Player Discussion Danton Heinen V (re-signed 2 years, $2.8M/yr)

[KrejciMVP]

Yet he over performed those players and some of them (Max Domi for one) got more AAV. Even your moving the goalposts doesn't jibe with reality. Can you see why someone would question your motives in this thread as not being a "news of the day" thing?

depends, how many posts do I have on this Heinen thread really discussing him and showing bias against this player.

 

[member 96824]

I'm far from a Heinen supporter, and mostly agree with sarge88 on his play. However, KrejciMVP? Dude, you are being pummeled in here, just pummeled. Stop doing this to yourself. Heinen may not be the best player in the world, and maybe I don't want him at 2.7 per, but it's a fair deal at his numbers whether I like the deal or not. To say he's a $1 million player is foolish hyperbole that only looks bad on you. Real bad.

I need my like button back

 

[jgatie]

depends, how many posts do I have on this Heinen thread really discussing him and showing bias against this player.

Does it matter? I've only been reading this thread today out of boredom, and your bias is blatant. The very fact you are taking a logical beating and keep on coming is proof of that. Any sane person would have folded a long time a ago, but you are Jake LaMotta vs Sugar Ray (except you've been knocked down dozens of times).

 

[KrejciMVP]

Does it matter? I've only been reading this thread today out of boredom, and your bias is blatant.

well I said some nice things in the FA thread this morning if you look

 

[sarge88]

I need my like button back

If you can find a way to like Danton Heinen, is there anything you wouldn't like?

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

I like Heinen's production at 1 million, that was good value and good cap hit for what he brought. If you have a salary cap team you're trying to get production at that cap hit. In any type of salary cap scenario I think spending on the stars and finding production from 1 million dollars player is useful.

serious question: how much production do you expect out of a guy making $2.8M? like how many points do they need to produce for you to think they are worth that cap hit?

 

[jgatie]

you're bullying, I tried to explain my point and you want to attack, have a nice day

So complimenting your intelligence in the vast majority of other posts you make and wondering why these don't show the same level of intelligence is now bullying?

 

[member 96824]

If you can find a way to like Danton Heinen, is there anything you wouldn't like?

Well for one, I’m not very fond of Montreal fans masquerading as Bruins fans

But other than that, no I just see a lot of potential in Heinen and think we’ve made too many mistakes with young players having one bad season through the years. I don’t expect Heinen to be the next Blake Wheeler, but I do think he’s a consistent 20G-50P type guy as soon as next year.

The hate he gets is truly baffling to me..I don’t know where it comes from. I don’t even know why people are so passionate about him either way. Pretty vanilla go out and quietly do the job type player

 

[sarge88]

Well for one, I’m not very fond of Montreal fans masquerading as Bruins fans

But other than that, no I just see a lot of potential in Heinen and think we’ve made too many mistakes with young players having one bad season through the years. I don’t expect Heinen to be the next Blake Wheeler, but I do think he’s a consistent 20G-50P type guy as soon as next year.

The hate he gets is truly baffling to me..I don’t know where it comes from. I don’t even know why people are so passionate about him either way. Pretty vanilla go out and quietly do the job type player

I don't think that there are too many that hate his game, to be honest.

Admittedly, I do and there are a few others as well, but nowhere near as many as like him,

I will say this, he's a decent passer and if he's playing top 6 he'll get some points, but I don't see the fortunes of the Bruins being predicated upon how he does.

So when I post what I'd like to see happen with this roster, it's based on the fact that I don't think he's the difference between them winning a cup or not....and since I don't enjoy watching him play, I tend to look for ways to move him along.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Great deal. Glad to have him back

 

[Mainehockey33]

he got paid 2.8 which I only said was slightly high. Not sure how many times I have to say this. I liked his production at the cap hit he was the last 2 years which was less than 1 million. I think you're outraged for nothing.

I liked Mcavoy’s production while he’s been on his ELC too.

 

[jgatie]

I don't think that there are too many that hate his game, to be honest.

Admittedly, I do and there are a few others as well, but nowhere near as many as like him,

I will say this, he's a decent passer and if he's playing top 6 he'll get some points, but I don't see the fortunes of the Bruins being predicated upon how he does.

So when I post what I'd like to see happen with this roster, it's based on the fact that I don't think he's the difference between them winning a cup or not....and since I don't enjoy watching him play, I tend to look for ways to move him along.

