D Rodwin Dionicio - Niagara IceDogs, OHL (2023, 129th, ANA)

[Dirtyf1ghter]

The Anaheim Ducks who drafted him would seem to disagree with you. As for the other part of your post, that would also seem to be wrong, considering the current draft rankings by scouts.

I'm not sure what you mean by "in the negative", but he is a plus player both in plus minus, which is a shit stat, and in puck possession, which is less so.

You said according to OHL watchers he was not on any radar and NHL teams had no interest in him. Well, I've watched a hell of a lot more OHL than you have, and last year I watched over 300 games of hockey in preparation for the 2023 draft. Can't watch much more than that. So which is it? Which "OHL watchers" were telling you he's bad, despite other OHL watchers like myself, German Spitfire, and Brock all saying basically the same things about him?

And you bring up NHL scouts. Which NHL scouts have you talked to that are low on him? Chris Peters, Gordon Munro and Kyle Pereira all had good things to say about him, noting his potential and value as a late round pick. No, he wasn't going to sniff anywhere near the top 60 because his skating is so bad. But unlike us, who have no or little knowledge about later round draft players being ranked across the league,, NHL teams do put in the effort and follow those prospects in later rounds and have 200-300 players on their list. To say that Dionicio was not any of them, when Anaheim took him in the 5th...well I don't think your opinion on that is based in reality.

I don't watch the Saginaw matches (like everyone else here I'm convinced) but just reading the statistics, it's Jorian Donovan who seems to be the most convincing.

17 points in 16 games for -2 is scary. This means that his team concedes a lot of goals when he is on the ice.

- Why did Anaheim select him after Coulson Pitre, Yegor Sidorov and Konnor Smith ?
- Why he still unsigned at 20 after Coulson Pitre and Yegor Sidorov ?
- Why does his team concede more goals than they score with him in the play-offs when he scores a lot of points ?

His situation is the concretization of the evaluation made by all NHL scouts.

I think he can play in the NHL for a few seasons but he's clearly not a defender who will carry his NHL franchise.

From what I've seen, he's an offensive defenseman who goes forward and obviously, he's not effective enough to occupy this role in the NHL limited to one per team on average. Knowing that in the Anaheim case, there is already Mintyukov in this role.

Afterwards I may be saying stupid things, but I was already talking stupid things last year and the sentence was clear : 5th round.

Basically I came in to say that Rodwin Dionicio was not a new Brent Burns.

Then I said the franchises weren't hot on him last year.

It's on this basis that you contradict me. So what idea are you fighting me for ?

 

[LeProspector]

I don't watch the Saginaw matches (like everyone else here I'm convinced) but just reading the statistics, it's Jorian Donovan who seems to be the most convincing.

17 points in 16 games for -2 is scary. This means that his team concedes a lot of goals when he is on the ice.

- Why did Anaheim select him after Coulson Pitre, Yegor Sidorov and Konnor Smith ?
- Why he still unsigned at 20 after Coulson Pitre and Yegor Sidorov ?
- Why does his team concede more goals than they score with him in the play-offs when he scores a lot of points ?

His situation is the concretization of the evaluation made by all NHL scouts.

I think he can play in the NHL for a few seasons but he's clearly not a defender who will carry his NHL franchise.

From what I've seen, he's an offensive defenseman who goes forward and obviously, he's not effective enough to occupy this role in the NHL limited to one per team on average. Knowing that in the Anaheim case, there is already Mintyukov in this role.

Afterwards I may be saying stupid things, but I was already talking stupid things last year and the sentence was clear : 5th round.

Basically I came in to say that Rodwin Dionicio was not a new Brent Burns.

Then I said the franchises weren't hot on him last year.

It's on this basis that you contradict me. So what idea are you fighting me for ?

Bro, you have some personal vendetta against this player LOL

I want to know the story behind it. Do tell. I smell the passionate hate through my screen.

 

[Hinterland]

I don't watch the Saginaw matches (like everyone else here I'm convinced) but just reading the statistics, it's Jorian Donovan who seems to be the most convincing.

