Toggle sidebar

Value of: Dan Vladar to Edmonton?

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
  • We're expecting server maintenance on March 3rd starting at midnight, there may be downtime during the work.
lakai17 said:
What does Stan boy have to send the Flames for Dan Vladar? Edmonton are in desperate need of a goaltender if they want to become a real contender while McDavid is still signed.
Click to expand...
Hopefully nothing. Vladar is Skinner redux. Hot and cold, inconsistent. He may have better mechanics than Skinner, but Schwartz would beat that out of him quickly.

Vladar
3.05
.893
99 career ganes

Skinner
2.74
.907
163 career games.

Yes , DV played well last night.

One game does not reflect a reasonable sample size.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheDawnOfANewTage, ElPrimeTime, Jannik Hansen and 6 others
brentashton said:
Hopefully nothing. Vladar is Skinner redux. Hot and cold, inconsistent. He may have better mechanics than Skinner, but Schwartz would beat that out of him quickly.

Vladar
3.05
.893
99 career ganes

Skinner
2.74
.907
163 career games.

Yes , DV played well last night.

One game does not reflect a reasonable sample size.
Click to expand...
You mean this guy ?

 
There's probably not a goalie in the league whose stats consistently don't live up to his hype as much as Vladar. And I'm not saying Flames fans are wrong that he's got talent.

But his GSAx is 56th this year. Last year it was 96th - or third worst in the entire NHL. The year before it was 95th. His career SV% is well, well below 0.900.

I get it - he can steal games, he's had bad luck with the team in front of him, he's had injuries. Well...he's 27 now and he's consistently been bypassed in his current organization for other options as the starter. At some point, the excuses for why his actual material performances have not caught up to what he is capable of become a bit stale. Like he steals games and has stretches of weeks where he looks amazing and then always ends up, statistically one of the worst goalies in the league and not the guy the Flames trust to be their starter. So what does that say?

Is he worth a flier for a team wanting to try and tap some upside and consistency? At his best his best, is he maybe better than Skinner? Possibly. Is he the guy I'm risking a prime McDavid/Drai year on? Absolutely not.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Czechboy and brentashton
Skinner is nowhere near good enough of a starter especially for a team that wants to compete, but Vladar is not an upgrade. Vladar is at best a run of the mill back-up and they already have that with Skinner and Pickard.

It is crazy how much people will overrate goalies like Vladar based on one or two games ignoring the vast majority of games they have been crap in.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DingDongCharlie and PatriceBergeronFan
brentashton said:
Yes. I stated in my initial post that he played well last night. You should post the videos of the stinkers he’s played, but we don’t want to crash the site with volume I suppose.
Click to expand...
Vladar/Skinner tandem might work is all I’m saying
 
FWIW - I would trade Vladar for Pickard. But only after thrououghly exploring Gibson, Vej, Ingrim and Mrazek (yes, I know). I don't think I'd be comfortable starting a 7 game series with Vladar in net. But I would be fine with him coming in IF Stu shits the bed (50-50)
 
Vladar is an upgrade on Skinner. Stu is that bad.

Other better choices than Skinner that could be available: Gibson, Binnington, Soderblom (?), Gibson, Alex Lyon, Cam Talbot, Anton Forsberg, Leevi Merilainen, James Reimer (not even kidding...Skinner is that bad), Jonathan Quick, Jusse Saros (but salary might be a dealbreaker).

Coffee said:
Vladar/Skinner tandem might work is all I’m saying
Click to expand...

Skinner is barely better than Pickard, if at all, and costs 150% more. Stu can go.
 
MessierThanThou said:
Vladar is an upgrade on Skinner. Stu is that bad.

Other better choices than Skinner that could be available: Gibson, Binnington, Soderblom (?), Gibson, Alex Lyon, Cam Talbot, Anton Forsberg, Leevi Merilainen, James Reimer (not even kidding...Skinner is that bad), Jonathan Quick, Jusse Saros (but salary might be a dealbreaker).



Skinner is barely better than Pickard, if at all, and costs 150% more. Stu can go.
Click to expand...

I agree with a lot you said but Anton Forsberg? Why are people still pretending he's good?

