Confirmed Trade: [DAL/CAR] Mikko Rantanen (signs 8 years, $12M AAV) for Logan Stankoven, c. 2026 1st round, c. 2028 1st round, 2026 3rd round, 2027 3rd round

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Why would I bother to educate someone who is only posting in bad faith?

What indication do you have that I am posting in bad faith? If I was posting in bad faith, why even draw attention to my post?

I counted maybe 3 or 4 people you played the similar game with on the past page alone (attacking the poster, rather than the idea).

Is everybody in this thread discussing things in bad faith? If so, what compels you to engage with all these posters in the way you do?

 

[a mangy Meowth]

What indication do you have that I am posting in bad faith?

Everything about your initial post I quoted. We're done here.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Everything about your initial post I quoted. We're done here.

I wish you nothing but the best, and I hope you will take into consideration why I perceived your posts the way that I did starting from your original reply to mine (similar to the replies you make to many others).

Take care.

 

[AvalancheRy]

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Colorado got Mike Hoffman'd.

They should have had the Hoffman clause where Carolina has to give them a 1st if he is on the reserve list of a team in Colorado's division.

This is a borderline fireable offense, but not for the team everybody thinks. Colorado just gave up a franchise player, within the division, and it was another team who got the value for doing it.

It is also an embarrassment that lends credit to the idea that Rantanen would have caved and stayed at a discount. Would he have stayed in Colorado for 12M? Maybe not due to taxes. But is 12.5M or 13M that crazy?

Carolina also gave up a 3rd, but it was for Taylor Hall - the retention on Rantanen was a proxy for retention on Hall since Rantanen's cap hit was larger - so I think it's fair not to include it.

What a reach. Colorado got a better deal for a UFA Rantanen than Carolina got for a signed one. Those picks and Stankoven don't move the needle for any contending team.

Sure it sucks he got traded w/in the division, but that's just sports. Colorado did very well all things considered. They couldn't afford to have the saga carry into the playoffs.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Could work for both teams. An interesting one to watch play out.

 

[Ncit3]

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Colorado got Mike Hoffman'd.

They should have had the Hoffman clause where Carolina has to give them a 1st if he is on the reserve list of a team in Colorado's division.

This is a borderline fireable offense, but not for the team everybody thinks. Colorado just gave up a franchise player, within the division, and it was another team who got the value for doing it.

It is also an embarrassment that lends credit to the idea that Rantanen would have caved and stayed at a discount. Would he have stayed in Colorado for 12M? Maybe not due to taxes. But is 12.5M or 13M that crazy?

Carolina also gave up a 3rd, but it was for Taylor Hall - the retention on Rantanen was a proxy for retention on Hall since Rantanen's cap hit was larger - so I think it's fair not to include it.

I'm quite okay with everything that has happened. I think it sucks that Mikko is back in division on probably the team most Avalanche fans dislike the most. But once you work through the emotions of the situation you realize that it's going to have cap implications for the Dallas Stars and that most of us Avs fans understand what Mikko Rantanen has looked like over the last two seasons. He's put up numbers, he's also been a major beneficiary of the leagues top scorer and top 2-3 best players. He's oft looked invisible, he plays way smaller than he is, and can have long streaks of just overall playing like he really doesn't care.

Maybe he turns that around in Dallas and cares more or something happens that makes him more visible. We're not sure. If that happens, f*** him an extra time. (Sorry, there are sour emotions for a lot of Avs fans even though we recognize he has the right to go wherever the hell he pleases).

We'll see what the damage is in 2-3 seasons. But at current? I think Martin Necas was tailor made for the Colorado Avalanche. His inclusion on the powerplay has flipped it from underperforming to one in the best in the NHL. Jack Drury is the perfect 4C for this team. And it'll be fun to see the fire lit under MacKinnon's ass playing against Mikko moving forward.

Good for Carolina for salvaging the situation. And screw Dallas and Mikko Rantanen.

 

[Nikki Potnick]

Stars' fans in this thread:

 

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Stars' fans in this thread:

I don't understand the hysterics. We certainly weren't this upset about Nichushkin or Kiviranta going to Colorado.

 

[BusQuets]

Mcfarland is for sure sweating right now. If Rantanen plays big part of Dallas beating Colorado or if Dallas wins the cup. Would be one of the biggest fumbles by gm in salary cup era because i don't remember any team "letting" superstar go to another team when he could have hold on to him.

 

[AvalancheRy]

Mcfarland is for sure sweating right now. If Rantanen plays big part of Dallas beating Colorado or if Dallas wins the cup. Would be one of the biggest fumbles by gm in salary cup era because i don't remember any team "letting" superstar go to another team when he could have hold on to him.

I don't think so at all. I can't recall a single commentator, much less a poster on this forum or anywhere, prognosticating that Rantenen wouldn't sign and he'd end up on Dallas. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

As such, I don't think it's fair to blame the Avs GM for trading a UFA that is playing hardball for actually, really really good value.

 

[MaKarter]

Mcfarland is for sure sweating right now. If Rantanen plays big part of Dallas beating Colorado or if Dallas wins the cup. Would be one of the biggest fumbles by gm in salary cup era because i don't remember any team "letting" superstar go to another team when he could have hold on to him.

I think it will still be a business decision that was the best option for the Avs, even if they lose to the Stars. The Avs front office understands the risk of trading Mikko without a contract agreement means that Mikko could be traded again, and in division.

Cmac decided it was worth the risk, I think it is as well. More importantly, Nathan Mackinnon is fired up and Cale Makar is capable of another "level up" this playoffs if the players around him do their job. If nothing else this decision is much more interesting as a fan than the route of hoping Mikko scores and plays hard.

 

[BusQuets]

I don't think so at all. I can't recall a single commentator, much less a poster on this forum or anywhere, prognosticating that Rantenen wouldn't sign and he'd end up on Dallas. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

As such, I don't think it's fair to blame the Avs GM for trading a UFA that is playing hardball for actually, really really good value.

It's bad GM'ing if he doesn't think that's a possibility. They got a 0.73 ppg guy who is 0.5 ppg in the playoffs.

Make no mistake this has makings of absolute blunder and possibly the makings of Mcfarland's being sacked.

 

[Ncit3]

It's bad GM'ing if he doesn't think that's a possibility. They got a 0.73 ppg guy who is 0.5 ppg in the playoffs.

Make no mistake this has makings of absolute blunder and possibly the makings of Mcfarland's being sacked.

0.73ppg *with Carolina

One of the most defensive and least scorer friendly teams in the league. I mean shit look at Rantanen’s pace after the initial trade. We can’t look at those stats in a vacuum and extrapolate where the hell Necas will be with full seasons next to MacKinnon.

Do you know what is bad GMing? Not understanding that players fit teams differently and can perform better/worse with different teammates.

McFarland didn’t make this trade with any care for Mikko being traded back into division. He made this trade because Martin Necas fits this team like a glove.

 

[dogbazinho]

Rantanen didn't play well in Carolina because he played like a moody little * that didn't want to be there. Meanwhile Jankowski scores 2 in like 2 shifts. Avs could have allowed Canes to negotiate an extension if they wanted to keep him out of the west. They didn't because they knew that after 1 minute of negotiations Canes would have noped out and they'd be stuck with an expiring contract or less return. That and Necas really is a fantastic return.

 

[AvalancheRy]

It's bad GM'ing if he doesn't think that's a possibility. They got a 0.73 ppg guy who is 0.5 ppg in the playoffs.

Make no mistake this has makings of absolute blunder and possibly the makings of Mcfarland's being sacked.

Nah man, insane take. Based on all the information we had at the time, Rantanen had not agreed to a contract and was playing hardball. It would be malpractice to NOT explore a trade for him at that point. And at that point there are really only two considerations, maximizing return and trading him out of the division. Considerations like the one you're making are purely for arm-chair GMs and pundits on TV.

You're saying it's better to hold a pending UFA who may or may not sign at a reasonable price for a playoff run and then risk losing him or overpaying him. That would be a fireable offense.