17 points in 16 games for -2 is scary. This means that his team concedes a lot of goals when he is on the ice.

- Why did Anaheim select him after Coulson Pitre, Yegor Sidorov and Konnor Smith ?
- Why he still unsigned at 20 after Coulson Pitre and Yegor Sidorov ?
- Why does his team concede more goals than they score with him in the play-offs when he scores a lot of points ?

His situation is the concretization of the evaluation made by all NHL scouts.

I think he can play in the NHL for a few seasons but he's clearly not a defender who will carry his NHL franchise.

From what I've seen, he's an offensive defenseman who goes forward and obviously, he's not effective enough to occupy this role in the NHL limited to one per team on average. Knowing that in the Anaheim case, there is already Mintyukov in this role.

Afterwards I may be saying stupid things, but I was already talking stupid things last year and the sentence was clear : 5th round.

Basically I came in to say that Rodwin Dionicio was not a new Brent Burns.

Then I said the franchises weren't hot on him last year.

It's on this basis that you contradict me. So what idea are you fighting me for ?

Why wouldn't you watch the Saginaw Spirit? They're currently playing for the Wayne Gretzky trophy and they'll host the Memorial Cup as well.

Can't say I'm surprised you're not watching though...your posts gave it away already. I suggest watching though. If you ever wanna watch the Saginaw Spirit, now is the time. Might also help you to better understand and evaluate the upside of Dionicio and other OHL prospects.

If you're not watching a player my suggestion would be to stop posting on the matter instead of making up bs based on stats and then justify it via what your imaginary friends told you.

 

[Giguere27]

Oh boy, next round of dirtyf1ghter vs the rest - the peace lasted just some months

If you read his take about Mintyukov in his last post, you can end the discussion. This is ridiculous.

As a Ducks fan, I’m just happy about Dionicios season and progress. Time will tell, if he will make the NHL someday, but almost a year after the draft, he looks like a good pick in the 5th round

 

[Hinterland]

Oh boy, next round of dirtyf1ghter vs the rest - the peace lasted just some months

If you read his take about Mintyukov in his last post, you can end the discussion. This is ridiculous.

As a Ducks fan, I’m just happy about Dionicios season and progress. Time will tell, if he will make the NHL someday, but almost a year after the draft, he looks like a good pick in the 5th round

Exactly that. Dionicio is still a long shot to make the NHL but so far so good for a 5th rounder. Next season will be very interesting.

 

[LeProspector]

Exactly that. Dionicio is still a long shot to make the NHL but so far so good for a 5th rounder. Next season will be very interesting.

I think that’s the point everyone is trying to make, not sure why that poster wants to argue this.

 

[DollardStLaurent]

I've noticed that he has 126 PIM's in 60 games for Saginaw. Is he a fighter or just takes a lot of penalties?

 

[LeProspector]

I've noticed that he has 126 PIM's in 60 games for Saginaw. Is he a fighter or just takes a lot of penalties?

Pretty undisciplined.

 

[Hinterland]

Pretty undisciplined.

It's a bit of both. He has four fights and some of these penalties were offsetting as well. Not all of these penalties were bad but discipline is definitely still a problem for Dionicio. And even though some of those PIM were good minutes, in most situations Saginaw would still rather have him on the ice than in the box. He's too important.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I don't watch the Saginaw matches (like everyone else here I'm convinced) but just reading the statistics, it's Jorian Donovan who seems to be the most convincing.

17 points in 16 games for -2 is scary. This means that his team concedes a lot of goals when he is on the ice.

- Why does his team concede more goals than they score with him in the play-offs when he scores a lot of points ?

I think he can play in the NHL for a few seasons but he's clearly not a defender who will carry his NHL franchise.

From what I've seen, he's an offensive defenseman who goes forward and obviously, he's not effective enough to occupy this role in the NHL limited to one per team on average. Knowing that in the Anaheim case, there is already Mintyukov in this role.

Basically I came in to say that Rodwin Dionicio was not a new Brent Burns.

Quit stat watching and having shitty takes that are not based in reality because you're twisting people's words.


