Current Point Projections for 84 games

[Mrb1p]

just seems we can't get players over that 65 point hump and everyone is mostly ok with it. Frustrating.

While literally everyone else, including a team that has existed for 3 years can, lmao.

But we need 10 years to rebuild bro, chill!

 

[Miller Time]

just seems we can't get players over that 65 point hump and everyone is mostly ok with it. Frustrating.

I hate it.

But I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, in particular because of how the team is building both their roster & play style.

Unburdening the Bargainbin era mess was always going to be a long haul. They've made good progress all things considered imo

While literally everyone else, including a team that has existed for 3 years can, lmao.

But we need 10 years to rebuild bro, chill!

No, that's the Sabres.

This rebuild will be icing a contender in 5 or less, book it

 

[Habs]

I hate it.

But I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, in particular because of how the team is building both their roster & play style.

Unburdening the Bargainbin era mess was always going to be a long haul. They've made good progress all things considered imo


No, that's the Sabres.

This rebuild will be icing a contender in 5 or less, book it

I think our core is still going to be soft though, especially if Hutson becomes a player. Cole, Nick, Lane, MIchkov.. small

 

[Miller Time]

I think our core is still going to be soft though, especially if Hutson becomes a player. Cole, Nick, Lane, MIchkov.. small

Cole, Lane, Mesar, Farrell, Rohrer... Small

Nick, Newhook, Roy, Beck, Engstrom, Konyushkov... Avg & play sturdy game

Slaf, Dach, Guhle, Barron, Mailloux, Reinbacher... Big & skilled

I think we're shaping up to be just fine.

 

[Habs]

Cole, Lane, Mesar, Farrell, Rohrer... Small

Nick, Newhook, Roy, Beck, Engstrom, Konyushkov... Avg & play sturdy game

Slaf, Dach, Guhle, Barron, Mailloux, Reinbacher... Big & skilled

I think we're shaping up to be just fine.

Banking a lot of hope on some pretty average prospects though.
Beck, Engstrom, Mailloux.. Reinbacher.. nothing screams franchise player for me. Could be decent players to build around, but we've just seen this type of prospect pool so many times. Oh and hey, you left off Roy!

We NEED that one franchise star player to build around, somehow.. besides a goalie lol, we have had 2 of those , traded one away in his prime

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

You guys are frustrated now , lol thats cute, i was frustrated when we made the playoffs consistently during the 2010's with a bottom 5 roster every year. Absolutely zero reason to make the post season any of those years. Piss poor roster for almost 20 years

Talking about patience and the rebuild , bro the team has been garbage for 20 years where is this entitlement for the playoffs right now that some posters have , i find it hilarious , like we are some great hockey city with success

I got nothing but time man multiple top 5 picks is all i care about the team has been garbage for 20 years and you guys are talking about how we are embarassing this year bro we have been an embarrassment league wide for years outside of a singular goaltender who carried the team

This is a great time to be a habs fans and most of you dont even realize it , we are actually rebuilding and people are crying its hilarious.

Yall were having fun watching deharnais and paciorrety be our best forwards for a decade???? Cuz that's what you guys are going to get again if we try to compete too soon.

Give it some time , keep the pitchforks in the closet until HuGo actually deserve it one day. ( they probably will if they can't draft a star forward) but not today

 

[Mrb1p]

I think our core is still going to be soft though, especially if Hutson becomes a player. Cole, Nick, Lane, MIchkov.. small

Bros gonna be so sad when he knows...

 

[Miller Time]

Banking a lot of hope on some pretty average prospects though.
Beck, Engstrom, Mailloux.. Reinbacher.. nothing screams franchise player for me. Could be decent players to build around, but we've just seen this type of prospect pool so many times. Oh and hey, you left off Roy!

We NEED that one franchise star player to build around, somehow.. besides a goalie lol, we have had 2 of those , traded one away in his prime

Oh, I thought I was replying to your concern about the size of our core.

Wether or not we have a "franchise" player in house or not is a different question.

I do think that CC, Slaf & perhaps less so Hutson & RB have at least some potential of becoming top 5 players in the league at their positions.

& Nick, Dach, Guhle, Newhook some chance at being top tier.

