Current state of Sens roster formation

[bert]

What? Perron wasnt signed up and paid 4mil to be a 3rd liner, people we're arguing that Joseph was being paid a tad too much at 2.95m and Amadio is a cheaper replacement to justify giving him away and throwing away a pick on top. And isn't Amadio a RW? Why switch him or Giroux to their offside, there is no point in that. We're not a cup caliber team. Why even breakup the Brady-Stu-Giroux line that worked to begin with. None of your arguments make sense. There was no point of this discussion anyhow, we'll just agree he's a 3rd liner and needs to stick to that.

Perron is a pest and wants to play RW. He fits very well with Greig in that role. The teams going to have an identity. That's the point of Staios's moves. As I pointed out in the post you didn't respond to. Amadio plays all 3 forward positions.

Tkachuk Pinto Batherson was amazing last year. A huge line that matches up amazing against other teams top lines.

None of my arguments make sense... My arguments come from the idea this team is being built with purpose. Not an accumulation of talent that doesn't fit. The GM is going it for a reason. It makes sense why you don't like it. You're not seeing what they are doing.

 

[SENStastic]

Perron is a pest and wants to play RW. He fits very well with Greig in that role. The teams going to have an identity. That's the point of Staios's moves. As I pointed out in the post you didn't respond to. Amadio plays all 3 forward positions.

Tkachuk Pinto Batherson was amazing last year. A huge line that matches up amazing against other teams top lines.

None of my arguments make sense... My arguments come from the idea this team is being built with purpose. Not an accumulation of talent that doesn't fit. The GM is going it for a reason. It makes sense why you don't like it. You're not seeing what they are doing.

If you want them to build a pest like identity then it would serve the team better to spread that around than concentrating it in one lineup. Having a line with a pest in Greig, a decent skaing Amadio and a good two way center in Pinto is far more balance and appealing than stapling Perron in there that makes an already mid skating lineup even slower. That doesn't seem balanced, you're already not expecting much production from your 3rd line, having Amadio there as energy makes much more sense.

You leave up the point producers that carry the load, and add some grit there, while still getting some from your bottom 6, not try to force Amadio to fit in where he'll drag production down. You're trying hard to fit him in where he doesn't naturally belong, and its just doesn't making sense to do that. Its as simple as that for me. Amadio belongs on the 3rd line, if he's playing up it still means we're not in a good place.

 

[bert]

If you want them to build a pest like identity then it would serve the team better to spread that around than concentrating it in one lineup. Having a line with a pest in Greig, a decent skaing Amadio and a good two way center in Pinto is far more balance and appealing than stapling Perron in there that makes an already mid skating lineup even slower. That doesn't seem balanced, you're already not expecting much production from your 3rd line, having Amadio there as energy makes much more sense.

You leave up the point producers that carry the load, and add some grit there, while still getting some from your bottom 6, not try to force Amadio to fit in where he'll drag production down. You're trying hard to fit him in where he doesn't naturally belong, and its just doesn't making sense to do that. Its as simple as that for me. Amadio belongs on the 3rd line, if he's playing up it still means we're not in a good place.

No having an identity line makes sense that feeds off of one another because they play that way. Pinto is a much better player than Perron. Greig is much better at center as well, he hangs onto pucks and creates offense and space. Norris should be moved to the wing. This is a lineup thats built with a purpose.

Tkachuk Pinto Batherson
Norris Stutzle Giroux
Amadio Greig Perron
Gregor Ostapchuk Cousins

Send the first line out against the other teams best players same with the third line.

 

[bert]

It matter in terms of chemistry, if you keep switching lineups around they wont be able to find their rhymth if you keep juggling linemates around.. it still stands if Amadio is playing up top with significant minutes then we're definitely not competing for anything with this lineup, especially if you're trying to play players on their weaker offside as a result on top of it all.

You don't seem to grasp how ice time is distributed. Every line takes 35 to 40 second shifts.

 

[SensFanInMTL]

 

[armani]

I tried to break the current roster down as follows, feel free to post yours and the types of moves realistically available to fill those needs.