 

[Albatros]

Nah man, insane take. Based on all the information we had at the time, Rantanen had not agreed to a contract and was playing hardball. It would be malpractice to NOT explore a trade for him at that point. And at that point there are really only two considerations, maximizing return and trading him out of the division. Considerations like the one you're making are purely for arm-chair GMs and pundits on TV.

You're saying it's better to hold a pending UFA who may or may not sign at a reasonable price for a playoff run and then risk losing him or overpaying him. That would be a fireable offense.

You don't need to pull the trigger before the deadline though. Good for them if they liked the return, but it's not like their hand was forced.

 

[Ignatius]

Is Dallas going to ice a Finnish 5 line like Detroit had with the Russian 5? The five Finns must be healthy and available of course.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Jankowski and Stanky combining for 3 goals in their first game as Canes against the best team in the league. Tulsky playing mahjong and the rest of the league is playing 52 card pick up

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Rantanen didn't play well in Carolina because he played like a moody little * that didn't want to be there. Meanwhile Jankowski scores 2 in like 2 shifts. Avs could have allowed Canes to negotiate an extension if they wanted to keep him out of the west. They didn't because they knew that after 1 minute of negotiations Canes would have noped out and they'd be stuck with an expiring contract or less return. That and Necas really is a fantastic return.

Mark Jankowski is a bum. Mikko Rantanen is a top 20 player.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Jankowski and Stanley combining for 3 goals in their first game as Canes against the best team in the league. Tulsky playing mahjong and the rest of the league is playing 52 card pick up

They have had a great start with the Canes for sure.

 

[Zapp]

Jankowski and Stanley combining for 3 goals in their first game as Canes against the best team in the league. Tulsky playing mahjong and the rest of the league is playing 52 card pick up

Yeah Tulsky is a genius for getting Rantanen for a few weeks just to make sure he could trade for Stankoven and Jankowski

 

[benfranklin]

It's bad GM'ing if he doesn't think that's a possibility. They got a 0.73 ppg guy who is 0.5 ppg in the playoffs.

Make no mistake this has makings of absolute blunder and possibly the makings of Mcfarland's being sacked.

Pretty rough take. Look at TOR if Marner doesnt re-sign and they dont win the Cup. Getting literally anything in return is good gm'ing.

The Avs are thrilled with how everything played out. Its a lot of a lot, but the team is better today than it was pre trade deadline and pre-Rantanen trade.

 

[benfranklin]

Yeah Tulsky is a genius for getting Rantanen for a few weeks just to make sure he could trade for Stankoven and Jankowski

That Rantanen Whalers jersey is fire though!

 

[dogbazinho]

Mark Jankowski is a bum. Mikko Rantanen is a top 20 player.

Sorry didn't mean to compare their skills only their effort in a Cane's uniform.

 

[shadow1]

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Colorado got Mike Hoffman'd.

They should have had the Hoffman clause where Carolina has to give them a 1st if he is on the reserve list of a team in Colorado's division.

This is a borderline fireable offense, but not for the team everybody thinks. Colorado just gave up a franchise player, within the division, and it was another team who got the value for doing it.

It is also an embarrassment that lends credit to the idea that Rantanen would have caved and stayed at a discount. Would he have stayed in Colorado for 12M? Maybe not due to taxes. But is 12.5M or 13M that crazy?

Carolina also gave up a 3rd, but it was for Taylor Hall - the retention on Rantanen was a proxy for retention on Hall since Rantanen's cap hit was larger - so I think it's fair not to include it.

Your criticism of Colorado seems based solely on optics rather than how the trade has worked out.

	w/Rantanen	w/Necas
PPG	1.30	1.07
Record	28-19-2 (.592)	10-5-0 (.667)
PP%	17.7% (20th)	38.5% (2nd)
CF% (w/MacK)	57.5%	67.8%
SF% (w/MacK)	59.1%	66.8%
GF% (w/Mack)	55.4%	66.7%
xGF% (w/MacK)	55.9%	70.1%
SCF% (w/MacK)	59.0%	71.1%

My argument is not that Necas > Rantanen. All I am showing is that Necas has been an outstanding fit and has helped turn the Avalanche's season around.

MacFarland took a big risk with this deal, but it has worked out. So I don't understand calling the deal an embarrassment or for his firing.