Value of: Current Top 10 Teams: Rank who you feel needs physical/mobile/D zone Defensemen more

[Habs Halifax]

Not saying all these teams makes moves as buyers but usually, the top teams are the ones are are more aggressive at shoring up their roster for a deep playoff run. Of course some of those top 10 teams will change on Mar 21 so if you want to alter your top 10, feel free

Rank who you feel needs to add trusted defenseman who are minute eaters and physical D zone guys. If you are not aware of all the D pairings, go to dailyfaceoff.com.

The narrative here is legit cup contenders who could reach the final 4 but when you look at the year/year final 4, most if not all those teams are strong at the back end.

Possible available physical D zone defenseman on the market: Giordano, Chiarot, Braun, Manson, Risto. Add Manson/Lindholm if the Ducks and Stars sell. Guys like Klingberg/Leddy don't really factor in as physical types IMO.

We could also play the match game. List your 10 teams in need and who you think they get

1) Leafs
2) Blues
3) Panthers
4) Pens
5) Canes
6) Rangers
7) Bruins
8) Caps
10) Avs
* Wild card as always... Tampa. Don't really need to but they did last year with Savard.

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[PocketNines]

Not sure how to rank these teams.

The Blues are simply in the market for a left side defenseman and have been since they tried for Suter in the offseason. I wouldn't know how to rank this status "against" other stati.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Not sure how to rank these teams.

The Blues are simply in the market for a left side defenseman and have been since they tried for Suter in the offseason. I wouldn't know how to rank this status "against" other stati.

I admit, I took a while to rank mine. Forget about if the team makes a move or not (futures protection set aside and the LD/RD need). Who do we feel needs more additions if they were to reach the final 4?

 

[PROUD PAPA]

That's tough to rank. You'd have to be in the know to achieve any accuracy.
But just for fun.........

Carolina
Florida
Colorado
St. Louis
Tampa
Pittsburgh
Toronto
Boston
Washington
NYR

 

[Groo]

Braun a physical defenseman?
I give him major props for his willingness to take a hit to make a play but he's not gong to out muscle anyone

 

[PocketNines]

I admit, I took a while to rank mine. Forget about if the team makes a move or not (futures protection set aside and the LD/RD need). Who do we feel needs more additions if they were to reach the final 4?

Rank the teams on who needs defense the most under the specific hypothetical where the team is rolling? I don't see any way to salvage the ranking part of this because it's both not workable and against each other is not meaningful. You're also asking partisan fans to rank their own perceived needs of other teams.

What you should change it to is asking how much each of these contender teams perceive their own need for adding a top-four playoff minutes defenseman. But just in isolation, not "against" each other, that is too conceptually unwieldy. Maybe on a scale of 1 to 5 with 5 being needs most? Blues would be a 5 on needing an all situations left side defenseman. They are probably a 2 or 3 on that scale for needing another 4th line forward depending on Sundqvist's status, and that's it.

 

[Frenzy31]

I admit, I took a while to rank mine. Forget about if the team makes a move or not (futures protection set aside and the LD/RD need). Who do we feel needs more additions if they were to reach the final 4?

That is hard. I am not familiar enough with the other teams to state what they need - so I will leave that up to their fanbases. Right now, I feel the Blues are missing 1 piece to be considered a true contender for the cup. If they fill the LHD with a number 2-3 dman, then see no reason as to why they wouldn't be considered a Stanely Cup Contender on paper. Lots of depth at forward, solid goal tending, just missing that 1 LHD.

So I guess, based on the question of who needs a dman more - I would guess this.... This is based on looking at the defensive pairings listed on the site you provided. I added Edmonton because..... I think Calgary is a top 10 team with the way they are playing. Minni seems to be dropping back so....


Edmonton
Boston
Toronto
Pittsburg
Washington
St. Louis
Carolina
Florida
NYR
Colorado
Tampa

 

[Habs Halifax]

That is hard. I am not familiar enough with the other teams to state what they need - so I will leave that up to their fanbases. Right now, I feel the Blues are missing 1 piece to be considered a true contender for the cup. If they fill the LHD with a number 2-3 dman, then see no reason as to why they wouldn't be considered a Stanely Cup Contender on paper. Lots of depth at forward, solid goal tending, just missing that 1 LHD.

So I guess, based on the question of who needs a dman more - I would guess this.... This is based on looking at the defensive pairings listed on the site you provided. I added Edmonton because..... I think Calgary is a top 10 team with the way they are playing. Minni seems to be dropping back so....


Edmonton
Boston
Toronto
Pittsburg
Washington
St. Louis
Carolina
Florida
NYR
Colorado
Tampa

It's difficult to do for sure. I'm more interested in seeing the variance or what posters come up with. Are we all over the place or close. .

All I know is that when I look at the yearly final 4, those teams are solid on D. And when I say D, I mean D zone coverage and ability to make things difficult for the other teams coach in the match up game

 

[LTIR]

Oilers will add one of these on the right side at deadline... Hoping for Manson but bracing for Subban

 

[Habs Halifax]

Rank the teams on who needs defense the most under the specific hypothetical where the team is rolling? I don't see any way to salvage the ranking part of this because it's both not workable and against each other is not meaningful. You're also asking partisan fans to rank their own perceived needs of other teams.

What you should change it to is asking how much each of these contender teams perceive their own need for adding a top-four playoff minutes defenseman. But just in isolation, not "against" each other, that is too conceptually unwieldy. Maybe on a scale of 1 to 5 with 5 being needs most? Blues would be a 5 on needing an all situations left side defenseman. They are probably a 2 or 3 on that scale for needing another 4th line forward depending on Sundqvist's status, and that's it.