1. Donovan is a pretty okay player but he does not have anywhere near the upside that Dionicio has. And you're watching stats again, clearly, which doesn't even make any sense, because Donovan has not been the best player for Saginaw in the playoffs or in this series. And it's not close. Both Parekh and Dionicio have been better and Dionicio has been BY FAR the best player in this series for Saginaw. Maybe even the best player overall. Why are you discounting the two games he went absolutely beast mode and brought the team back for game 6? That wasn't anyone else. That was Rodwin Dionicio putting the team on his back both offensively and defensively. Quit ignoring it. He was BYYYYYYY FARRRRRRR the best player for Saginaw in games 1 and 2. He was BY FARRRRRRRRR the best player for Saginaw in games 3 and 5.

Dionicio was -5 in Game 4. Do you understand what that means? Do you understand that because he BYYYYYY FARRRRRR plays the most minutes on the team he is going to have shit games when the team gets blown the f*** out, regardless of whether those goals are his fault or not? Are you aware that Owen Beck and Haight were -4 and -5 in that game too?

If you really think that the Saginaw Spirit are better with him off the ice than on the ice because of his f***ing plus minus you are insane and need to re-evaluate how you analyze players because there is absolutely no basis for that in reality. He is a FANTASTIC puck possession player who DRIVES play by HIMSELF and is one of the ONLY reasons they are still in this series. Saginaw would not have made it past game 4 without him. Period. Anyone with eyes can see this. You apparently don't use yours, so I don't expect much, but come on dude.

2. Nope, wrong, error sound, buzzer sound, wrong wrong wrong. He is not just an offensive player any more. He does not play at forward or like a forward. He has VASTLY improved his game this year with Saginaw and is being given TREMENDOUS responsibility because of it. His defense is GOOD. He handles rushes WELL. He has limited Cowan and Barkey in their chances because of this. He is not perfect defensively or offensively, yes. He makes mistakes, yes. He is still BY FAR the best defensive player on Saginaw this series. He has elevated his game a tremendous amount.

Obviously he's not effective enough to do this at the NHL level? Well there's nothing obvious about it. If he improves his skating he is a LOCK to be a productive NHL player at some level. His UPSIDE, his UPSIDE is that he could be a Brent Burns or Cale Makar type, TYPE, player, who is good at both ends of the ice. Will he reach that upside? Who knows! He could be nothing! He could be really good! Nobody can look into the future, least of all you. And NOBODY has said he is a LOCK to be a Brent Burns type defenseman in the NHL. Stop acting like people have. He was COMPARED stylistically and that his UPSIDE could be that. And that is TRUE.

Stylistically Michael Carcone plays like Ovechkin. Is he going to be as good as Ovechkin? NO! is he going to bang bodies like Ovechkin? NO! But that's how he plays.

I don't know what your agenda is, and I don't care. If you're going to continue to be deliberately obtuse, that just shows what kind of a person you are. Not gonna keep arguing with someone who has less than no idea what they're talking about and refuses to look at any positives whatsoever while focusing solely on the negatives and deliberately misconstruing what people say.

Have a good one!

 

[LeProspector]

Quit stat watching and having shitty takes that are not based in reality because you're twisting people's words.

1. Donovan is a pretty okay player but he does not have anywhere near the upside that Dionicio has. And you're watching stats again, clearly, which doesn't even make any sense, because Donovan has not been the best player for Saginaw in the playoffs or in this series. And it's not close. Both Parekh and Dionicio have been better and Dionicio has been BY FAR the best player in this series for Saginaw. Maybe even the best player overall. Why are you discounting the two games he went absolutely beast mode and brought the team back for game 6? That wasn't anyone else. That was Rodwin Dionicio putting the team on his back both offensively and defensively. Quit ignoring it. He was BYYYYYYY FARRRRRRR the best player for Saginaw in games 1 and 2. He was BY FARRRRRRRRR the best player for Saginaw in games 3 and 5.

He was -5 in Game 4. Do you understand what that means? Do you understand that because he BYYYYYY FARRRRRR plays the most minutes on the team he is going to have shit games when the team gets blown the f*** out, regardless of whether those goals are his fault or not? Are you aware that Owen Beck and Haight were -4 and -5 in that game too?