Foundational (DO NOT TRADE):
1. Tkachuk
2. Stutzle
3. Sanderson
4. Norris
5. Pinto
6. Greig

Veteran Core (TRADE ONLY IF THE ROSTER FAILS AGAIN and VALUE COMING BACK IS RIGHT):
1. Zub
2. Batherson
3. Giroux

Trade chips (ONLY ONE CAN BE TRADED)
1. Chychrun
2. Chabot

Other trade options (DO NOT EXPECT A HIGH RETURN):
1. Matthieu Joseph

Team Needs:
1. Goalie (Ullmark)
2. Second pairing Defensive RD (Jensen)
3. Veteran Physical/shutdown D-MAN (bottom-6, RD preferred)
4. Veteran bottom 6 forward (Amadio, Gregor, Cousins)
5. A top-9 forward who can chip in offensively (Perron)

FUTURE WATCH:
1. Yakemchuk as a top-4 RD

While the team is still lacking that Veteran Physical/shutdown D-MAN (bottom-6, RD preferred), that 3rd pairing is going to be by committee between Kleven, Hamonic (healthy and looked better as such in camp), JBD (looked better in training camp too) and Yakemchuk. All of a sudden, the team’s bottom pairing doesn’t look all that bad. Yak can play up, Jensen can play down if/when needed.

Tkachuk-Stützle-Giroux
Greig-Norris-Batherson
Perron*-Pinto-Amadio
Gregor-Gaudette-Cousins
MacEwen

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-Hamonic
JBD

Ullmark
Forsberg

*Perron can switch on the fly with Greig or Gregor as needed since he has missed camp/getting back from injury but I find him effective as a top-6 guy while Greig is versatile (Line 1 to Line 4 player) and Gregor fits the 4th line.

This is a competitive team with the addition of Ullmark and all the changes Staios made, kudos. Playoffs? If they stay relatively healthy, I think FINALLY YES!

 

[Micklebot]

Gaudette sent down today, I wonder if Jenik or Ostapchuk gets a call up

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Gaudette sent down today, I wonder if Jenik or Ostapchuk gets a call up

He really didn't fit on the 4th line. Jenik or Ostapchuk would be a big improvement.

 

[Micklebot]

He really didn't fit on the 4th line. Jenik or Ostapchuk would be a big improvement.

I think he earned a chance, he's really worked on his play away from the puck, but stylistically he just isn't ideal in that role.

I was rooting for him but I still think Ostapchuk is the best fit, Jenik feels a bit like a center version of Kelly which is fine too, but I don't think he can kill penalties as well Wich is why I like Ostapchuk better.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

What would you rather run with next game...

A) Hamonic and JBD as 2,3RDs
B) Forsberg as the starter; Ullmark not available
C) There is no C lol

 

[Golden_Jet]

What would you rather run with next game...

A) Hamonic and JBD as 2,3RDs
B) Forsberg as the starter; Ullmark not available
C) There is no C lol

as it stands might be running with both A and B

 

[Micklebot]

What would you rather run with next game...

A) Hamonic and JBD as 2,3RDs
B) Forsberg as the starter; Ullmark not available
C) There is no C lol

Definitely A)

 

[BoardsofCanada]

I liked Gregor on the 2nd line with Norris and Bath. That demotes Grieg to 4th line center. I know he deserves better but that does give us four good lines.

With Ullmark in net, I think we're competitive with every team in the league. On the other hand, without Ullmark, it's pretty much a guaranteed loss.

 

[armani]

Gaudette sent down today, I wonder if Jenik or Ostapchuk gets a call up

Up until yesterday, I would have said I prefer either over Ewey MacEwen but he just played like Ovechkin against his former team lol. Gaudette deserved a chance, but doesn't fit the 4th line C role, he is a better call-up when one of the top-9 wingers are out.

I have been waiting for Ostapchuk to take the 4C role that he is destined for (and potentially more in the future). If Greig is out longer, perhaps they call up both the Big O and Double J Jan Jenik.

Also, it's JBD time, Hamonic needs to take a seat for a bit.

 

[Micklebot]

Up until yesterday, I would have said I prefer either over Ewey MacEwen but he just played like Ovechkin against his former team lol. Gaudette deserved a chance, but doesn't fit the 4th line C role, he is a better call-up when one of the top-9 wingers are out.

