Signing(s): Daniel Jones signs long term extension with the Giants (4 years, $160 million)

[Nogatco Rd]

Jones is awful but he was at time he was playing better then Lamar

And to Jones credit he has never thrown away his teams hopes and dreams with it all on the line

The legacy of Jones is a failed 1st round pick while the legacy of Jackson at this point is of a guy who falls apart when it matters most

Congrats to Jackson though on being better than Daniel Jones and having same # of championships and SB appearances

Maybe someday Jacksons teammates will be able to carry him on their backs to a SB with a herculean effort

You obsession with Daniel Jones is odd at this point as is your boosting of a guy who time and again falls apart in big moments

Do you know how many Week 1 starting QB's have won a Super Bowl? I counted 3.

Does that mean the 29 other guys are chokers who need their teammates to carry them if they ever want to get a ring?

 

[SirClintonPortis]

The only HoF Daniel Jones will enter is the Washington football team killer HoF.
I can't even enjoy that he sucks because my team cannot win against him

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Jones is awful but he was at time he was playing better then Lamar

And to Jones credit he has never thrown away his teams hopes and dreams with it all on the line

The legacy of Jones is a failed 1st round pick while the legacy of Jackson at this point is of a guy who falls apart when it matters most

Congrats to Jackson though on being better than Daniel Jones and having same # of championships and SB appearances

Maybe someday Jacksons teammates will be able to carry him on their backs to a SB with a herculean effort

You obsession with Daniel Jones is odd at this point as is your boosting of a guy who time and again falls apart

There was never a time where saying Jones was a better quarterback than Jackson ever made a lick of sense. Just shut up. Everyone thinks you're a joke already. Trying to pretend that Lamar is some Ravens prop job just makes it worse.

 

[Melrose Munch]

This is is really a gross contract and I am tired of this nonsense as a giants fan. I want a full rebuild.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Dude is talking as if Lamar isn't a HOF player if he retires today.

Stop it. You lost. Jackson could go 0-16 this year and his resume up to his point would justify him as a unique talent. He made amends for Vick.

1) Even with 2 MVP's he hasn't done enough, no playoff success and not nearly enough longevity or body of work, if he walked away right now.

2) He's 27, not sure why people online bringing up hof with him.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

1) Even with 2 MVP's he hasn't done enough, no playoff success and not nearly enough longevity or body of work, if he walked away right now.

2) He's 27, not sure why people online bringing up hof with him.

Is there a player with a similar resume that isn't in the HOF? Current playoff record isn't going to keep him out of the hall when the guy has won something like 70-75% of his games. His current record stands at 58-20. That's absurd.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Is there a player with a similar resume that isn't in the HOF? Current playoff record isn't going to keep him out of the hall when the guy has won something like 70-75% of his games. His current record stands at 58-20. That's absurd.

Doesn't matter. He shoudl get in, he'd have to really shit the bed to not but it's not a given right now if he retired.

Stupid discussion though cuz he's not retiring and only 27.

 

[Tuggy]

Here's a fun stat!

 

[HisIceness]

Here's a fun stat!

Hell I can do this too. I'll take that $160 million check please.

 

[StreetHawk]

Hell I can do this too. I'll take that $160 million check please.

Well, it always was a 2 year deal (guaranteed money).
$36 mill signing bonus.
$9 mill in base for 2023, but he converted $8 mill of that into a bonus.
$36 mill in base/workout bonus for 2024.

$81 mill was the guaranteed money.

But it was an unnecessary 2 year deal. Should have just been a non-exclusive franchise tag. and they would have dumped him this past season. $22 mill in dead money after this season.

At this point, not sure if there is a top notch QB for the draft. There is Beck, Sanders, Ewers (arm talent similar to Nix), and a couple of young hopefuls like Allar who was a top recruit for PSU but only had a meh 1st year starting in 2023. Needs a big year to even consider opting for the draft. Most of the kids who will be putting up big numbers in college are the guys taking advantage of the super senior year.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Is there a player with a similar resume that isn't in the HOF? Current playoff record isn't going to keep him out of the hall when the guy has won something like 70-75% of his games. His current record stands at 58-20. That's absurd.

Given difference in era its hard to make direct comp but before he tore his ACL and had his career derailed Cunningham is good comp

81 games
69 Starts
107 passing TD's
23 Rushing TD's

1990 NFL MVP
Runner Up for 1988 NFL MVP
1st team AP
2nd team AP
3x Pro Bowler

Alot of the games not started were just Cunningham being used in 3rd and long situations because of his running under Buddy Ryan so not actually throwing ball alot in those appearances if at all

Also using W/L as "See how good Lamar is" is laughable given he has had a top 3 D almost his entire time in NFL

Despite Cunningham's unique abilities and greatness before injury he is not in HOF (Despite several good years after returning as player but with clear physical decline from injury)

No guarantee if Lamar declines today or gets major injury that he will be in HOF

 

[BobColesNasalCavity]

Man Giants fans were burning his jersey after the game!

