Daniel Carcillo

[KingsHockey24]

Am I the only Kings fan thats excited to have this guy on our team? I feel like we needed a lil more nasty in our line-up. Imo I feel like Jordan Nolan and maybe Cliffy are the only players from last season that provided nasty.

I'm probably the only Kings fan that expects a 10 goal 10 assist season from him. I wouldnt be suprised if he plays at least 60+ games for us next year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN51MoRsamw

This video gets me pumped up to have him in LA. What are your thoughts on Carcillo?

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[deeshamrock]

What are your thoughts on Carcillo?

60 games? If he plays more than 20 the Kings are in trouble. I suffered thru his tenure with the Flyres and celebrated his departure. You think the Hawks fans aren't glad he's gone? He's a bottom dwelling winger with minimal talent who adds very little. He does have a nasty side and will engage an opponent , but usually is dumb enough to push the extra bit and get the extra minutes.
If he stays on the team, and I hope he doesn't, I really hope that he arrived only to force Clifford to rethink what his agent was asking., he replaces Richardson, a fringe player.

 

[HYORI 1963]

60 games? If he plays more than 20 the Kings are in trouble. I suffered thru his tenure with the Flyres and celebrated his departure. You think the Hawks fans aren't glad he's gone? He's a bottom dwelling winger with minimal talent who adds very little. He does have a nasty side and will engage an opponent , but usually is dumb enough to push the extra bit and get the extra minutes.
If he stays on the team, and I hope he doesn't, I really hope that he arrived only to force Clifford to rethink what his agent was asking., he replaces Richardson, a fringe player.

I stopped reading after the bolded. I understand that you've probably seen more of Carcillo than most of us here, but don't you think you're exaggerating a bit? Seriously, if DL thought so little of this guy, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't have acquired him. I'm not a huge fan of Carcillo, but I can see how he can be effective for our club. He'll most likely play 40+ games mostly on our 3rd and 4th line, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him getting some time on our 2nd either.

It also wouldn't surprise me to see him have a bounce back year under Sutter.

 

[takk]

My gut tells me he'll be on second line with his buds come playoff time. If Frattin doesn't cut it and Carcillo is healty this is a strong possibility, I really don't wanna see King there. Please Darryl.

 

[rick3652]

My gut tells me he'll be on second line with his buds come playoff time. If Frattin doesn't cut it and Carcillo is healty this is a strong possibility, I really don't wanna see King there. Please Darryl.

He is a 4th liner player at best.. He will only play when the game is going to be rough.

 

[etherialone]

60 games? If he plays more than 20 the Kings are in trouble. I suffered thru his tenure with the Flyres and celebrated his departure. You think the Hawks fans aren't glad he's gone? He's a bottom dwelling winger with minimal talent who adds very little. He does have a nasty side and will engage an opponent , but usually is dumb enough to push the extra bit and get the extra minutes.
If he stays on the team, and I hope he doesn't, I really hope that he arrived only to force Clifford to rethink what his agent was asking., he replaces Richardson, a fringe player.

Thanks for sharing your insight as always and especially in this case where you have seen DC play more than most of us have as a result of your following the Fliers for so many years. (that sounds weird but I hope you get the gist).


I wanted to ask you if you see any potential for DC playing a slightly bigger role for us now that he is being re-united with his former Flyer friends (sounds like a bad comic book hero group)?

I know that sort of thing rarely if ever happens but I was going through my pre draft notes on DC from way back when and for some reason I actually saw him as a solid 3rd line D forward who played with an edge.

He made the NHL which is what I had him doing but I seem to have been far off the mark for how he would turn out and am just curious if he had anything other than cement head in him. Figured you would know.


Anyway, thanks in advance.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Kings were like the 6th least penalized team in the league last year at like 10 min / game. Clifford led the way with 51m in 48 games (good for a shared spot at #59 in the league), followed by Nolan and Richards.

Looking at Carcillo, the most obvious way he impacts the team that is measurable on the stat sheet is in the area of PIMs. Based on that, it looks like it is either Clifford or Nolan who he is competing with. Not sure what the contract / waiver implications are, but I could see Nolan and Carcillo filling that depth role for a checking forward. And despite his past play with the Philly guys, I doubt he seems time above the 3rd line for any extended stretch.

 

[Herby]

I'm with deeshamrock. If Carcillo is anything more than a guy who plays in rare situations when a pest is needed the Kings have serious roster issues. I think he was brought in because of how awful Nolan and Clifford were, and I have no problem with that, they should be pushed and be told that their play last season and the treatment some of our star players took from guys like Shaw, Bolland, Torres and Perron was unacceptable.