I have been waiting for Ostapchuk to take the 4C role that he is destined for (and potentially more in the future). If Greig is out longer, perhaps they call up both the Big O and Double J Jan Jenik.

Also, it's JBD time, Hamonic needs to take a seat for a bit.

I thought Hamonic did alright against LA, but either way, with Zub likely out at least a game, I think we'll be seeing JBD, just not to replace Hammer (yet).

 

[armani]

I tried to break the current roster down as follows, feel free to post yours and the types of moves realistically available to fill those needs.

Foundational (DO NOT TRADE):
1. Tkachuk
2. Stutzle
3. Sanderson
4. Norris
5. Pinto
6. Greig

Veteran Core (TRADE ONLY IF THE ROSTER FAILS AGAIN and VALUE COMING BACK IS RIGHT):
1. Zub
2. Batherson
3. Giroux

Trade chips (ONLY ONE CAN BE TRADED)
1. Chychrun
2. Chabot

Other trade options (DO NOT EXPECT A HIGH RETURN):
1. Matthieu Joseph

Team Needs:
1. Goalie (Ullmark)
2. Second pairing Defensive RD (Jensen)
3. Veteran Physical/shutdown D-MAN (bottom-6, RD preferred)
4. Veteran bottom 6 forward (Amadio, Gregor, Cousins)
5. A top-9 forward who can chip in offensively (Perron)

FUTURE WATCH:
1. Yakemchuk as a top-4 RD

Gaudette is a bonus add to this list. He makes the 4th line work, thanks to Ewwwy MacEwen and Cousins’ solid forechecking to create space for Gaudette to shoot pucks. It just works somehow as Gaudette as 4C appeared to be very atypical choice.

Would still love to cross off #3 off the list to bring in a Veteran Physical/shutdown D-MAN (bottom-6, RD preferred), though it’s going to be tough with Hamonic’s NMC and no cap space. Hopefully something comes up by TDL, with the premise that this team finally breaks the dreadlock of .500 hockey and start stringing together wins to be a playoff contender.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

We need the right combination.

Green's adjustment against Boston won us the game:

Giroux-Stützle-Batherson
Tkachuk-Norris-Greig
Gregor-Ostapchuk-Amadio
Cousins-Gaudette-MacEwen

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-Hamonic

Ullmark
Forsberg

That top line is too light for my liking, though. But it is super skilled. I'd keep them together for a bit.

With Pinto and Perron back we look significantly better... and I would try Norris with Stutzle and put back that excellent line of: Tkachuk-Pinto-Batherson. Put Greig back down the middle where he looks more effective.

Giroux-Stützle-Norris
Tkachuk-Pinto-Batherson
Perron-Greig-Amadio
Gregor-Gaudette-McEwan/Cousins

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-Hamonic

Ullmark
Forsberg

 

[DrEasy]

We need the right combination.

Green's adjustment against Boston won us the game:

Giroux-Stützle-Batherson
Tkachuk-Norris-Greig
Gregor-Ostapchuk-Amadio
Cousins-Gaudette-MacEwen

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-Hamonic

Ullmark
Forsberg

That top line is too light for my liking, though. But it is super skilled. I'd keep them together for a bit.

With Pinto and Perron back we look significantly better... and I would try Norris with Stutzle and put back that excellent line of: Tkachuk-Pinto-Batherson. Put Greig back down the middle where he looks more effective.

Giroux-Stützle-Norris
Tkachuk-Pinto-Batherson
Perron-Greig-Amadio
Gregor-Gaudette-McEwan/Cousins

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot-Jensen
Kleven-Hamonic

Ullmark
Forsberg

They're not going to move Norris to wing, so why even consider it?

I agree with your initial assessment though; our current first line needs some oomph combined with some finishing touch, which hopefully Perron can provide IMO.