Problem with guys like Vladar, they won't be a needle mover. Edmonton isn't looking for a teams ok backup. As you stated Skinner sucks. We need a legit starter.

Saros, Binnington, Gibson, I've got time for these as they are all clear upgrades, proven starters.
 
Vladar is fine but as many others have said he is quite inconsistent. I've watched him for a few years now and the best way I can describe it is that he'll make these great saves or seem like he has really good tracking but really he just overcommits on plays leading to him having to scramble around to make saves. He's a big goalie but plays like he's a small goalie. The skill is definitely there but he needs to be more poised in the net if he wants to become a starter.

Also I think he gets rusty really fast, if he's getting starts fairly consistently then he plays fine, but if you try to play him as a bonafide backup then he will probably struggle.

With the Knight trade I could see Florida being a good landing spot for him since as good as Bob is, he probably can't handle the workload between now and the playoffs. If Edmonton wants a starter upgrade to chase the cup they should probably look for an actual starter
 
DingDongCharlie said:
You'd have to pay us to take him. Wasting 2.2m on an inconsistent backup no better than the already sub par inconsistent Skinner. No thanks.
Click to expand...
OP isn't a Flames fan.

But you're right, Vladar isn't an upgrade on Skinner, don't understand how anyone could think hr is. If he's traded (won't be to EDM), at absolute best he'd return a 3rd with 50% retention which is what Rittich got when he was traded to the Leafs a few years ago.
 
Seachd said:
We’re bringing up the McDavid Window in a Vladar thread?
Click to expand...
I want to bring up the Wolf for Drai dynamic.

A little Ryder, a second + and this deal gets done, setting up the BOA being a showcase again.

Imagine if we gave the keys to a dynasty, yet maybe Drai is a wrecking ball all alone.

Laughs and meltys go there -->
 
DingDongCharlie said:
I agree with a lot you said but Anton Forsberg? Why are people still pretending he's good?

Problem with guys like Vladar, they won't be a needle mover. Edmonton isn't looking for a teams ok backup. As you stated Skinner sucks. We need a legit starter.

Saros, Binnington, Gibson, I've got time for these as they are all clear upgrades, proven starters.
Click to expand...

I would love a legit starter, but we can't settle for the status quo and throw away this season if one isn't available. Keeping this tandem is giving up on the season. The Oilers' tandem is bottom third in the entire league, our goaltending is MUCH worse than ANY team in a playoff spot, by a mile. We basically have two AHL goalies, so yes, even an average goalie like Anton Forsberg is a huge upgrade. Skinner is obviously the one who should go, since we have a 40-game sample size this season to conclude that he's a bad goalie, not to mention that his reputation as a strong playoff performer is comically inaccurate (.894 and three implosions out of six series in two years), and he's making 150% more than Picks.

Also, Forsberg is 40th in GSAx. Skinner and Pickard are 73rd and 75th, respectively. He only has a 22-game sample, but Skinner was near the bottom of the whole league at that point, as was Pickard...

I don't think most Oiler fans even realize how bad the goaltending has been. For much of the season, Skinner was losing the team games they significantly deserved to win, or forcing the team to climb out of a hole of his own doing and win in OT or the third period. The team only recently fell apart...Skinner was bad since day one, save for a six or seven game stretch.
 
brentashton said:
Hopefully nothing. Vladar is Skinner redux. Hot and cold, inconsistent. He may have better mechanics than Skinner, but Schwartz would beat that out of him quickly.

Vladar
3.05
.893
99 career ganes

Skinner
2.74
.907
163 career games.

Yes , DV played well last night.

One game does not reflect a reasonable sample size.
Click to expand...

Ok, but have you considered that you double your chances of catching lightning in a bottle.. by having two bottles?

Boom. If one ain’t good the other will be. It’s science.
 
Junohockeyfan said:
Trading for vladar is pure desperation.
Click to expand...

As a Flames fan, if the Oilers trade for Vladar, I'm wondering if the whole Oilers management group was huffing glue prior to giving Conroy a call.

I'm sure someone will consider Vladar for a back up option, but the Oilers need to target way better than Vladar for a back up option IMO, let alone border line platoon him with someone like Skinner.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom