WJC: Czech Republic 2020 Roster Talk

[cbtitan]

Yes the Barinka situation has turned around 180 degrees. First he had a guaranteed place regardless of how good he was and now he wont come when he is possibly legitimately invited. But that is his choice.

Again I dont think Malik is necessarily out of place in the lineup - just that he owns a spot automatically. And that is bad for everyone involved. It is entirely possible that this years coaching staff is just doing their job and doing it well, difficult to argue with that because no one knows how good all the available players are, even less than other years.

The result on the ice is not great IMHO.

Kind of pityful that they dis not give a start to Bednar when you look at the goaltenders stats in the Tournament.

 

[smitty10]

Kind of pityful that they dis not give a start to Bednar when you look at the goaltenders stats in the Tournament.

I probably would have started Parik, but yes, why not Bednar? Should have given him a shot against Austria to get warmed up.

Malik playing just doesn't make sense to me. 3 drafted goalies and you choose a guy who was passed over by 31 teams 7 times?

 

[Czechboy]

Malik is terrible. Please explain to me why he's playing over 3 drafted goalies? There's a reason they were selected and he wasn't.

I'm just as confused why he was declared the number 1 before it even began.

I did say before tourney began that I wouldn't blame goalies and I don't but it just seems like there might be more to it...

 

[Czechboy]

I probably would have started Parik, but yes, why not Bednar? Should have given him a shot against Austria to get warmed up.

Malik playing just doesn't make sense to me. 3 drafted goalies and you choose a guy who was passed over by 31 teams 7 times?

and 31 more teams by 7 next draft as well.

 

[Czechboy]

I probably would have started Parik, but yes, why not Bednar? Should have given him a shot against Austria to get warmed up.

Malik playing just doesn't make sense to me. 3 drafted goalies and you choose a guy who was passed over by 31 teams 7 times?

and 31 more teams by 7 next draft as well.

 

[smitty10]

and 31 more teams by 7 next draft as well.

32 teams next year..even worse...

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

I probably would have started Parik, but yes, why not Bednar? Should have given him a shot against Austria to get warmed up.

Malik playing just doesn't make sense to me. 3 drafted goalies and you choose a guy who was passed over by 31 teams 7 times?

Not sure you can use NHL Draft status as a barometer as to the level of a goalie at the present time. Dobes played a handful of USHL games last season and has yet to play for Ohio State this season. I'd imagine the Canadiens drafted him more based on his potential and size than where his game is today.

Seeing as we don't have access to the team's practices, nor the physical condition of either Bednar nor Parik, it stands to reason that there are reasons the staff chose to go with Malik.

 

[Czechboy]

I've read the theory that this tournament should produce a good line every year for the senior team... I'm guessing we produced a D pairing in Svozil and Jiricek. I hope that works out. I can't say any of our forwards are a lock to make the NHL to be honest. I'll hope for Mysak, Teply, Pytlik etc but I woudln't say anyone is more of a guarantee than Spacek or D. Kase.

Still, if we can get 2 NHL D out of this, that's a good contribution since it's our biggest weakness.

 

[Wooren]

I wasn't a fan when Mlejnek announced Malik as the starter for the tournament, but I don't think he was bad. The undrafted argument is a really odd one, for what we know he could have been the top undrafted on some team's list. He is a worse prospect than Parik and Bednar, but he might not be the worse goalie at the moment. Either way, it's the forwards who deserve criticism, not the goalie(s).

 

[wings5]

I wasn't a fan when Mlejnek announced Malik as the starter for the tournament, but I don't think he was bad. The undrafted argument is a really odd one, for what we know he could have been the top undrafted on some team's list. He is a worse prospect than Parik and Bednar, but he might not be the worse goalie at the moment. Either way, it's the forwards who deserve criticism, not the goalie(s).

I agree, Czechs got shutout , goaltending clearly wasn’t the only problem. Wasn’t the deciding factor at all in the quarterfinal game

 

[Czechboy]

 

[Czechboy]

3 goals in 4 games against Top 5. Only team not to score in quarters. I'd definitely agree that goal scoring was a problem.