People who want this guy on the 2nd line should seriously have their heads examined. Would be the worst top 6 forward since Erik Rasmussen

 

[HYORI 1963]

People who want this guy on the 2nd line should seriously have their heads examined. Would be the worst top 6 forward since Erik Rasmussen

I guess Sutter should have his head examined, because I'm pretty certain that Carcillo will get at least get few games on our second line. It surprises me that some people still don't get that Sutter will play whoever he wants, at whichever line he wants. King and Clifford aren't second liners, but they got to play on the second line. Heck, Clifford even got a look on our first line.

Keep an open mind people.

 

[deeshamrock]

Hi TG!

Thanks for sharing your insight as always and especially in this case where you have seen DC play more than most of us have as a result of your following the Fliers for so many years. (that sounds weird but I hope you get the gist).

That doesn't sound weird, I have been following the Flyers for 40 years , since I was a very small girl whose older brother was a hockey nut. But I have learned over that time, esp in the last 20, to view the team in very black and white terms . I have good friends, who are FLyer fans who every year drink that orange kool aid and line their lawn chairs up on Broad St for a parade that is not coming. And with some of them, I have learned to pull back and not even engage , because if you dare criticize Homer, Snider or a player, you get bashed. I made the mistake of saying how much I like Ryan Callahan and got blasted. Some Flyer fans are not hockey fans.

When I tell you I was ecstatic when Hexy came back, I meant that. For the first time in years, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I think (no proof of this) that HOmer realizes he can't handle this job (and there has been more than a heavy amount of public criticism of some of his moves the last few years) and bringing in Hexy is his way of either retiring or taking on another role.

I wanted to ask you if you see any potential for DC playing a slightly bigger role for us now that he is being re-united with his former Flyer friends (sounds like a bad comic book hero group I know that sort of thing rarely if ever happens but I was going through my pre draft notes on DC from way back when and for some reason I actually saw him as a solid 3rd line D forward who played with an edge
He made the NHL which is what I had him doing but I seem to have been far off the mark for how he would turn out and am just curious if he had anything other than cement head in him. Figured you would know.

It could be I've seen too much of him. Non Philly residents may have only peripheral views of him, or maybe I've seen him play in a role that he wasn't suited for and as a a result was in over his head. (playing reg minutes on a top line, just not where he was best suited ) Maybe he did have 3rd line potential but his career stats don't illustrate any upward movement. And the fact he has close to 1100 penality min. career wise says a lot about him.

Granted, I didn't see much of him this past year but I did catch a few of his hawks games in 2012 and he didn't appear to have changed at all. Or maybe the Hawks only used him in games where they felt the other team would be taking shots at the Hawks.

Maybe if the Flyers had allowed him to be a typical 3rd liner and not the 'agitator' or instigator, he would have performed better. Or over time has it become easier for him to that instead of working hard to be a better player. He took a lot of penalties and more than his fair share of dumb ones that put the team at risk. But if you know the Flyers , then you know they always have at least one player (currently Rinaldo) that is the guy that they expect that of. I never liked that, or felt it was a necessary component but it' s in the FLyers bloodline, right? That was the job he was expected to do, to go 'get that guy that hitting our best guys' Maybe when you are expected to do that, year in , year out, it changes you.

I will say in 2010 playoffs when he played with Richards, Richards more than once had to corral him and talk him down. That hot head of his was heading to a cheap shot or 2 min. minor. Once I specifically recall a very angry Carcillo going after a Devil in the 1st series and Richards physically grabbing him, shoving him against the boards and talking to him (and MR was not happy) and stayed along the boards doing that until Carcillo calmed down and went to the bench. And Richards for the most part, had that effect on him usually. He did have games during that stretch where he stayed out of trouble and gave that line the physical side they needed. But that might be the anomaly. He isn't going to pot goals, or contribute in that area, historically, he's not a point producer. So that is why I think the 4th line is where he'd be best suited or just used when the team feels a threat to a top player.

Could he change? Maybe, but I think that is easier for a top 6 player who has skill to offer. He's not better or more skilled than Clifford or Lewis, so unless there is an injury, I can't see him on the 3rd line. I am not a King fan, so I guess if he plays limited minutes on the 4th, he couldn't do too much trouble.

I feel that DL got him for 2 reasons maybe. 1- insurance in case Clifford didn't get done and 2- he didn't like some of the cheap shots that occurred to some of the Kings during the playoffs that went unanswered. But Carcillo being in the lineup won't scare anyone off of that. It won't stop , for exampled, Shaw taking a cheap head shot attempt on Richards in game 5.
And maybe he gets cut in camp, maybe one of the prospects will impress DL to that end.

Can Sutter make a difference? Maybe, depends on the player and what he feels, it didn't seem to work for Penner. And playing on a team with Richards again, a player who he holds in high regard and whose opinion he respects, might cause Carbomb to look in the mirror a bit.