If you really think that the Saginaw Spirit are better with him off the ice than on the ice because of his f***ing plus minus you are insane and need to re-evaluate how you analyze players because there is absolutely no basis for that in reality. He is a FANTASTIC puck possession player who DRIVES play by HIMSELF and is one of the ONLY reasons they are still in this series. Saginaw would not have made it past game 4 without him. Period. Anyone with eyes can see this. You apparently don't use yours, so I don't expect much, but come on dude.

2. Nope, wrong, error sound, buzzer sound, wrong wrong wrong. He is not just an offensive player any more. He does not play at forward or like a forward. He has VASTLY improved his game this year with Saginaw and is being given TREMENDOUS responsibility because of it. His defense is GOOD. He handles rushes WELL. He has limited Cowan and Barkey in their chances because of this. He is not perfect defensively or offensively, yes. He makes mistakes, yes. He is still BY FAR the best defensive player on Saginaw this series. He has elevated his game a tremendous amount.

Obviously he's not effective enough to do this at the NHL level? Well there's nothing obvious about it. If he improves his skating he is a LOCK to be a productive NHL player at some level. His UPSIDE, his UPSIDE is that he could be a Brent Burns or Cale Makar type, TYPE, player, who is good at both ends of the ice. Will he reach that upside? Who knows! He could be nothing! He could be really good! Nobody can look into the future, least of all you. And NOBODY has said he is a LOCK to be a Brent Burns type defenseman in the NHL. Stop acting like people have. He was COMPARED stylistically and that his UPSIDE could be that. And that is TRUE.

Stylistically Michael Carcone plays like Ovechkin. Is he going to be as good as Ovechkin? NO! is he going to bang bodies like Ovechkin? NO! But that's how he plays.

I don't know what your agenda is, and I don't care. If you're going to continue to be deliberately obtuse, that just shows what kind of a person you are. Not gonna keep arguing with someone who has less than no idea what they're talking about and refuses to look at any positives whatsoever while focusing solely on the negatives and deliberately misconstruing what people say.

Have a good one!

This is my favourite post of all time. Thank you for this.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Had to go back and take another look at Donovan's stats because saying "it's Jorian Donovan who seems to be the most convincing." was such a bizarre take. Donovan isn't even a top 5 player in Saginaw. Donovan is the 4th best defenseman on the team. Donovan isn't playing better defense than Hache or Dionicio. I'm not sure if you're calling him the best player in the London series, the best player on the team, the best defenseman, or what, but just none of these are true. He has 8 points in 16 games and in 2 in his last 5. Dionicio has more offense in his pinky finger than Donovan has. Parekh, Hache, and Dionicio are all better defenseman. Beck, Haight, and Misa exist???? This is truly a baffling take. Hache is literally just a better version of Donovan who is meaner and better around the net. Dionicio's stick work off the puck isn't as good as Donovan's and that's pretty much the only thing Donovan has going for him over Dionicio. And really? You're going to say a 5th rounder is better than another 5th rounder, when all the things you said about Dionicio being a 5th rounder also apply to Donovan? Really?

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Bro, you have some personal vendetta against this player LOL

I want to know the story behind it. Do tell. I smell the passionate hate through my screen.

Nothing to do with feeling. I reacted to the fact that this player was compared to Brent Burns before being selected only in the 5th round and now because a user is talking about him as an exceptional talent.
The reports I had were that his defense is too weak to be considered high by an NHL franchise. If I don't react here, I never react.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Why wouldn't you watch the Saginaw Spirit? They're currently playing for the Wayne Gretzky trophy and they'll host the Memorial Cup as well.

Can't say I'm surprised you're not watching though...your posts gave it away already. I suggest watching though. If you ever wanna watch the Saginaw Spirit, now is the time. Might also help you to better understand and evaluate the upside of Dionicio and other OHL prospects.

If you're not watching a player my suggestion would be to stop posting on the matter instead of making up bs based on stats and then justify it via what your imaginary friends told you.