 

[tade]

Any early predictions for next year's WJC? Who should belong among our top forwards? Mysak, P. Novak, Gut, J. Konecny ... ?

 

[Czechboy]

Any early predictions for next year's WJC? Who should belong among our top forwards? Mysak, P. Novak, Gut, J. Konecny ... ?

I'm really curious for everyones answers... they said 10 guys can come back. So there is half the team already... but I'm not sure who the 10 are? A stronger Svozil and Jiricek will set us up with the best D we've had in a decade. Didn't even know Mysak could come back...

 

[Czechboy]

Took a quick look... I don't fully understand the rules for what the age cutoff is? Eg. Mysak, Raska, Novak and Pytlik were all drafted this year but 2 of them appear out for next year? I only counted 8 guys.

2 returning goalies and add Krutil to Svozil/Jiricek is a great start. Mysak/Novak/Gut is a nice start for forwards. No way do I believe we have much more to make our forwards more competivie.

It'll be another quarter and out. We do have the pool with Austria and Germany so no pool of death at least. That Germany game will be circled.

Anyone have better insight?

 

[Wooren]

I'm really curious for everyones answers... they said 10 guys can come back. So there is half the team already... but I'm not sure who the 10 are? A stronger Svozil and Jiricek will set us up with the best D we've had in a decade. Didn't even know Mysak could come back...

There are eight players eligible for next year - goalies Malik and Bednar, defensemen Svozil, Jiricek and Krutil, forwards Mysak, Novak and Gut.

 

[Philip Kessel]

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Took a quick look... I don't fully understand the rules for what the age cutoff is? Eg. Mysak, Raska, Novak and Pytlik were all drafted this year but 2 of them appear out for next year? I only counted 8 guys.

2 returning goalies and add Krutil to Svozil/Jiricek is a great start. Mysak/Novak/Gut is a nice start for forwards. No way do I believe we have much more to make our forwards more competivie.

It'll be another quarter and out. We do have the pool with Austria and Germany so no pool of death at least. That Germany game will be circled.

Anyone have better insight?

...Look at birthyears. 2002 can return, 2001 cannot. Pytlik, born in september 2001 was 19 prior to the tournament starting. It's U-20 meaning nobody older than 19 (as of the start of the tournament) can play.

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Důvody debaklů dvacítky: od bruslení po buly. Skill kouč hledá cesty Czech hockey is so f***ed up.

 

[Czechboy]

There are eight players eligible for next year - goalies Malik and Bednar, defensemen Svozil, Jiricek and Krutil, forwards Mysak, Novak and Gut.

You know more than me on this... do we have any impact forwards coming up to add to this crew or will Mysak/Novak/Gut be carrying the offence (assuming all are around next year)?

I can see adding Hamara (who I've never seen) to the already good D core and having a nice D core.

I can see the goalies coming back and that being good too.

 

[Wooren]

You know more than me on this... do we have any impact forwards coming up to add to this crew or will Mysak/Novak/Gut be carrying the offence (assuming all are around next year)?

I can see adding Hamara (who I've never seen) to the already good D core and having a nice D core.

I can see the goalies coming back and that being good too.

Not really, those three you mentioned should be the leaders offensively.

 

[Dirtyf1ghter]

Next year the team should be better especially in goalkeepers and defenders.

G Jan Bednar (2002)
G Nick Malik (2002)
G Patrik Hamrla (2003)

D Michael Krutil (2002)
D Ondrej Balaz (2002)
D Stanislav Svozil (2003)
D David Jiricek (2003)
D Jiri Tichacek (2003)
D Tomas Hamara (2004)
D Ales Cech (2004)

W Jan Mysak (2002)
W Pavel Novak (2002)
W Jakub Konecny (2002)
W Tomas Urban (2002)
W Sebastian Malat (2002)
W Josef Kolacek (2002)
W Stanislav Vrhel (2002)
W Martin Risavy (2003)
W Simon Slavicek (2004)

C Michal Gut (2002)
C Tobias Handl (2002)
C Tomas Chlubna (2002)
C Ivan Ivan (2002)

I think it should look something like this

 

[czechcanadian]

"In 2009, the Finnish Ice Hockey Association (FIHA) convened a summit with all of the country’s key ice hockey personnel, hosted at the Vierumäki Sports Institute (mainly owned by the FIHA). Coaches, agents, scouts, team leaders, general managers, and others were all invited for what was essentially a brainstorm to revise their strategy on player development."

