Value of: Daniil Gushchin
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Gushchin is in line to get some games in for the Sharks next season. Highly doubt he's even available.
How many is some? 5? 10? He won't agree to another 2-way contract for sure, and to earn a full NHL one he needs to play 40+ games at least. Probably more. I doubt Sharks have the place for him for such many games. There is risk they will lose him for nothing next season.
barriers
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I had a similar thought. Another year of $80k salary, riding the bus, and living in a high-tax/rent state is only going to convince Daniil to consider options elsewhere.
Gushchin isn't one of Grier's "guys" and I'm not sure he'll feel obligated to "push" Daniil along. If Grier isn't going to make more of an effort to placate Gushchin and get him ice time on a bad team, then I think Kshahdoo is right. Grier risks losing Gushchin for nothing
weastern bias
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Lol, the Sharks have a place for anyone at literally every position, if they think Gushchin is ready he'll play
You hit the nail on the head as he has to earn it.
I like him as a prospect but he has to earn it this training camp and if he doesn't sure Russia might be an option but that's why some teams can be wary of less than elite prospects here in NA that might become impatient.
He was PPG in AHL last season, so he has to be 1.5PPG in the A to earn the place?
It doesn't work that way and to be frank I don't follow him closely enough but there are plenty of PPG guys that simply aren't good enough for the NHL so that's not the measure required.
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He has to play well in the NHL when given a chance, it's not that complicated. Sharks can promise him a roster spot out of the camp if the situation calls for it and go mutual termination route if he is back to the AHL.
Plenty of guys are high AHL scorers and never earn their place at the NHL level.
Gushchin is a good prospect and at his age you’d expect him to get several good opportunities to stick still but rightly or wrongly, you have to consider system fit (does he play the “Mike Grier way” is kind of a derogatory meme at this point) and also overall depth.
People clown on clubs like San Jose and Columbus for being bad but that doesn’t mean they lack depth. On the contrary, their years of stacking prospects and selling veteran stars into multiple pieces leaves them somewhat bloated with pro options for depth roles and then those guys start to run out of waiver options so it suddenly isn’t purely about picking the 20 most talented players.
Now, we can certainly argue if adding the likes of Goodrow and Dellandrea before the summer even begins at the expense of giving internal options a better shot is a good idea - but October is a long ways away so I don’t think I’d write Gushchin’s obit with SJ quite yet.
Gushchin is a good prospect and at his age you’d expect him to get several good opportunities to stick still but rightly or wrongly, you have to consider system fit (does he play the “Mike Grier way” is kind of a derogatory meme at this point) and also overall depth.
People clown on clubs like San Jose and Columbus for being bad but that doesn’t mean they lack depth. On the contrary, their years of stacking prospects and selling veteran stars into multiple pieces leaves them somewhat bloated with pro options for depth roles and then those guys start to run out of waiver options so it suddenly isn’t purely about picking the 20 most talented players.
Now, we can certainly argue if adding the likes of Goodrow and Dellandrea before the summer even begins at the expense of giving internal options a better shot is a good idea - but October is a long ways away so I don’t think I’d write Gushchin’s obit with SJ quite yet.
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PPG in the AHL at =<21? Logan Stankoven, Mavrik Bourque, and Gushchin last season. I'm not sure there were any the season before. Stankoven and Bourque were down because Dallas was good and even then Stank wasn't kept down. Those are his comparables at the moment, not Rocco Grimaldi and Adam Gaudette. Not yet at least.
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HockeyVirus
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Respectfully, if he can't crack that Sharks roster why would another team want him nvm give up assets for him?
Stewie Griffin
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Just beating the drum but he has to earn that spot. He's not going to be able to be a 4th liner, so he has to earn a scoring role...which isn't easy.
If 4 points in 6 games (and being PPG in AHL) isn't enough for a rookie to get the spot then nothing is enough...
With this logic a lot of NHL superstars would have never become ones...
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I don't see how the Sharks don't have space for him, but if they don't then I don't see many other team that have more space, so he'd probably not be worth a whole lot.
BonMorrison
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Grier is an idiot if he doesn't give this guy a fair shot with that roster next year.
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barriers
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That's also not how employment contracts work. Even a European assignment clause, which Gushchin doesn't have, won't work like that
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True but he played in CSKA Moscow's system before coming to North America.
Gushchin and the Sharks can just agree to a mutual termination. Happens all the time.
barriers
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And 31 teams are just going to let a 22 year-old, a season out from a PPG AHL year, pass through waivers. Happens all the time?
HockeyVirus
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Name 3 superstars who couldn't crack a tanking roster by 22 who went on to do what you said
Hodge
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For sure. If he's not good enough for the San Jose Sharks, he's certainly not good enough to play for any other NHL team.
Every org has a half dozen Gushchins. Tiny one dimensional wingers are not exactly valued around the league.
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He's listed at 5'8", 165lbs, so he's certainly not going to make the jump to the NHL level of play based on physical dominance - if anything it will be a harder adjustment. Maybe SJ just wants him to get more pro experience at a lower level before bringing him up to the NHL for good. I think Ruslan Iskhakov of the NYI is a similar situation.
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