Do 1 or 2 of them actually prove that out (let alone several)? We'll see.

I don't think we need that "one star" to build around. I think the B's, Blues, Knights model is both more likely & more effective than trying to time a lottery win to coincide with a MacKinnon/Crosby/McDavid type generational talent.

(Roy was listed...

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

They didn't reach in either of the last two drafts.

They took the guy at 1 on McKenzie's board.. and McKenzie's board -never- gets 1st OA wrong.

They also took Reinbacher at 5, and just because your public lists and internet scouts didn't have him there, doesn't mean that NHL teams didn't.

Nashville stopped trying to trade up the second we selected Reinbacher.
Coyotes wanted Reinbacher and settled for Simashev after we took Reinbacher.

Teams who were calling Montreal about 5 were trying to get up with Reinbacher, it was well reported in the lead up to the NHL draft by people who ended up accurately predicting the top 10.

Just because you call it a reach doesn't make it a reach.

So was Simashev not a reach because an NHL team took him at 6? Can we even define a reach if it's disproven by "an NHL team took him there"? Was Hayton a reach at 5 in 2018 or no, since Arizona took him? Is it a minimum of 2 teams would have had to be willing to take him there?

 

[Naslundforever]

Looks about right in line with what we've had for 15 years. Bottom 5 offensive product league wide consecutively for nearly 2 decades is pretty dam impressive (bottom 5 is being generous I'm putting us bottom 2 with Arizona ) Even Nashville Minnesota Buffalo have seen better forwards than us since we lost kovalev . Tickets are still at ridiculous prices and all is well in Montreal.


Can anybody correct me? Outside of us and Arizona who has been a worst offensive product since 2007? I wanted to say Buffalo but they saw Eichel , I wanted to say Minnesota but they now have Kaprisov , I wanted to say Nashville but Duchene scored 86 a few years ago not to mention Forsberg would be our best forward. No but seriously we are the lowly of low league wide does it not drive you guys crazy?

Typical pre-Heinemann call-up post.

 

[vokiel]

I hate it.

But I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, in particular because of how the team is building both their roster & play style.

Unburdening the Bargainbin era mess was always going to be a long haul. They've made good progress all things considered imo


No, that's the Sabres.

This rebuild will be icing a contender in 5 or less, book it

A 5 year plan? oohhh I like those

I never can understand though... why 5!?!?

 

[Miller Time]

A 5 year plan? oohhh I like those

I never can understand though... why 5!?!?

I thinks a mix of a few things...

arbitrary rounding to 5

the reality that it takes 2-4 years from a draft class to see top prospects establish themselves

reality that a rebuild usually means working through some bad existing contracts

Reality that culture shifts take a few years to really take hold

Et.

Imo 5 yrs is the "most" amount of time it "should" take for a very competent management group to build a roster into a contending group (or at least a playoff lock).... And that's coming from a total wreck of a roster/org depth/cap situation like the mess MB left in his wake

Looking at the current bottom 5 teams, I'd say only Chicago, and maybe SJ might warrant a 5 year grace... Columbus, Ottawa & Anaheim all have situations that a good GM could turn around in 3 seasons or less imo

 

[Habs]

Oh, I thought I was replying to your concern about the size of our core.

Wether or not we have a "franchise" player in house or not is a different question.

I do think that CC, Slaf & perhaps less so Hutson & RB have at least some potential of becoming top 5 players in the league at their positions.

& Nick, Dach, Guhle, Newhook some chance at being top tier.

Do 1 or 2 of them actually prove that out (let alone several)? We'll see.

I don't think we need that "one star" to build around. I think the B's, Blues, Knights model is both more likely & more effective than trying to time a lottery win to coincide with a MacKinnon/Crosby/McDavid type generational talent.

(Roy was listed...

I agree you don't need some enormous team but you do in key positions for sure, especially down the middle. I think we are on the same page though

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You guys are frustrated now , lol thats cute, i was frustrated when we made the playoffs consistently during the 2010's with a bottom 5 roster every year. Absolutely zero reason to make the post season any of those years. Piss poor roster for almost 20 years

Talking about patience and the rebuild , bro the team has been garbage for 20 years where is this entitlement for the playoffs right now that some posters have , i find it hilarious , like we are some great hockey city with success

I got nothing but time man multiple top 5 picks is all i care about the team has been garbage for 20 years and you guys are talking about how we are embarassing this year bro we have been an embarrassment league wide for years outside of a singular goaltender who carried the team

This is a great time to be a habs fans and most of you dont even realize it , we are actually rebuilding and people are crying its hilarious.