Exactly how I feel. But his production is not that of a "1 million player", at least not one in his RFA off season. Sadly, the league has gone to paying 3 million+ for 40-50 point non-physical guys.

Oh well, there's always 1 more year of Charlie Coyle showing what a man looks like amongst boys.

 

[UncleRico]

Well for one, I’m not very fond of Montreal fans masquerading as Bruins fans

But other than that, no I just see a lot of potential in Heinen and think we’ve made too many mistakes with young players having one bad season through the years. I don’t expect Heinen to be the next Blake Wheeler, but I do think he’s a consistent 20G-50P type guy as soon as next year.

The hate he gets is truly baffling to me..I don’t know where it comes from. I don’t even know why people are so passionate about him either way. Pretty vanilla go out and quietly do the job type player

I’m a Heinen fan, but unless he starts getting more power play time, 50 points might be tough unless he’s playing with the top line.

Very rare I’m the nhl to be a 50 point guy getting anything less than 2 minutes of power play time per game.

Though he does average .35 even strength points per game at relatively low minutes per game which is very impressive.

 

[member 96824]

I don't think that there are too many that hate his game, to be honest.

Admittedly, I do and there are a few others as well, but nowhere near as many as like him,

I will say this, he's a decent passer and if he's playing top 6 he'll get some points, but I don't see the fortunes of the Bruins being predicated upon how he does.

So when I post what I'd like to see happen with this roster, it's based on the fact that I don't think he's the difference between them winning a cup or not....and since I don't enjoy watching him play, I tend to look for ways to move him along.

Yeah I don’t necessarily think you’re wrong either. Your thoughts here are very rational and he definitely could be the type that’s a very nice trade piece in building another cup run.

The idea that he’s a player only worth Brett Ritchie money is not though. That’s where I get lost..like who has the mental capacity to care about Danton Heinen enough to have super strong opinions on him. They got him with a 4th, he’s turned out to be a very nice third line 2 way player that can drive possession and is on a great contract. I don’t fully understand why that’s so polarizing that some need to cut him down to a $1M player or call Sweeney pathetic for keeping him around(not you, others)

It’s all very weird. If I were like 90% of Bruins fans who don’t come to HF, I’d have zero idea this was even a thing.

 

[Seidenbergy]

you're bullying, I tried to explain my point and you want to attack, have a nice day

Says the guy who a page or two back literally called everyone else who disagreed with him in this thread "the binky express".

Interesting.

 

[member 96824]

I’m a Heinen fan, but unless he starts getting more power play time, 50 points might be tough unless he’s playing with the top line.

Very rare I’m the nhl to be a 50 point guy getting anything less than 2 minutes of power play time per game.

Though he does average .35 even strength points per game at relatively low minutes per game which is very impressive.

I could see him slotting into the second unit this season assuming no major moves to the roster as it stands today

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

you're bullying, I tried to explain my point and you want to attack, have a nice day

So when you can't admit you are wrong, which you were, it's ok to do so. You in turn call it bullying?

Interesting.

Guess I am member of "The binky express"

 

[Bodit9]

Well for one, I’m not very fond of Montreal fans masquerading as Bruins fans

But other than that, no I just see a lot of potential in Heinen and think we’ve made too many mistakes with young players having one bad season through the years. I don’t expect Heinen to be the next Blake Wheeler, but I do think he’s a consistent 20G-50P type guy as soon as next year.

The hate he gets is truly baffling to me..I don’t know where it comes from. I don’t even know why people are so passionate about him either way. Pretty vanilla go out and quietly do the job type player

I think you explain it right here. He's a vanilla player. Effective, but vanilla. It's hard to be passionate about a player that shows no passion. Boston's always been a tough town, where tough meant fighting. Lots of fans grew up with tough bruins; Neely, O'Reilly, Lucic, etc. Everyone knows Bergy doesn't fight but you'll see him show some emotion & get in a scrap every once in awhile. I think that's why people aren't into Heinen. I like him. He's a good, effective player. He doesn't play with fire in his belly which is fine with me but I can see how that can turn off some.

 

[sarge88]

Yeah I don’t necessarily think you’re wrong either. Your thoughts here are very rational and he definitely could be the type that’s a very nice trade piece in building another cup run.