Why don't I watch Saginaw ? Maybe because I have a life balanced by work, social and family and because the time I have to devote to hockey, I use it to watch Boston vs Toronto. And that already takes a lot of time.Scouting Saginaw takes at least a hundred hours and it's just one team. NHL franchises pay guys to dedicate their lives to this.

I know you don't watch the games. You're just here to showcase your Swiss nationalism. You don't listen to people when they tell you that NHL scouts rate Dionicio as failing or that Reber doesn't have the profile and level to excite a franchise and that he's a very uncertain prospect. However, this is information that is materialized by proven events (Dionicio 5th round at 19 years old, Reber evaluated not drafted by the central list). Afterwards the sporting facts will perhaps evolve for these players but today the reality is this.

My suggestion would be that you accept the facts and stop inventing a life with Dionicio as an elite talent or Reber as a top 100 prospect in the future draft.

And then you can even waste your time watching all the Saginaw games, if you don't know what the NHL franchises rate, it's useless. For a defender, playing without the puck is 50 to 80% of the evaluation depending on the player profile (dixit my old coach). So it is not with points that the level is assessed. I thought that with Dragicevic/Simashev last year, the knowledge of the site would evolve.

If you knew hockey, you would understand my point of view and not even try to contradict me. Especially since I'm only disputing the fact that Dionicio is an elite talent. Basically, you were talking about exceptional talent. Delusional.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Quit stat watching and having shitty takes that are not based in reality because you're twisting people's words.


1. Donovan is a pretty okay player but he does not have anywhere near the upside that Dionicio has. And you're watching stats again, clearly, which doesn't even make any sense, because Donovan has not been the best player for Saginaw in the playoffs or in this series. And it's not close. Both Parekh and Dionicio have been better and Dionicio has been BY FAR the best player in this series for Saginaw. Maybe even the best player overall. Why are you discounting the two games he went absolutely beast mode and brought the team back for game 6? That wasn't anyone else. That was Rodwin Dionicio putting the team on his back both offensively and defensively. Quit ignoring it. He was BYYYYYYY FARRRRRRR the best player for Saginaw in games 1 and 2. He was BY FARRRRRRRRR the best player for Saginaw in games 3 and 5.

Dionicio was -5 in Game 4. Do you understand what that means? Do you understand that because he BYYYYYY FARRRRRR plays the most minutes on the team he is going to have shit games when the team gets blown the f*** out, regardless of whether those goals are his fault or not? Are you aware that Owen Beck and Haight were -4 and -5 in that game too?

If you really think that the Saginaw Spirit are better with him off the ice than on the ice because of his f***ing plus minus you are insane and need to re-evaluate how you analyze players because there is absolutely no basis for that in reality. He is a FANTASTIC puck possession player who DRIVES play by HIMSELF and is one of the ONLY reasons they are still in this series. Saginaw would not have made it past game 4 without him. Period. Anyone with eyes can see this. You apparently don't use yours, so I don't expect much, but come on dude.

2. Nope, wrong, error sound, buzzer sound, wrong wrong wrong. He is not just an offensive player any more. He does not play at forward or like a forward. He has VASTLY improved his game this year with Saginaw and is being given TREMENDOUS responsibility because of it. His defense is GOOD. He handles rushes WELL. He has limited Cowan and Barkey in their chances because of this. He is not perfect defensively or offensively, yes. He makes mistakes, yes. He is still BY FAR the best defensive player on Saginaw this series. He has elevated his game a tremendous amount.

Obviously he's not effective enough to do this at the NHL level? Well there's nothing obvious about it. If he improves his skating he is a LOCK to be a productive NHL player at some level. His UPSIDE, his UPSIDE is that he could be a Brent Burns or Cale Makar type, TYPE, player, who is good at both ends of the ice. Will he reach that upside? Who knows! He could be nothing! He could be really good! Nobody can look into the future, least of all you. And NOBODY has said he is a LOCK to be a Brent Burns type defenseman in the NHL. Stop acting like people have. He was COMPARED stylistically and that his UPSIDE could be that. And that is TRUE.