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Given difference in era its hard to make direct comp but before he tore his ACL and had his career derailed Cunningham is good comp

81 games
69 Starts
107 passing TD's
23 Rushing TD's

1990 NFL MVP
Runner Up for 1988 NFL MVP
1st team AP
2nd team AP
3x Pro Bowler

Alot of the games not started were just Cunningham being used in 3rd and long situations because of his running under Buddy Ryan so not actually throwing ball alot in those appearances if at all

Also using W/L as "See how good Lamar is" is laughable given he has had a top 3 D almost his entire time in NFL

Despite Cunningham's unique abilities and greatness before injury he is not in HOF (Despite several good years after returning as player but with clear physical decline from injury)

No guarantee if Lamar declines today or gets major injury that he will be in HOF

There are only five 2x MVPs (with Lamar being a vote away from going unanimous twice) and all of which are/will be (Mahomes) HOF. There is no chance that Lamar isn't going in. Zilch. Nada. He's in.

Also, yes, different eras, but it seems like Cunningham was a lot more turnover prone than Jackson. Also LOL at 'How dare you use the W-L record with that D' when you consider that a big narrative has been that he hasn't had the best offensive weapons at his disposal and that the entire franchise considers him the most important piece to the puzzle (duh) and how productive he's been. The fans disagree with you. The players disagree with you. Give it up. I don't even get what you're trying to achieve. He's clearly elite and is closer to being the second best quarterback in the league than the fifth.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Man Giants fans were burning his jersey after the game!

Well that as always is just idiotic

There are only five 2x MVPs (with Lamar being a vote away from going unanimous twice) and all of which are/will be (Mahomes in the HOF). There is no chance that Lamar isn't going in. Zilch. Nada. He's in.

Also, yes, different eras, but it seems like Cunningham was a lot more turnover prone than Jackson. Also LOL at 'How dare you use the W-L record with that D' when you consider that a big narrative has been that he hasn't had the best offensive weapons at his disposal and that the entire franchise considers him the most important piece to the puzzle (duh) and how productive he's been.

QB's were more turnover prone in that era. The passing attack was alot difference as was how game was officiated

1990 Cunningham season IMO was more impressive as passer in that era over this era especially given defenses can't play defense largely anymore

If he is most important part of puzzle, then his failures in playoffs are reason the franchise cant take next step. You're actually strengthening my case

Has Lamar Jackson faltered in big moments, yes or no?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Well that as always is just idiotic



QB's were more turnover prone in that era. The passing attack was alot difference as was how game was officiated

1990 Cunningham season IMO was more impressive as passer in that era over this era especially given defenses can't play defense largely anymore

If he is most important part of puzzle, then his failures in playoffs are reason the franchise cant take next step. You're actually strengthening my case

Has Lamar Jackson faltered in big moments, yes or no?

Of course Jackson has had some problems in big moments. Who would deny that? But he a) isn't alone (he didn't make Zay Flowers tank an entire drive at the 1 yard line) and b) you're asking people to disregard a much bigger body of work in favor of a handful of games over 6-7 seasons (including some as a 6-game rookie and including a couple of good games such as him clowning the Texans last year). Nobody in their right mind should do that. Nobody in their right mind should ignore the career of a guy who has a legitimate claim at having had a top-3 season in NFL history (2019) + all the rest he's achieved over a couple of playoff games.

I don't think his problems come down to any inherent problem with him (in the same way that I don't think they did with Manning) when everything points to the guy having been utterly correct every step of the way when he's bet on himself and has proved everyone else wrong.

There aren't any problems with the Ravens franchise either. They win a ton of games and their guy is a 2x MVP. They're consistently in the playoffs. They just haven't won the big game. It might or it might not happen. Doesn't change the fact that the Baltimore Ravens are one of the best franchises in the league. You should know that being a fan of one of the worsts.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Let's agree to disagree in limited fashion in GDT until playoffs again cast spotlight on Lamar because this is a Daniel Jones thread after all

Jones has no future in NY barring some miracle turnaround. Neither does Devito who is just a feel-good story for a few weeks before everything went south and doesn't have talent to be an NFL #1 (Actually shocked he ever got to NFL to begin with watching him with Illinois)

For Giants drafting QB in this years draft seems a lock. The question is did they error in going WR this past draft in Nabers instead of grabbing Penix or McCarthy (Nix IMO would not have interested them that high)

Time will tell if Giants made right move or not holding off on QB

 