The idea that he’s a player only worth Brett Ritchie money is not though. That’s where I get lost..like who has the mental capacity to care about Danton Heinen enough to have super strong opinions on him. They got him with a 4th, he’s turned out to be a very nice third line 2 way player that can drive possession and is on a great contract. I don’t fully understand why that’s so polarizing that some need to cut him down to a $1M player or call Sweeney pathetic for keeping him around(not you, others)

It’s all very weird. If I were like 90% of Bruins fans who don’t come to HF, I’d have zero idea this was even a thing.

We're probably all susceptible to getting entrenched in a position from time to time.

I don't have a problem with him at 2.8. I was really worried if he went to arbitration because you never know if you'll get a arbiter that loves the advanced stats and gives him 3.2 or something. Which would be a bit tough to swallow, IMO.

 

[UncleRico]

I could see him slotting into the second unit this season assuming no major moves to the roster as it stands today

I hope so. Hoping for the following units:

PP1:
Marchand-bergy-coyle
Krug-Pasta

PP2:
Debrusk-krejci-heinen
Gryz-McAvoy

Or maybe leave coyle on PP2 and have heinen get PP1 RW with pasta playing as a 4th forward, but being used at the point.

 

[Baddkarma]

Heinen's issues, as well as many other players on the current roster, is that he is a player who at this stage of his development/career is not going to help you win playoff intense hockey games/series. As I have said before, he doesn't win draws, he doesn't usually win loose pucks, he just doesn't help you win heavy series. He is a luxury on this team because of other contracts. He is a complementary player on a team that as currently constituted more than likely cannot afford him.

 

[member 96824]

We're probably all susceptible to getting entrenched in a position from time to time.

I don't have a problem with him at 2.8. I was really worried if he went to arbitration because you never know if you'll get a arbiter that loves the advanced stats and gives him 3.2 or something. Which would be a bit tough to swallow, IMO.

Chris Kelly for me. Gah!

Definitely agree. Arbitration is a wild card. Often times they just split the difference so the agent comes in hot with an unreasonable number intending to get half. Agent says 5, B’s say 2.5 and bam you’ve got yourself a $3.75M contract.

 

[UncleRico]

Heinen's issues, as well as many other players on the current roster, is that he is a player who at this stage of his development/career is not going to help you win playoff intense hockey games/series. As I have said before, he doesn't win draws, he doesn't usually win loose pucks, he just doesn't help you win heavy series. He is a luxury on this team because of other contracts. He is a complementary player on a team that as currently constituted more than likely cannot afford him.

Heinen doesn’t win draws lol. He’s a winger who has taken 23 face offs in his nhl career. While he’s not a big hitter he’s one of the best back checkers and incredible at stick checking.

 

[Chief Nine]

I think you explain it right here. He's a vanilla player. Effective, but vanilla. It's hard to be passionate about a player that shows no passion. Boston's always been a tough town, where tough meant fighting. Lots of fans grew up with tough bruins; Neely, O'Reilly, Lucic, etc. Everyone knows Bergy doesn't fight but you'll see him show some emotion & get in a scrap every once in awhile. I think that's why people aren't into Heinen. I like him. He's a good, effective player. He doesn't play with fire in his belly which is fine with me but I can see how that can turn off some.

I get what you're saying but both of our top centers aren't exactly "heart on their sleeve" guys. You mention Bergeron showing some emotion, but honestly that's pretty rare. Bergeron is lauded for being cool and calm out there and doesn't get rattled. I see the same demeanor from Krejci and Heinen and they both get slammed for (in Krejci's case) "not being engaged" and Heinen is mocked for being "Mr. Intensity".

Personally, I think all these posters are pissed off that the WWF had to become the WWE and the NHL isn't either

 

[Baddkarma]

Heinen doesn’t win draws lol. He’s a winger who has taken 23 face offs in his nhl career. While he’s not a big hitter he’s one of the best back checkers and incredible at stick checking.

As you witnessed in the SCF he is a player with limited utility, i.e. he can't step in and win a draw. That fact does not add to his value in the current NHL. If you are not going to win pucks, win 1v1, or put up points in the playoffs, you better add other dimensions, at this stage he currently does not. There is not hate here, just what does he brings for his cap hit on the current roster.