar.

 

[deadhead]

"Call me Ishmael . . ."

 

[Striiker]

I know you are young, and I know most people on message boards sound condescending because of the nature of the medium, and I'm as guilty as anyone in coming across arrogantly at times, but man... you really take the cake.

Fair

"So now I assume you're willing to admit that Filppula didn't slide the puck to Voracek"?

I don't like the phrasing of that question. To me, it implies that there was a time I contended Filppula *did* slide the puck to Voracek and that I am acknowledging fault, and that's disingenuous, because I never argued Filppula slid the puck to Voracek.

OK

Would you feel better if I re-phrased it to:

"So, now that the question being asked is clear, I assume you will agree that Filppula did not slide the puck to Voracek and if someone else says that he did, they would be lying?"

The only thing I had wrong, when getting dragged into the blue into an argument I wasn't paying attention to, was assuming you were talking about who passed the puck to Giroux. I acknowledge I wasn't reading that carefully, because I didn't care about whatever was going on in that debate you were having & didn't expect to get pulled into it.

It was a simple question that I expected a simple one sentence answer to.

How could I have predicted you wouldn't read it properly? There would have been no argument if you did.

So, anyway, I will say Voracek received the puck on a failed clear attempt behind the net from the Pittsburgh defenseman. But I never argued otherwise.

As for what deadhead has said about the play -- I don't know, because, as I said, I haven't been paying attention to the argument. If he thinks Filppula slid it to Voracek, that's not the way I saw it. But it seems like there's more to the story in your argument with him over the play. I haven't been following it, and I didn't even realize what exact part of the play was you were bickering over. But you seem to be trying to paint deadhead like he's some kind of inveterate liar. I don't get that read from him. I disagree with his opinions on some things, and I think he's wrong about a number of things, but I really don't think he's a vicious liar.

Nope, it's simple.

Filppula lost the puck, the Pens defensemen knocked it to Voracek without Filppula touching it, and then Voracek passed it to Giroux. Deadhead was adamant that Filppula slid it to Voracek himself, which we both know is factually incorrect. When you say something that you know is factually incorrect, that's called lying.

He accused me of being the one who was lying, which is obviously false if you watch the video.

Voracek didn't go over to Filppula and take the puck away from him - THAT'S A LIE (Striiker parody).
Filppula fought for the puck behind the net after fumbling the scoring opportunity and slide it over to Voracek

He knocked it away from THREE Penguins, go look at the replay yourself. Talk about dishonest.

Filppula did get the puck away from two defenders, but Striiker can't give him credit even when the video demonstrates he's making stuff up.

 

[Magua]

"Call me Ishmael . . ."

Yo, Ishmael. I have to get something off my chest.

Every time I look at your profile picture I see John Lennon and Leonardo DiCaprio. Yes, yes, Grateful Dead. I know. But that picture drives me to the brink of insanity. I can’t unsee it. This has been years of quiet suffering for me.

 

[deadhead]

It's the young Jerry Garcia and Pigpen, before Jerry grew his trademark beard.



I would have loved to have been in the SF area in the mid-60s, before it got weird and everyone moved to Marin county. Came along 5 years late, missed the Electric Factory in Philly and the Armadillo in Austin. I blame my parents for bad timing, should have had me first.

It's like the Village in the early 60s, Paris in the 20s, there are little pockets of "cool" that exist for moments in history, then they dissipate like bubbles - and can't be recreated - they're spontaneous creations of time and place.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fire Hakstol.