Quote comes from this article, which admitedly isn't the best source for this kind of information, but no reason to believe it's not right considering it also contains quotes by people working in Finnish hockey.
So in reality Finland revamped their system even faster than I stated in my previous post...


Yeah sorry, in a 10 years period of time I want to see more than a slight change of mentality.


Results of the U16 category are always close. I don't see any diffence compared to last few years. And they lost to Slovakia twice, the first one came at the Summer Redbull tournament where both teams had their top selections for most part.
By the way, based on what exactly are you putting any faith into the 05's? Have you seen any of them? They haven't even gotten a single international game under their belt.


Straka still ended up with 3 NHL games. Ruzicka's D+1 season in Extraliga blows Mysak's out of the water, and yet Mysak is our top prospect and even the captain. Seems to me you are downplaying those past prospects due to how their careers eventually went.


It becomes completely irrelevant if Czechs take one step forward when other nations take three steps. Who cares if this year's team is slightly more skilled than the one ten years ago, they are still a laughing stock for any of the good nations.

Hey man I love the debate!
Honestly I think Czech hockey just had more to overcome. Again, it was always going to be a slower process.
But I will agree that it’s been too slow and by this time they should have a solid plan in place. Unfortunately that’s not the case and it’s frustrating for sure. What’s the answer? Do we minimize the amount of teams? Concentrate the talent to a smaller league?

 

[GettingYourMoms]

Next year the team should be better especially in goalkeepers and defenders.

G Jan Bednar (2002)
G Nick Malik (2002)
G Patrik Hamrla (2003)

D Michael Krutil (2002)
D Ondrej Balaz (2002)
D Stanislav Svozil (2003)
D David Jiricek (2003)
D Jiri Tichacek (2003)
D Tomas Hamara (2004)
D Ales Cech (2004)

W Jan Mysak (2002)
W Pavel Novak (2002)
W Jakub Konecny (2002)
W Tomas Urban (2002)
W Sebastian Malat (2002)
W Josef Kolacek (2002)
W Stanislav Vrhel (2002)
W Martin Risavy (2003)
W Simon Slavicek (2004)

C Michal Gut (2002)
C Tobias Handl (2002)
C Tomas Chlubna (2002)
C Ivan Ivan (2002)

I think it should look something like this

forwards and goaltending are total garbage

 

[smitty10]

I wasn't a fan when Mlejnek announced Malik as the starter for the tournament, but I don't think he was bad. The undrafted argument is a really odd one, for what we know he could have been the top undrafted on some team's list. He is a worse prospect than Parik and Bednar, but he might not be the worse goalie at the moment. Either way, it's the forwards who deserve criticism, not the goalie(s).

Undrafted becomes an argument because generally the best players in an age group are drafted within 7 rounds even if teams are unsure of their overall potential. Malik posted below average numbers in the OHL last season, while Parik had good numbers in the WHL. Parik is a year older and LA felt he was good enough to be taken in the top 90 players selected.

It doesn't make much sense as to why Malik would be given the reigns over Parik before the tournament started. He's a below average goalie and his numbers, as well as his status with NHL teams, confirm that.

Malik wasn't bad after the first period, but had Parik started would he have made 1 or 2 of those saves that Malik didn't? Would that have shifted the flow of the game? We'll never know, but the question persists because the believed BPA wasn't playing.

 

[czechcanadian]

You know more than me on this... do we have any impact forwards coming up to add to this crew or will Mysak/Novak/Gut be carrying the offence (assuming all are around next year)?

I can see adding Hamara (who I've never seen) to the already good D core and having a nice D core.

I can see the goalies coming back and that being good too.

According to a highly regarded scout (recently hired by Carolina), Hamara is the next best prospect after Lambert currently playing in Finland. I’ve also never seen him live. Just highlights.
More of an offensive defender. Has that extra swagger that Svozil and Jiricek have.