Anyway, thanks in advance.

you are more than welcome, my friend, I love your hockey insight.

And 1 month from today Kings play the Ducks....GKG , the only good duck is a dead duck.

 

[Sacha Baron Corbin]

My gut tells me he'll be on second line with his buds come playoff time. If Frattin doesn't cut it and Carcillo is healty this is a strong possibility, I really don't wanna see King there. Please Darryl.

God I hope not, I have no problem with him playing against San Jose to counter Raffi but other than that we'd be better off with Cliffy or Nolan. I agree with you about King though, he does not belong in the top 6.

 

[Herby]

I guess Sutter should have his head examined, because I'm pretty certain that Carcillo will get at least get few games on our second line. It surprises me that some people still don't get that Sutter will play whoever he wants, at whichever line he wants. King and Clifford aren't second liners, but they got to play on the second line. Heck, Clifford even got a look on our first line.

Keep an open mind people.

An open mind? The guy is 28 years old, coming off a season when he was a healthy scratch on Chicago, and you want him on the 2nd line? What has he ever done in his career to warrant a 2nd line spot?

And don't make the mistake in thinking you can slot anyone in with Carter and Richards and the line will click. Carter and Richards struggled 5 on 5 last year, playing with better players than Carcillo.

And as for King and Clifford, they played some on the top 6 because the Kings lw situation is arguably the worst in the NHL and it probably prevented the Kings from making another cup run. Clifford and King should never be more than 4th liners on any good team, they are put in those situations because our lw's are awful, not based on anything they have done.

 

[MsMeow]

I'm excited but I wasn't before. He is capable of playing decent hockey when he isn't losing his cool. I haven't seen him since Philly so I'm not going to judge him. Incidentally, I hated his guts in Junior and was pissed right off when the Flyers got him, not only because of the injuries he caused in Junior but also because Holmgren got screwed royally in that trade because he was over the cap during the season and had to get rid of someone. Giving up Upshall AND a second for him was insane and we thought he'd learn from it. He still hasn't.

 

[HolyShot*]

Good 4th liner next to cliff - lewis - nolan/carbomb.

 

[Rorschach]

I'm not worried about him in the regular season. In the playoffs, that's when I want to see him do his thing.

 

[Ron*]

I'm excited but I wasn't before. He is capable of playing decent hockey when he isn't losing his cool. I haven't seen him since Philly so I'm not going to judge him. Incidentally, I hated his guts in Junior and was pissed right off when the Flyers got him, not only because of the injuries he caused in Junior but also because Holmgren got screwed royally in that trade because he was over the cap during the season and had to get rid of someone. Giving up Upshall AND a second for him was insane and we thought he'd learn from it. He still hasn't.

Some people never learn. He just isn't very good at his job. Not sure why Philly hasn't fired him.

 

[KingLuc20]

I stopped reading after the bolded. I understand that you've probably seen more of Carcillo than most of us here, but don't you think you're exaggerating a bit? Seriously, if DL thought so little of this guy, I'm pretty certain he wouldn't have acquired him. I'm not a huge fan of Carcillo, but I can see how he can be effective for our club. He'll most likely play 40+ games mostly on our 3rd and 4th line, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him getting some time on our 2nd either.

It also wouldn't surprise me to see him have a bounce back year under Sutter.

Lombardi taking on Carcillo was a Huge Mistake! My brother is a big Hawks fan so I got to watch several Hawk games last year and this guy is a worse cancer on the Ice than Avery ever was! He doesn't know how to stay out of the penalty box......let alone play hockey! Trust me, at the end of this upcoming season you'll be wishing Dean never acquired this Bum!

 

[KINGS17]

An open mind? The guy is 28 years old, coming off a season when he was a healthy scratch on Chicago, and you want him on the 2nd line? What has he ever done in his career to warrant a 2nd line spot?

And don't make the mistake in thinking you can slot anyone in with Carter and Richards and the line will click. Carter and Richards struggled 5 on 5 last year, playing with better players than Carcillo.

And as for King and Clifford, they played some on the top 6 because the Kings lw situation is arguably the worst in the NHL and it probably prevented the Kings from making another cup run. Clifford and King should never be more than 4th liners on any good team, they are put in those situations because our lw's are awful, not based on anything they have done.

I have to believe that the plan is for Frattin or Toffoli to compete for the LW slot on the #2 line.

If Stoll isn't ready to go I won't be surprised to see Kopitar - Carter - Richards down the middle to start the season.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Lombardi taking on Carcillo was a Huge Mistake! My brother is a big Hawks fan so I got to watch several Hawk games last year and this guy is a worse cancer on the Ice than Avery ever was! He doesn't know how to stay out of the penalty box......let alone play hockey! Trust me, at the end of this upcoming season you'll be wishing Dean never acquired this Bum!

