Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
I don't think the distinction actually matters because Zach Werenski.
Player Discussion: Dante Fabbro
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| Mike Maneluk 2001 |
| Kent McDonell 2003 |
| Duvie Westcott 2004-2006 |
| Derek Dorsett 2009-2013 |
| Nick Schultz 2014 |
| Jakob Lilja 2020 |
| Michael Del Zotto 2021 |
| Gregory Hofmann 2022 |
| Gavin Bayreuther 2023 |
Jovavic
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Interesting, shouldn't be too hard to get in the top half of that list.
A new series of summer polls (or maybe during this 4 Nation thing) idea could be choosing who the best of each number was. Some will be pretty obvious but most could lead to good discussion.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
Well, the obvious way to do that would be a countdown to the start of next season. Assuming, of course, we can handle multiple polls at once...
Or run the prospect polls during gaps in the countdown polls...
I really hope Fabbro fits in well with Werenski and those two form our top pair for the foreseeable future.
koteka
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I know. "In the best case" includes him doing well and re-signing.
glenngineer
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I noticed that Fabbro had an assist last night and a goal this evening. How has he been performing for you all? I regret that we let him go for nothing more than cap space.
He's been fairly solid, getting better as he gets used to the team and system. I hate that they reconfigured all 3 pairs after his arrival and created chaos but that's not on him
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+11 in 8 games now with us. holy schnikes.
had +4 today, 5 hits.
now up to 5 points in 8 games with us
was on the ice for 15 shots for and only 3 against at even strength. unreal.
dean and don have to be in awe right now of how he was put on waivers.
had +4 today, 5 hits.
now up to 5 points in 8 games with us
was on the ice for 15 shots for and only 3 against at even strength. unreal.
dean and don have to be in awe right now of how he was put on waivers.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
And virtually every Preds fan on HF is nodding along, having anticipated an outcome very much like this. If the top pairing continues to play the way it has don't be surprised if HFPreds joins in on calling for Werenski for the Norris Trophy, since Josi was controversially denied it the last time he and Fabbro played together. (Yes, yes, Makar, but still.)
Eventually everyone will realize he's one of the best defensemen on the team. I take him over everyone except Werenksi.
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Fabbro has paired nicely with Werenski - probably his best partner. He’s played responsible defense which compliments that pairing well.
I am likely in a minority here bit I don’t have the same confidence in him if paired with another DMan. His giveaway rate is atrocious - 30 already in his 15 game Columbus stint and just 2 takeaways. Despite those stats I’m happy the CBJ claimed him to pair with Z.
The awkward aspect of him in Columbus is what @stevo61 said. It means Provorov and Severson are paired together and each of them, despite having skills, are prone to making some costly puck and coverage mistakes.
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I agree with this, Provy and Severson has not been a good pairing. Very frustrating to see two high priced veterans who cannot seem to jibe.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that our 2nd best defenseman at any given time, is simply whoever is playing with Werenski…
When the other guys you're competing against are Severson and Provorov, it's not that difficult. Both of those players are extremely overrated. To clarify, I'm speaking specifically about defense, not what they bring offensively. Severson and Provorov are both disasters defensively. Provorov slightly less so.
Jovavic
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Great parting gifts from Jarmo. Our pro scouting isn't all that great either.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
I'm seeing more and more folks here suggesting that they don't think Fabbro is a long-term answer next to Werenski here, and I admit I just don't get it.
At the risk of unfairly strawmanning... if it was just "He was a waiver wire pickup and this is a one-time thing", that would make sense to me. But I legit feel that his situation is exceptional. I wanted to trade for him beforehand because this isn't IMO a one-time thing - he was doing exactly the same Good General Support bit alongside Roman Josi and just never got an opportunity to repeat that. Some might argue that it's just "yeah, but that's Josi; good players mesh well with anyone", but frankly that hasn't been the case to this level of effectiveness with either Josi or Werenski - there's more guys than most that can fit, but plenty of other folks that just can't hack it. And, well, frankly, Barry Trotz has not exactly been impressing as a GM.
I'll readily agree he cannot carry a pairing. He shouldn't be asked to. But supporting star players is a legitimate skill and one that has value. So why are some of us already trying to move on from him when he's just getting started here and already showing he can help create exceptional results?
At the risk of unfairly strawmanning... if it was just "He was a waiver wire pickup and this is a one-time thing", that would make sense to me. But I legit feel that his situation is exceptional. I wanted to trade for him beforehand because this isn't IMO a one-time thing - he was doing exactly the same Good General Support bit alongside Roman Josi and just never got an opportunity to repeat that. Some might argue that it's just "yeah, but that's Josi; good players mesh well with anyone", but frankly that hasn't been the case to this level of effectiveness with either Josi or Werenski - there's more guys than most that can fit, but plenty of other folks that just can't hack it. And, well, frankly, Barry Trotz has not exactly been impressing as a GM.
I'll readily agree he cannot carry a pairing. He shouldn't be asked to. But supporting star players is a legitimate skill and one that has value. So why are some of us already trying to move on from him when he's just getting started here and already showing he can help create exceptional results?
koteka
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I think the idea people want to move on from him is a straw man. I’d offer him a modest 2 or 3 year contract. I think the fear is over paying or over extending him when we already have the Severson contract. Heck, I’d love to sign Provorov to a 4 x $4M and Fabbro to a 3 x $2.5M and have low risk contracts on high risk players. But I am not going to risk a bad contract with either.
Viqsi
"that chick from Ohio"
The first one or two times I figured I was just being hypersensitive - particularly because it came shortly after the Jiricek trade and so I was already a bit rough. But the talk seems to continue. Maybe I'm selection biasing it or something but it still confuses me whether it's a common thought or not.
Fabbro has been fine, sometimes the puck is a grenade on his stick but overall not bad. Definitely think Pred fans especially want to believe he's been more than he has been. Werenski has been on another level this year and honestly you could put a number of guys there and he'd do his thing just like he did with Provorov
He's a pending UFA and we're about 20 games away from TDL.
If we want him extended, what would be the highest acceptable AAV and term in your opinion?
If we want him extended, what would be the highest acceptable AAV and term in your opinion?