Stylistically Michael Carcone plays like Ovechkin. Is he going to be as good as Ovechkin? NO! is he going to bang bodies like Ovechkin? NO! But that's how he plays.

I don't know what your agenda is, and I don't care. If you're going to continue to be deliberately obtuse, that just shows what kind of a person you are. Not gonna keep arguing with someone who has less than no idea what they're talking about and refuses to look at any positives whatsoever while focusing solely on the negatives and deliberately misconstruing what people say.

Have a good one!

Let's say you wasted your life watching Saginaw. NHL scouts do not have the same evaluation. You write the narrative that suits you by building expertise.

You see a resemblance with Burns, I don't see it. Burns is indefinitely more physical, faster and technical than Dionicio. I do not see the link.

Between Donovan and Dionicio, one has an NHL contract, the other does not.

 

[LeProspector]

Nothing to do with feeling. I reacted to the fact that this player was compared to Brent Burns before being selected only in the 5th round and now because a user is talking about him as an exceptional talent.
The reports I had were that his defense is too weak to be considered high by an NHL franchise. If I don't react here, I never react.

Where the hell did Brent Burns enter your narrative? No one ever spoke about him at all in this discussion.

Anyway, I don’t hate the Burns comparison, I don’t think anyone believes Dionicio is the next Brent Burns but there are similarities there. But you wouldn’t know this since you have admitted to not actually watching the player, and instead you’re proving you know how to read an eliteprospects page.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Where the hell did Brent Burns enter your narrative? No one ever spoke about him at all in this discussion.

Anyway, I don’t hate the Burns comparison, I don’t think anyone believes Dionicio is the next Brent Burns but there are similarities there. But you wouldn’t know this since you have admitted to not actually watching the player, and instead you’re proving you know how to read an eliteprospects page.

German Spitfire : Anyone else get Brent Burns vibes from him ?

Hinterland : Brent Burns isn't far off but I see more of PK Subban in Dionicio. Not sure Dionicio's shot will ever be as hard as Subban's but he's just as electric with the puck on his stick and just as inconsistent against the puck. Both of them can hit like trucks but aren't known as volume hitters. Both of them also tend to do dangerous stupid/dirty stuff at times.

Burns is a good comparison as well but he's both much bigger and softer than Dionicio.

German Spitfire : The more I re-watch the highs of Dionicio, the more I am appreciating his game, the lows are low, sure but man if Dionicio hits, he could be a star in the NHL.

Me : This site... Always a guy to predict things no NHL scout sees.

I read a whole bunch of improbable names but there Rodwin Dionico like the Swiss Brent Burns, the bar is very high.

1 month later, selected 5th Round...

 

[Dead Coyote]

Let's say you wasted your life watching Saginaw. NHL scouts do not have the same evaluation. You write the narrative that suits you by building expertise.

You see a resemblance with Burns, I don't see it. Burns is indefinitely more physical, faster and technical than Dionicio. I do not see the link.

Between Donovan and Dionicio, one has an NHL contract, the other does not.

Well actually, you don't see anything because you've repeatedly said you don't watch him. I wasted my life watching Saginaw? Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired too. I wouldn't even draft you in the 5th

 

[LeProspector]

German Spitfire : Anyone else get Brent Burns vibes from him ?

Hinterland : Brent Burns isn't far off but I see more of PK Subban in Dionicio. Not sure Dionicio's shot will ever be as hard as Subban's but he's just as electric with the puck on his stick and just as inconsistent against the puck. Both of them can hit like trucks but aren't known as volume hitters. Both of them also tend to do dangerous stupid/dirty stuff at times.

Burns is a good comparison as well but he's both much bigger and softer than Dionicio.

German Spitfire : The more I re-watch the highs of Dionicio, the more I am appreciating his game, the lows are low, sure but man if Dionicio hits, he could be a star in the NHL.

Me : This site... Always a guy to predict things no NHL scout sees.

I read a whole bunch of improbable names but there Rodwin Dionico like the Swiss Brent Burns, the bar is very high.

1 month later, selected 5th Round...