[Idiot Stick]

i thought his 2nd MVP was a weak voting class tbh, but mvp is still mvp


Still far away from HoF. Might as well let in Romo and Eli manning at that point


Never understood Jones contract, guy hasnt proven a thing and wasnt all that great

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

i thought his 2nd MVP was a weak voting class tbh, but mvp is still mvp


Still far away from HoF. Might as well let in Romo and Eli manning at that point

Eli should be in HOF IMO

Romo should never be in HOF. If a guy like Boomer Esiason is not HOF then there is really no argument for a lesser QB like Romo

 

[StreetHawk]

Let's agree to disagree in limited fashion in GDT until playoffs again cast spotlight on Lamar because this is a Daniel Jones thread after all

Jones has no future in NY barring some miracle turnaround. Neither does Devito who is just a feel-good story for a few weeks before everything went south and doesn't have talent to be an NFL #1 (Actually shocked he ever got to NFL to begin with watching him with Illinois)

For Giants drafting QB in this years draft seems a lock. The question is did they error in going WR this past draft in Nabers instead of grabbing Penix or McCarthy (Nix IMO would not have interested them that high)

Time will tell if Giants made right move or not holding off on QB

Penix on that MetLife turf I wouldn't do it. Either JJ or go Nabers. Nix, doesn't have enough talent.

Question is what is the quality of this year's QB class? Beck, Sanders, Ewers, etc? Beck ranked the best of this class but you would you take him ahead of since like 2020 or something out of college?

Burrow, Herbert, Tua, Lawrence, Stroud, Williams, Maye, Daniels, would all go ahead of him. Based soley on college, Young would likely go ahead despite his size.
Of the remaining group of Pickett, Wilson, Lance, Jones, Fields, Richardson, McCarthy, Penix, Nix, who would Beck go ahead of? Pickett for sure. Wilson smaller guy and limited playing time. Lance, small sample size and raw. Jones, like Pickett, limited upside,. Fields, can he play from the pocket and in structure? Richardson, talented but raw. McCarthy, didn't do a lot in college in terms of carrying a team. Penix, injuries and overall lack of mobility in today's game. Nix, see Jones/Pickett, lacking high end talent.

So, is that good enough?

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Let's agree to disagree in limited fashion in GDT until playoffs again cast spotlight on Lamar because this is a Daniel Jones thread after all

Jones has no future in NY barring some miracle turnaround. Neither does Devito who is just a feel-good story for a few weeks before everything went south and doesn't have talent to be an NFL #1 (Actually shocked he ever got to NFL to begin with watching him with Illinois)

For Giants drafting QB in this years draft seems a lock. The question is did they error in going WR this past draft in Nabers instead of grabbing Penix or McCarthy (Nix IMO would not have interested them that high)

Time will tell if Giants made right move or not holding off on QB

Daniels Jones can't even make the "Hall of the Pretty Good". At least Lamar can. Daniel Jones is nothing more than Saquon's labor, disrespected.

 

[Troy McClure]

Eli should be in HOF IMO

Romo should never be in HOF. If a guy like Boomer Esiason is not HOF then there is really no argument for a lesser QB like Romo

Eli absolutely belongs nowhere near the hall of fame. At no point in his career was he ever thought of as a top QB.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Eli absolutely belongs nowhere near the hall of fame. At no point in his career was he ever thought of as a top QB.

I agree with this, but at the same time he also trolled Tom Brady twice. That's good enough for me.

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Let's agree to disagree in limited fashion in GDT until playoffs again cast spotlight on Lamar because this is a Daniel Jones thread after all

Jones has no future in NY barring some miracle turnaround. Neither does Devito who is just a feel-good story for a few weeks before everything went south and doesn't have talent to be an NFL #1 (Actually shocked he ever got to NFL to begin with watching him with Illinois)

For Giants drafting QB in this years draft seems a lock. The question is did they error in going WR this past draft in Nabers instead of grabbing Penix or McCarthy (Nix IMO would not have interested them that high)

Time will tell if Giants made right move or not holding off on QB

Nope, your take still sucks and all the coping you do won't change that.

 

[TheAngryHank]

Man Giants fans were burning his jersey after the game!

Why anyone would buy one in the first place is a mystery,

 

[BobColesNasalCavity]

Why anyone would buy one in the first place is a mystery,

Ya I dunno either. That’s a tough jersey to walk around in public with

 

[EpochLink]

Eli absolutely belongs nowhere near the hall of fame. At no point in his career was he ever thought of as a top QB.

He's going into the Hall of Fame based on stats and his Super Bowl's, he's top 10 in passing yards and TD, 2 Super Bowl MVP's against the vaunted New England dynasty? Yeah, he's going in.