Confirmed with Link: D - Alexander Nikishin signs 2 year ELC

[spockBokk]

It's likely a non-issue, but why does everything have to be so hard with this front office? There's always some sort of issue with any contract negotiation, the Rantanen fiasco, Guentzel...

Just get pen to paper already, AHL games be damned.

 

[MinJaBen]

It's likely a non-issue, but why does everything have to be so hard with this front office?

Just get pen to paper already, AHL games be damned.

Well, I am now officially rooting for Chicago to lose tonight so there is no more incentive to keep him unsigned.

 

[Ole Gil]

It's likely a non-issue, but why does everything have to be so hard with this front office? There's always some sort of issue with any contract negotiation, the Rantanen fiasco, Guentzel...

Just get pen to paper already, AHL games be damned.

Kyle Dubas would already have him signed to an 8 year 140 million dollar deal.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

It's likely a non-issue, but why does everything have to be so hard with this front office? There's always some sort of issue with any contract negotiation, the Rantanen fiasco, Guentzel...

Just get pen to paper already, AHL games be damned.

Everything "seeming" hard with this front office might have something to do with how incredibly well our roster, salary cap and prospect pool have been managed for 7 years now while not only making the playoffs every year but also winning at least 1 round and making a couple conference finals. And that's without core players coming from multiple years of tanking for high draft picks with Svech being the only Canes top 10 pick on our roster.

 

[spockBokk]

Kyle Dubas would already have him signed to an 8 year 140 million dollar deal.

At least he wound have actually him "signed", something the Canes braintrust has issues with

 

[spockBokk]

Everything "seeming" hard with this front office might have something to do with how incredibly well our roster, salary cap and prospect pool have been managed for 7 years now while not only making the playoffs every year but also winning at least 1 round and making a couple conference finals. And that's without core players coming from multiple years of tanking for high draft picks with Svech being the only Canes top 10 pick on our roster.

And they have nothing to show for it other than 2 conference final appearances where they got swept both times.

I think the was the team is run under Dundon is light-years better than it was under Karmanos. However, there are way too many "issues" like this that seem to pop up for absolutely zero reason. There's no point in dicking around with Nikishin. Just register the freaking contract.

 

[SlavinAway]

So, poor wording like I had suggested? Could you please use full sentences and maybe that will stop whatever circular conversation we're having?

Pedantic much?

I'm not sure ending with an ellipsis qualifies as a full sentence but it's definitely progress from you. You'll figure it out eventually.

Who even are you?

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

And they have nothing to show for it other than 2 conference final appearances where they got swept both times.

I think the was the team is run under Dundon is light-years better than it was under Karmanos. However, there are way too many "issues" like this that seem to pop up for absolutely zero reason. There's no point in dicking around with Nikishin. Just register the freaking contract.

5 teams have won the cup in that timeframe, we've been more successful than every single other team except maybe Dallas one could argue. Of the 5 teams that won the cup, all except Vegas have multiple core players who were high lottery picks that turned into franchise superstars. Winning a cup also is never just about who is the best team on paper or best coached or any of that. So much luck is involved -- injuries, hot/cold goaltending, hot/cold special teams, matchups, etc.

I get that it's frustrating to come up short every year but adjusting your expectations may be wise as this has been an incredibly enjoyable period of hockey, one that dozens of other teams' fans would kill for. IF the league were averaged out, teams would win a Cup once every 32 years. Well you have bigger markets and other incredibly well run organizations who you're competing against, including ones who commit to years of sucking to tank and get high picks to set them up for the future and teams like the Rangers who due to location/factors outside of the front office's control have elite players begging to play for them. We're set up for a crack at it every single year for the foreseeable future and have a better chance than most to win it at least once going forward. So I really can't complain about these "issues" you speak of.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Well, I am now officially rooting for Chicago to lose tonight so there is no more incentive to keep him unsigned.

I think the AHL thing is just an excuse. I think we're hoping to keep him unsigned until the season officially ends, then sign him to a deal in the off-season. Unless I'm mistaken, that wouldn't burn a year off his ELC if done that way. It's stupid and unbelievably risky, but it makes more sense than the AHL thing.

 

[Stanky and Janky]

And they have nothing to show for it other than 2 conference final appearances where they got swept both times.

I think the was the team is run under Dundon is light-years better than it was under Karmanos. However, there are way too many "issues" like this that seem to pop up for absolutely zero reason. There's no point in dicking around with Nikishin. Just register the freaking contract.

Meh, the vast majority of teams have no more to be shown for being run in the way you'd want and most have much less to show. We all have things that we wish were done a little differently, but things aren't likely to change anytime soon. The positives of the way our team is run way outweigh the negatives.

I think it's also good to remember that because we do things differently, we are frequently the target of other folks and that leads to things getting blown out of proportion and narratives that may not always reflect the full truth. And for each of the handful of contracts we took our time on and had issues like with Guentzel leaving, there have been others that took a while and people complained and things got done in the end with no major issue, like Svech and Jarvis.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I think the AHL thing is just an excuse. I think we're hoping to keep him unsigned until the season officially ends, then sign him to a deal in the off-season. Unless I'm mistaken, that wouldn't burn a year off his ELC if done that way. It's stupid and unbelievably risky, but it makes more sense than the AHL thing.