Man, this interaction must live in your head rent free if it’s still in your mind over a year later. You brought it up in a discussion that has zero correlation with this.

I don’t think anyone in that conversation said he would be Brent Burns like you believe, but instead that his game reminds them of the player. The fact you’re not able to realize this shows a lot about you.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Well actually, you don't see anything because you've repeatedly said you don't watch him. I wasted my life watching Saginaw? Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired too. I wouldn't even draft you in the 5th

10 years of Magnus League. And you ?

Man, this interaction must live in your head rent free if it’s still in your mind over a year later. You brought it up in a discussion that has zero correlation with this.

I don’t think anyone in that conversation said he would be Brent Burns like you believe, but instead that his game reminds them of the player. The fact you’re not able to realize this shows a lot about you.

Bad faith, as always

 

[Hinterland]

Why don't I watch Saginaw ? Maybe because I have a life balanced by work, social and family and because the time I have to devote to hockey, I use it to watch Boston vs Toronto. And that already takes a lot of time.Scouting Saginaw takes at least a hundred hours and it's just one team. NHL franchises pay guys to dedicate their lives to this.

I know you don't watch the games. You're just here to showcase your Swiss nationalism. You don't listen to people when they tell you that NHL scouts rate Dionicio as failing or that Reber doesn't have the profile and level to excite a franchise and that he's a very uncertain prospect. However, this is information that is materialized by proven events (Dionicio 5th round at 19 years old, Reber evaluated not drafted by the central list). Afterwards the sporting facts will perhaps evolve for these players but today the reality is this.

My suggestion would be that you accept the facts and stop inventing a life with Dionicio as an elite talent or Reber as a top 100 prospect in the future draft.

And then you can even waste your time watching all the Saginaw games, if you don't know what the NHL franchises rate, it's useless. For a defender, playing without the puck is 50 to 80% of the evaluation depending on the player profile (dixit my old coach). So it is not with points that the level is assessed. I thought that with Dragicevic/Simashev last year, the knowledge of the site would evolve.

If you knew hockey, you would understand my point of view and not even try to contradict me. Especially since I'm only disputing the fact that Dionicio is an elite talent. Basically, you were talking about exceptional talent. Delusional.

So you're telling me that you have a life and therefore no time to watch games. If that's true then how you do have time to write bs post about players? I suggest you use your (apparently) precious time to watch games instead of writing stupid posts about players you've never watched.

You're correct. I'm Swiss born. That doesn't mean that I'm only watching Swiss ice hockey. In fact, I'm watching way more NA hockey than Swiss hockey. I haven't watched a game of the Swiss National Team in years, too. Being Swiss born also doesn't mean I'm biased. For example, I always said that JJ Moser doesn't have NHL upside. Well, I was wrong. Unlike you I don't have a problem admitting it when I'm wrong. Despite you claiming it, I actually also never said that Reber should be a top100 pick. And since we're talking about Reber, you're wrong saying that he wasn't listed by Central Scouting. He's #115 on the European skater list. Is he gonna get drafted? I don't know. Could be a close call. I thought he needed to finish the season on a high in order to be a lock but the fact that he missed the the J18 finals in Sweden due to injury and then played the WJC18 hurt probably didn't help his cause.

I strongly suggest watching Dionicio before posting again on the matter. If you watch him you'll realize that he's a pretty unique player. You don't get to draft too many of those defensemen who can do it all. It's very much unclear if Dionicio will ever reach his potential and make it to the NHL but he's fascinating to watch and the upside is clearly there. Which is also why Yakemchuk is gonna go way earlier (top5) this year than many people think. These are just rare prospects.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

So you're telling me that you have a life and therefore no time to watch games. If that's true then how you do have time to write bs post about players? I suggest you use your (apparently) precious time to watch games instead of writing stupid posts about players you've never watched.