Nah, I rather set the final 4 bar and how past teams look that reached the final 4. If you feel your team can go on a playoff run, you need to realize that the deeper you go, those physical/mobile types are more value than some realize who focus on points.

Teams like the Leafs, Avs, Oilers have struggled in that area. Teams who are loaded with offense but loose to teams who tighten up with D.

The part where teams want to add but add for low prices will cause post wars IMO. I rather set that aside and see who we all feel needs improvements (regardless of the cost to get them)

 

[PocketNines]

Nah, I rather set the final 4 bar and how past teams look that reached the final 4. If you feel your team can go on a playoff run, you need to realize that the deeper you go, those physical/mobile types are more value than some realize who focus on points.

Teams like the Leafs, Avs, Oilers have struggled in that area. Teams who are loaded with offense but loose to teams who tighten up with D.

I don't disagree with you about the importance of defense for each team that reached the final four but I don't think you can articulate what you are asking to be ranked. In the headline you even have different defensive styles. And we are supposed to rank the teams relative to each other how much they should want a top 4 defenseman who's a physical type? Or one that jumps up in the play/helps in transition? Under the hypothetical that they have just won two rounds with the team they have now? The Blues need only defense and only 1 player, The Leafs need defense and more. Edmonton needs about 6 pieces including 2 major defensemen to be a seriously taken team. So they all need defense but how do we differentiate who needs defense "more?" What does "more" mean when some teams are not one piece away?

I sort of get what you are seeking to capture but it's too multidimensional and too ill defined what those dimensions are. The dimension of "under the circumstances where the team HAS ALREADY reached the final 4" implies that Toronto got past Florida and Tampa ... there's no control element.

 

[Just a Fan]

Oilers will add one of these on the right side at deadline... Hoping for Manson but bracing for Subban

Back off, he's coming to Toronto.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Oilers will add one of these on the right side at deadline... Hoping for Manson but bracing for Subban

Who can fit Subban in at 50%? Prorated $4.5M cap hit? I'm not sure but can the Oilers? I guess you can try to send a contract back? Not saying you should but the Devils are going to have a hard time getting value for Subban due to cap space challenges. This sort of applies to Giordano as well.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Braun a physical defenseman?
I give him major props for his willingness to take a hit to make a play but he's not gong to out muscle anyone

Take him off the physical list then. Add him to the Klingberg/Leddy list but the lower end.

So we are talking about Giordano, Chiarot, Risto, and then Manson? Lindholm as well but he's more of a all around type that provides value in many areas. He should return a lot if the Ducks fall out of the playoff picture and sell.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Back off, he's coming to Toronto.

Ducks schedule from now till Mar 21. 2 pts out right now I believe.

 

[Ainsy01]

flames are ninth and caps are 13th lol

 

[Laus723]

Panthers need a mobile, physical mofo on D, no idea who fits that bill, but imo that’s what Zito is looking for.

 

[Smitty426]

Who can fit Subban in at 50%? Prorated $4.5M cap hit? I'm not sure but can the Oilers? I guess you can try to send a contract back? Not saying you should but the Devils are going to have a hard time getting value for Subban due to cap space challenges. This sort of applies to Giordano as well.

A third team (ex Buf) can take on half of the half for a 4-5th rnd. PK is cheap in real dollars too, less than $1M

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Panthers need a mobile, physical mofo on D, no idea who fits that bill, but imo that’s what Zito is looking for.

Lindholm or Gio would likely be the best fit for them, DeHaan would be my 3rd choice

 

[PettersonHughes]

If term isn't an issue, Hamonic or Poolman can be had as rugged depth (Schenn too, but expect to pay more for him).

 

[Stubu]

Take him off the physical list then. Add him to the Klingberg/Leddy list but the lower end.

So we are talking about Giordano, Chiarot, Risto, and then Manson? Lindholm as well but he's more of a all around type that provides value in many areas. He should return a lot if the Ducks fall out of the playoff picture and sell.

Does Ristolainen really count as a trusted defenseman like you say in your OP? He's physical indeed, but his D-zone play outside the sandpaper act is something awful. I'd think a team considering him might be rather hoping for O-zone contribution, if not just simply the grit (in whichever zone).

BTW, is his name somehow difficult to write? Just noticed it's the only one you keep abbreviating, haha.

 

[trick9]

I don't think the Capitals are in the market for a D. I'm not sure they are even buyers but if they are to acquire someone it's likely a cheapish goalie and/or depth forward.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Does Ristolainen really count as a trusted defenseman like you say in your OP? He's physical indeed, but his D-zone play outside the sandpaper act is something awful. I'd think a team considering him might be rather hoping for O-zone contribution, if not just simply the grit (in whichever zone).

BTW, is his name somehow difficult to write? Just noticed it's the only one you keep abbreviating, haha.

Each one of those physical types are not the same and I do see your point. Just trying to gauge the market and I included him for discussion purposes. He is a min eater and plays physical (hits/60 is very high). But reliable with good IQ? Not really.

 

[The90]

‘Which team is going to pay a first or my equivalent for my precious Chiarot’ - HH

 

[Just a Fan]

Leafs needs:
A. RHD/Goalie (D must be physical D 1st)
B. 2nd line winger

As per Dubas, our 1st is on the table for a player with term (although I think that changes if Lindholm is the target)