That is just incredibly unlikely. Tulsky has been up front and honest when he speaks, unlike Waddell, and he said it's purely for the AHL possibility. Plus it really doesn't make any sense to rush SKA to release him, go through the VISA hassles, and make a big deal of him arriving, meeting with Rod, announce we've agreed to terms, have him practicing, etc. only to wait to sign him in the offseason.

The AHL factor does actually make sense to keep open as a possibility if we are eliminated and the Wolves keep advancing -- of course it looks unlikely right now but if Rod isn't planning to play him game 3 then why would we put pen to paper now other than to appease Nikishin's temporary frustration (who may not even care at all about being signed vs unsigned if he's not getting minutes in the NHL anyways). Not to mention all the reports of us already trying to negotiate an extension past the ELC for this summer which is only an option if we burn that ELC year.

Odds are within the next several days he will be signed and possibly even get into a game and we'll all forget this nonsense today even came up.

 

[HisIceness]

Yeah I'm not going to panic but this ordeal is a bit frustrating.

 

[Lempo]

I think the AHL thing is just an excuse. I think we're hoping to keep him unsigned until the season officially ends, then sign him to a deal in the off-season. Unless I'm mistaken, that wouldn't burn a year off his ELC if done that way. It's stupid and unbelievably risky, but it makes more sense than the AHL thing.

The only benefit we would get from that is that his ELC and ELC salary would go on for another year, which would give him a massive incentive to squeeze back every penny he was stolen when it's time to negotiate for his RFA. This* is how Toronto got Marner signed onto a stupid RFA contract.

(* Not like this obviously, but he went all in to recover the money lost due to Lou not giving him his schedule B bonus for his ELC)

All in all it might be cheaper in the end if we extend him sooner than later, if he's as good as expected and makes his case for two years on the ELC.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Part of me understands the keep him flexible for AHL games but OTH he is your top prospect that is very likely a high level NHL player.

don't send him to Chicago!!!!!!!!!

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah I'm not going to panic but this ordeal is a bit frustrating.

That’s kind of where I’m at. This entire kerfuffle simply did not need to happen. If we had signed him shortly after arriving, as was expected, none of this comes up. Instead, we try and make an unusual move and it (unsurprisingly) becomes more of a hassle than expected.

 

[DaveG]

That’s kind of where I’m at. This entire kerfuffle simply did not need to happen. If we had signed him shortly after arriving, as was expected, none of this comes up. Instead, we try and make an unusual move and it (unsurprisingly) becomes more of a hassle than expected.

I also think that's why there was a rush to get him over that just didn't work out for whatever reason. Unless I'm mistaken if we had managed to get him over in time for AHL action we could have assigned him to Chicago on his elc deal and it just would have meant one less guy called up for the last two games.

 

[LakeLivin]

If only Canes management were able to communicate with Nikishin directly to gauge where he stands instead of having to rely on some internet tweet of questionable veracity . . .

#HF26emotionaltourettes

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

If they burn the year, Nikishin will be an RFA in the Summer of 26 with 3 years of control and not eligible for arbitration

If they don’t, Nikishin will be an RFA in the Summer of 27 with 2 years of control and eligible for arbitration.

For a team that manages the cap in a way that results in flexibility on a yearly basis, there’s not a need for a super cheap ELC season that justifies squeezing him.

Take Tulsky’s justification at face value. Don’t fall into the Dundon is cheap trap.

 

[Derailed75]

Anyone that's actually involved in this (like his actual agent, Tulsky) say there is no problem.

 

[Stanky and Janky]

I'm guessing even if he'd signed the blowhard would have still complained that he wasn't playing yet. And while I'd liked to have see him in already I understand having a stance of sticking with guys you know in the league over the guy that just got over to North America.

 

[barriers]

Pedantic much?


Who even are you?

Canes/Wolves

 

[Sombastate]

Sorry to barge in on your board, but the main boards are a nightmare as one can expect.

Can i get a summary on what we actually know? Really rooting for you guys since my team stinks to high hell and i want to see Rod get his

 

[DaveG]

Sorry to barge in on your board, but the main boards are a nightmare as one can expect.

Can i get a summary on what we actually know? Really rooting for you guys since my team stinks to high hell and i want to see Rod get his

So what we know for sure:

The only way Nikishin would be eligible for the AHL playoffs by the time he came over is on a PTO. So the Canes are trying to keep their options open there especially with no injuries on the defense that would be enough to take someone out of the lineup in this series.

The Canadian visa situation kept him out of the last two games of the season. The American visa has been secured and he has been practicing with the team.

Given the AHL possibility the contact has not been signed yet, but according to our GM and his American agent has been agreed to.

 

[WreckingCrew]

The only other question then is, if the goal is to get him some AHL games why haven't they gotten Chicago to give him an ATO? He theoretically would feast on AHL talent and carry the Wolves probably

 

[Blueline Bomber]

The only other question then is, if the goal is to get him some AHL games why haven't they gotten Chicago to give him an ATO? He theoretically would feast on AHL talent and carry the Wolves probably

Because Chicago plays (quite possibly) their last game of the season tonight. Doesn't make sense to have him sign that and send him to Chicago if he's not going to play there either.