Giroux - Stutzle - Perron
Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson

Pinto can be part of a 3rd line that can also provide some offense:

Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Gregor - Gaudette - Cousins/McEwen <- need Gregor for his excellent PK ability, need Gaudette for the #2 PP

or

Gregor - Pinto - Gaudette <- sacrifice some defense for some offense
Cousins - Greig - Amadio
McEwen

But honestly I'm super hesitant to remove Ostapchuk from this line up when/IF we get back to full health. He's been the defensive conscience of his line. Will they sit Cousins to play him if such an opportunity occurs?

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

With the trend of pairs sticking together, I like something like this with the guys not bolded being the pawns shuffling around.

Giroux - Stutzle - Batherson
Tkachuk - Norris - Perron
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Gregor - Gaudette - Cousins/MacEwan

It would be nice to have a little more speed on the top line to keep up with Stutzle, but we don't really have that at our disposal and I think you're better off with slower, much more offensively talented players up there than more singular dimension speed guys getting miscast.

I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Pinto on RW with one of the top 2 lines and Greig sliding over to 3C just to try it out.

Giroux - Stutzle - Pinto
Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Perron - Greig - Amadio
Gregor - Gaudette - Cousins/MacEwan

 

[Cosmix]

Perron is a pest and wants to play RW. He fits very well with Greig in that role. The teams going to have an identity. That's the point of Staios's moves. As I pointed out in the post you didn't respond to. Amadio plays all 3 forward positions.

Tkachuk Pinto Batherson was amazing last year. A huge line that matches up amazing against other teams top lines.

None of my arguments make sense... My arguments come from the idea this team is being built with purpose. Not an accumulation of talent that doesn't fit. The GM is going it for a reason. It makes sense why you don't like it. You're not seeing what they are doing.

What is your opinion of the "identity" that Staios is trying to establish for this team?

I want to see a team that plays tough and physical and fast in every game, where all players cover their assigned position and man, where there is no "puck-watching" while letting their man get away from them. I want a team that forechecks well and physical. I want a team that back-checks with speed hounding the puck carrier and covering a man.

 

[Cosmix]

With the trend of pairs sticking together, I like something like this with the guys not bolded being the pawns shuffling around.

Giroux - Stutzle - Batherson
Tkachuk - Norris - Perron
Greig - Pinto - Amadio
Gregor - Gaudette - Cousins/MacEwan

It would be nice to have a little more speed on the top line to keep up with Stutzle, but we don't really have that at our disposal and I think you're better off with slower, much more offensively talented players up there than more singular dimension speed guys getting miscast.

I wouldn't be opposed to seeing Pinto on RW with one of the top 2 lines and Greig sliding over to 3C just to try it out.

Giroux - Stutzle - Pinto
Tkachuk - Norris - Batherson
Perron - Greig - Amadio
Gregor - Gaudette - Cousins/MacEwan

Is Pinto a shooter?

Gaudette is a shooter and I think he needs to play with more offensive players in order to get the best value out of him. I would like to see Gaudette get more time on a top 1 or 2 line to see if some chemistry might develop. Would need 10 games or so to try it out.

Pinto seems to be a solid 2-way player but not that offensively gifted; 3C seems to be his best placement.

Perron has been playing like a third liner, as does Amadio. Pinto might work out for the best with those 2.

I miss Joseph's speed and feistiness.

 

[DrEasy]

Is Pinto a shooter?

Gaudette is a shooter and I think he needs to play with more offensive players in order to get the best value out of him. I would like to see Gaudette get more time on a top 1 or 2 line to see if some chemistry might develop. Would need 10 games or so to try it out.

Pinto seems to be a solid 2-way player but not that offensively gifted; 3C seems to be his best placement.

Perron has been playing like a third liner, as does Amadio. Pinto might work out for the best with those 2.

I miss Joseph's speed and feistiness.

Pinto has a good shot. And he's a centre.

 

[Carl Karlsson]

I always liked the chemistry of the Chuck-Norris-Bath line and Greig was great with Giroux in his rookie year and seem to click when they play together. With Perron & Pints out this is the forward lineup I would like to see :

Greig-Stu-G
Chuck-Norris-Bath
Gregor- Ostapchuk- Amadio
Cousins - Gaudette - McEwen

Re-evaluate who comes out when Pinto and Perron are back as there are always injuries.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

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[Alex1234]

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Agree