You're correct. I'm Swiss born. That doesn't mean that I'm only watching Swiss ice hockey. In fact, I'm watching way more NA hockey than Swiss hockey. I haven't watched a game of the Swiss National Team in years, too. Being Swiss born also doesn't mean I'm biased. For example, I always said that JJ Moser doesn't have NHL upside. Well, I was wrong. Unlike you I don't have a problem admitting it when I'm wrong. Despite you claiming it, I actually also never said that Reber should be a top100 pick. And since we're talking about Reber, you're wrong saying that he wasn't listed by Central Scouting. He's #115 on the European skater list. Is he gonna get drafted? I don't know. Could be a close call. I thought he needed to finish the season on a high in order to be a lock but the fact that he missed the the J18 finals in Sweden due to injury and then played the WJC18 hurt probably didn't help his cause.

I strongly suggest watching Dionicio before posting again on the matter. If you watch him you'll realize that he's a pretty unique player. You don't get to draft too many of those defensemen who can do it all. It's very much unclear if Dionicio will ever reach his potential and make it to the NHL but he's fascinating to watch and the upside is clearly there. Which is also why Yakemchuk is gonna go way earlier (top5) this year than many people think. These are just rare prospects.

I am currently preparing my lessons for next week on my computer and taking breaks.

I'm just saying that this player is not an exceptional talent, nor an elite offensive defenseman, nor a guy who looks like Brent Burns. Just that he's an unsigned 5th round selection.

Ask yourself : how could you have made such a big mistake last year against a guy who doesn't watch the OHL ?

Concerning Reber, 115th European skater that means not drafted (outside the Top 224). 70 is the ceiling for the number of European skaters selected. So he is evaluated by the center around 350th rank.

I have already seen Dionicio play with Switzerland. Not crazy. But asking NHL scouts to look at Dionicio is really blinded (because my comments reflect the view of NHL scouts, not mine). As already said, I had him higher than the franchises. But I think it will be difficult to be an NHL star.

What you see in Dionicio, obviously, no one among the NHL decision-makers sees it.

 

[Hinterland]

I am currently preparing my lessons for next week on my computer and taking breaks.

I'm just saying that this player is not an exceptional talent, nor an elite offensive defenseman, nor a guy who looks like Brent Burns. Just that he's an unsigned 5th round selection.

Ask yourself : how could you have made such a big mistake last year against a guy who doesn't watch the OHL ?

Concerning Reber, 115th European skater that means not drafted (outside the Top 224). 70 is the ceiling for the number of European skaters selected. So he is evaluated by the center around 350th rank.

I have already seen Dionicio play with Switzerland. Not crazy. But asking NHL scouts to look at Dionicio is really blinded (because my comments reflect the view of NHL scouts, not mine). As already said, I had him higher than the franchises. But I think it will be difficult to be an NHL star.

What you see in Dionicio, obviously, no one among the NHL decision-makers sees it.

Well, if you don't wanna watch the player you should at least read the posts.

Rodwin Dionicio wasn't a 5th rounder for a lack of talent. He was a 5th rounder because he's a late bloomer who didn't take hockey seriously for way too long. He was also converted to defense relatively late and played for a Niagara franchise that was a complete mess. Then as an overager you always get drafted a bit later than the younger guys. There are also serious concerns regarding his discipline and decision making and there were question marks around his skating as well though in that regard he improved a lot since the draft.

So again, no scout ever questioned his talent or upside, they think he's unlikely to reach his potential. You just don't understand it because you never watched the player.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

What the hell

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Well, if you don't wanna watch the player you should at least read the posts.

Rodwin Dionicio wasn't a 5th rounder for a lack of talent. He was a 5th rounder because he's a late bloomer who didn't take hockey seriously for way too long. He was also converted to defense relatively late and played for a Niagara franchise that was a complete mess. Then as an overager you always get drafted a bit later than the younger guys. There are also serious concerns regarding his discipline and decision making and there were question marks around his skating as well though in that regard he improved a lot since the draft.

So again, no scout ever questioned his talent or upside, they think he's unlikely to reach his potential. You just don't understand it because you never watched the player.

You can write whatever story you want. But the facts are there. There were many other 19-year-old players selected before him. If the guy is undrafted at 18, 5th round at 19 and unsigned at 20, he's not the superb player you portray in the eyes of the NHL.

Players who have talent on an NHL scale, they are selected very high. They are signed as a priority.