Yall were having fun watching deharnais and paciorrety be our best forwards for a decade???? Cuz that's what you guys are going to get again if we try to compete too soon.

Give it some time , keep the pitchforks in the closet until HuGo actually deserve it one day. ( they probably will if they can't draft a star forward) but not today

Well said. There’s zero problem with low finishes right now. We have a whack of prospects coming up who aren’t even in the league yet. The rebuild has just begun.

 

[V13]

Over the last decade we've had 7 different players hit 55 or more points in a season. Tampa had 6 last year

edit - list:

Pacioretty
Subban
Galchenyuk
Plekanec
Domi
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Suzuki

I don't have any stats to back this up as i did not research it (but would certainly be interested to see some) but the Habs have to be one of the if not the worst team at developing and or acquiring offensive talent since...the mid 1990s ? Only Kovalev scored a PPG since the days of Turgeon , Damphousse and Recchi. This is an abysmal track record. In that 30 years period most if not all teams in the league had an offensive PPG guy had some point in time.

Sure we got lucky with goalies and more or less always had one that was hot at the right time but in a weird way that was also part of the problem. And no having one or more offensive superstar is not a guarantee of success but it's part of the equation and most teams who won the cup since 2000 had one or more of these guys. Not being able to produce one has been a major problem for this organization for a loooooog time.

 

[NORiculous]

Since Kovalev run. Here's the PPG/near PPG imact forwards for each team :

Anaheim Ducks	Selanne, Getzlaf, Perry
Arizona Coyotes	Keller
Boston Bruins	Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, Krejci
Buffalo Sabres	Vanek, Thompson, Skinner, Eichel
Calgary Flames	Iginla, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk
Carolina Hurricanes	Staal, Aho, Teravainen
Chicago Blackhawks	Kane, Toews, Bedard, Debrincat
Colorado Avalanche	Sakic, Hejduk, Stasnty, Rantanen, Mackinnon, Landeskog
Columbus Blue Jackets	Nash, Laine, Gaudreau
Dallas Stars	Seguin, Benn, Richards, Ribeiro, Robertson, Pavelski, Hintz
Edmonton Oilers	McDavid, Draisaitl, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins
Florida Panthers	Reinhart, Barkov, Tkachuk, Huberdeau
Los Angeles Kings	Kopitar
Minnesota Wild	Gaborik, Kaprizov
Montréal Canadiens
Nashville Predators	Forsberg, Duchene
New Jersey Devils	Elias, Hischier, Hughes, Parise
New York Islanders	Tavares, Barzal
New York Rangers	Panarin, Zibanejad, Gaborik
Ottawa Senators	Alfredsson, Spezza, Heatley, Stone, Stutzle, Tkachuk
Philadelphia Flyers	Giroux, Voracek, Carter, Richards
Pittsburgh Penguins	Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel
San Jose Sharks	Marleau, Thornton, Pavelski, Couture, Hertl
Seattle Kraken
St. Louis Blues	Kyrou, Tarasenko, Buchnevich, Thomas,
Tampa Bay Lightning	Lecavalier, St-Louis, Stamkos, Point, Kucherov
Toronto Maple Leafs	Sundin, Kessel, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Tavares
Vancouver Canucks	Sedin, Sedin, Kesler, Miller, Pettersson
Vegas Golden Knights	Stone, Eichel
Washington Capitals	Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Kuznetsov
Winnipeg Jets	Wheeler, Laine, Scheifele, Connor

Pathetic for the Habs.

This made me laugh because it is so sad.

And then they wonder why the fan base went nuts for Michlov…

 

[BehindTheTimes]

We lost Dach, Slaf, Caufield and Monahan last year, Id say thats not an argument you can make.

Caufield isn't looking like Caufield. No matter how you twist it, we all see the game, he's not the electric and dynamic player he was last year.