Thanks for your input but I'll take Lombardi's input over you and your brothers, no offense.

You should also know that Carcillo ONLY had 11 mins of penalty last year.

 

[HYORI 1963]

An open mind? The guy is 28 years old, coming off a season when he was a healthy scratch on Chicago, and you want him on the 2nd line? What has he ever done in his career to warrant a 2nd line spot?

And don't make the mistake in thinking you can slot anyone in with Carter and Richards and the line will click. Carter and Richards struggled 5 on 5 last year, playing with better players than Carcillo.

And as for King and Clifford, they played some on the top 6 because the Kings lw situation is arguably the worst in the NHL and it probably prevented the Kings from making another cup run. Clifford and King should never be more than 4th liners on any good team, they are put in those situations because our lw's are awful, not based on anything they have done.

Please show me where I said I want him on the 2nd line.

 

[YP44]

Whomever is on out 2nd line is just holding the spot till trade deadline where we pick someone up. Maybe Vanek or Cammy. I doubt DL brings Cammy comes back though.

 

[deeshamrock]

Whomever is on out 2nd line is just holding the spot till trade deadline where we pick someone up. Maybe Vanek or Cammy. I doubt DL brings Cammy comes back though.

It's funny you menton Vanek and the Kings LW. I was reading an article about Ryan Miller a couple weeks back and there was a comment about Vanek and a blue highlighted link to another article (from a Canadian paper) and in it the writer theorized that if Vanek doesn't go until the deadline, the Kings might be a team that might land him, and the author noted the top 6 LW hole and the Vanek is roughly in the same age group/experience level of the other Kings top 6 players and that would be an easy adjustment for Sutter.
I don't think it will happen ,but for a moment, I thought how nice would it be to have Kopi centering a line with Vanek?

 

[YP44]

It's funny you menton Vanek and the Kings LW. I was reading an article about Ryan Miller a couple weeks back and there was a comment about Vanek and a blue highlighted link to another article (from a Canadian paper) and in it the writer theorized that if Vanek doesn't go until the deadline, the Kings might be a team that might land him, and the author noted the top 6 LW hole and the Vanek is roughly in the same age group/experience level of the other Kings top 6 players and that would be an easy adjustment for Sutter.
I don't think it will happen ,but for a moment, I thought how nice would it be to have Kopi centering a line with Vanek?

Would be nice if the kings could land him, probably depends on his asking price and how much the cap goes up. I would like him on a two year deal. Anything longer could hinder LA's ability to re-sign Kopi.
No matter what he would make an excellent rental.

 

[Captain Mittens*]

It's funny you menton Vanek and the Kings LW. I was reading an article about Ryan Miller a couple weeks back and there was a comment about Vanek and a blue highlighted link to another article (from a Canadian paper) and in it the writer theorized that if Vanek doesn't go until the deadline, the Kings might be a team that might land him, and the author noted the top 6 LW hole and the Vanek is roughly in the same age group/experience level of the other Kings top 6 players and that would be an easy adjustment for Sutter.
I don't think it will happen ,but for a moment, I thought how nice would it be to have Kopi centering a line with Vanek?

Would be nice if the kings could land him, probably depends on his asking price and how much the cap goes up. I would like him on a two year deal. Anything longer could hinder LA's ability to re-sign Kopi.
No matter what he would make an excellent rental.

that would be insane!

What is the rumored amount for the cap to go up next season? Anyone heard

I don't think the Kings could even afford his cap hit this season though.

 

[deeshamrock]

that would be insane. But the Kings wouldn't be able to afford him

No, realistically, they wouldn't. He's a player I really love to watch and has been a fairly consistant performer thru his career so far. But not knowing how high the CAP will be (guesstimate 70 M) even if you figure maybe the Kings don't resign Fraser, Carcillo, Ellerby and say Schultz whatever you save there will have to be applied to the players (Lewis, Green etc) who are presumably staying.
So even if Vanek wanted 6 M a year (example) the only way to get there would be moving maybe Stoll. Using his money, that gives you (if the new CAP was 70) about 9 M to work with, and even then figuring in Brown's money, it wouldn't work.
Plus there's Mitchell. Given his age and a knee injury, I'm not sure what they intend to do
Maybe the following year, if the CAP continues to go up, then you can target somebody.

And the other thing, which would carry just as much weight, is the asking price Buffalo would want (I'm sure Vanek will have suitors come deadline time) might be too high.
But that would be nice, Kopi and Vanek on the same line...and would be a killer top 6