2028 is way too far out. We need to start competing this year, I said this year but Ill allow it for injuries.

The goal is to compete for 5-10 years with a core, if we wait until 2028, Suzukis gonna be 28 by then and pretty much on the down swing of his career. That is way too long. And fan-wise too, it's quite a ridiculous time to wait. The fact is the Habs have been accumulating since 2018 now, we don't need a whole ten years of adding prospects, thats Buffalo, Edmonton, Avalanche, Toronto, Arizona bad.

2028 lmao, if it takes that long hopefully they are fired long before then. The deferred winning that this fanbase is so caught up in is f***ing ridiculous.

 

[WeThreeKings]

So was Simashev not a reach because an NHL team took him at 6? Can we even define a reach if it's disproven by "an NHL team took him there"? Was Hayton a reach at 5 in 2018 or no, since Arizona took him? Is it a minimum of 2 teams would have had to be willing to take him there?

Simashev was a reach because no other NHL teams were trying to get up to pick him in that spot.

Reinbacher was going at 5, regardless if Montreal was picking in that spot or not. If Montreal traded out, Reinbacher was going 5.

It's not a reach if that player was going in that spot.

 

[Frenchy]

Maybe people will be upset at my comment , but is it the normality to pay a player like Suzuki 7M ( close to 8 ) and have his points projection under 70pts ? even more so when he's not the best player on the ice every night ?

Caufield , i have no problem with the points projection as he is there to score goals ( key ones more often than none ) and i will never criticize him.

 

[V13]

This made me laugh because it is so sad.

And then they wonder why the fan base went nuts for Michlov…

Thanks for that that's exactly what i wanted to see....and it confirms what i was saying. We are f***ing brutal at getting offensive talent...like the worst of the worst

Man.....

 

[WeThreeKings]

Maybe people will be upset at my comment , but is it the normality to pay a player like Suzuki 7M ( close to 8 ) and have his points projection under 70pts ? even more so when he's not the best player on the ice every night ?

Caufield , i have no problem with the points projection as he is there to score goals ( key ones more often than none ) and i will never criticize him.

Bergevin paid him thinking that he would continue to develop and he did just center a team to the finals.

I don't have an issue with that contract.. it didn't age as well as we hoped but I think a lot of things change when the rebuild is further matured.

 

[OldCraig71]

League scoring is going up
Habs scoring is staying flat or worst than the last 15 years

Im sad

Don't be sad, only one team wins the cup no matter the talent on the ice.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

Simashev was a reach because no other NHL teams were trying to get up to pick him in that spot.

Reinbacher was going at 5, regardless if Montreal was picking in that spot or not. If Montreal traded out, Reinbacher was going 5.

It's not a reach if that player was going in that spot.

How do you know no other teams were trying to pick Simashev there? This seems like it's entirely built on speculation.

 

[WeThreeKings]

How do you know no other teams were trying to pick Simashev there? This seems like it's entirely built on speculation.

Find one piece of speculation anywhere around the draft that teams were trying to move up to get Simashev.

It's the draft, everything has a veil of secrecy around it.. fortunately, we have a lot of anecdotal evidence and speculation that confirms that Reinbacher was going 5.

So we can debate whether or not Simashev was actually a reach, that's fine. But we can say quite clearly that Reinbacher was not a reach in NHL circles given the interest around the player and how everything went cold on teams aggressively pursuing that pick as soon as we selected Reinbacher.

 

[ReHabs]

Give it some time , keep the pitchforks in the closet until HuGo actually deserve it one day. ( they probably will if they can't draft a star forward) but not today

What if you feel like they've already made a catastrophic mistake with at least one draft and you don't want them to mess up a third straight draft?

Maybe people will be upset at my comment , but is it the normality to pay a player like Suzuki 7M ( close to 8 ) and have his points projection under 70pts ? even more so when he's not the best player on the ice every night ?

Caufield , i have no problem with the points projection as he is there to score goals ( key ones more often than none ) and i will never criticize him.

Suzuki can still show more. He's a smart player, sometimes they seem to hit a first plateau before they hit another one. We do have a very bad roster... He's not a Mats Sundin type to be a singular force but there is no reason to think he can't produce more.