Current Point Projections for 84 games

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First of all, yes I know 82 games.

Here are the projections for players that have played 28 games.

Nick Suzuki 22pts x 3 = 66​

Cole Caufield 20pts x 3 = 60​

Michael Matheson 19pts x3 = 57​

Sean Monahan 16pts x 3 = 48​

Brendan Gallagher 10pts x 3 =30​

Jake Evans 9pts x 3 = 27​

Juraj Slafkovsky 7pts x 3 = 21​

Johnathan Kovacevic 5pts x 3 = 15​

Josh Anderson 5pts x 3 = 15​


Enough Said.

 

The Gr8 Dane

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Looks about right in line with what we've had for 15 years. Bottom 5 offensive product league wide consecutively for nearly 2 decades is pretty dam impressive (bottom 5 is being generous I'm putting us bottom 2 with Arizona ) Even Nashville Minnesota Buffalo have seen better forwards than us since we lost kovalev :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:. Tickets are still at ridiculous prices and all is well in Montreal.


Can anybody correct me? Outside of us and Arizona who has been a worst offensive product since 2007? I wanted to say Buffalo but they saw Eichel , I wanted to say Minnesota but they now have Kaprisov , I wanted to say Nashville but Duchene scored 86 a few years ago not to mention Forsberg would be our best forward. No but seriously we are the lowly of low league wide does it not drive you guys crazy?
 
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Looks about right in line with what we've had for 20 years. Bottom 5 offensive product league wide consecutively for 2 decades is pretty dam impressive. Tickets are still at ridiculous prices and all is well in Montreal
We're in a rebuild, and I like the direction of the rebuild. I'm not comparing the rebuild with the past because in the past we were trying to make the playoffs and win from there, whereas now we've been selling vets to get the best possible team in the future.

Having said that, I like the dcore more than the forward corps going forward. we may still be lacking a top end offensive player. But if we are, unlike MB, I expect HuGo to go out and get one when the time is right. Whether through the UFA market, a trade, or at the draft.
 

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We're in a rebuild, and I like the direction of the rebuild. I'm not comparing the rebuild with the past because in the past we were trying to make the playoffs and win from there, whereas now we've been selling vets to get the best possible team in the future.

Having said that, I like the dcore more than the forward corps going forward. we may still be lacking a top end offensive player. But if we are, unlike MB, I expect HuGo to go out and get one when the time is right. Whether through the UFA market, a trade, or at the draft.
Yeah I am happy about the rebuild its been long due. Its not even close to over like some here wish it would be
 

angusyoung

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First of all, yes I know 82 games.

Here are the projections for players that have played 28 games.

Nick Suzuki 22pts x 3 = 66​

Cole Caufield 20pts x 3 = 60​

Michael Matheson 19pts x3 = 57​

Sean Monahan 16pts x 3 = 48​

Brendan Gallagher 10pts x 3 =30​

Jake Evans 9pts x 3 = 27​

Juraj Slafkovsky 7pts x 3 = 21​

Johnathan Kovacevic 5pts x 3 = 15​

Josh Anderson 5pts x 3 = 15​


Enough Said.

The most famous Montrealer of all time chiming in.

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Miller Time

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Looks pretty much as expected.. other than I think Slaf will improve his pace and get in that 30-35 pt range.. and obviously Caufield's goal totals will go up when he breaks his slump.

I thought Monahan would pace better, but then again, he's had very little linemate support.

Anderson I expected to have a career year, just not career worst lol

Those two things are a bit linked, and even with Dach/Newhook going down, were they both on track for 55-65pt seasons, we'd likely see the positive ripple boosting Suzuki/CC, as opposed to pulling them down.

I think it's a good bet that Hughes will be aggressive this summer in boosting that secondary scoring (or , if it's possible, adding an elite talent up front)...
 
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I thought Monahan would pace better, but then again, he's had very little linemate support.

Anderson I expected to have a career year, just not career worst lol

Those two things are a bit linked, and even with Dach/Newhook going down, were they both on track for 55-65pt seasons, we'd likely see the positive ripple boosting Suzuki/CC, as opposed to pulling them down.

I think it's a good bet that Hughes will be aggressive this summer in boosting that secondary scoring (or , if it's possible, adding an elite talent up front)...
While I'm sure you're right that Hughes will look for any opportunity to improve the scoring, I doubt that anything significant happens in the 2024 offseason, unless a surprise opportunity arises.

The stars, given the stockpiling of draft assets, expiring veteran contracts, Cap space getting freed up and the further development (by then) of prospects for a clearer picture of what's on the table to be dealt, look more aligned for the 2025 offseason.

Think that's when Hughes will likely be the most aggressive on the trade front.

2027, with 12M off the books for Gallagher and Anderson, plus, potentially, another 3.15M for Montembeault, and a rise in the cap ceiling until then, that's when Hughes might be more aggressive on theUFA front to complete amore mature lineup, with Suzuki likely the oldest core player at 28.
 

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Over the last decade we've had 7 different players hit 55 or more points in a season. Tampa had 6 last year

Having amazing goalies for 2 decades bailing the team out and seeing some successes along the road has been a poisoned gift imo.

It really lowered the bar for skaters on this team, and lowered expectations for offensive output. And a lot of fellow habs fans compare offensive outputs with previous iterations of the Montreal Canadiens... while we really need to look around the league.

There was a change of philosophy in 2018 (the KK draft) where we started accumulating picks and prospects... and I was giving the team the benefit of the doubt regarding drafting and development. But after 5 years, its becoming apparent that nothing changed on those 2 fronts, and that we're still unable to "grow" serious talents.

Idk what it is, idk what the answer is, but management needs to take a serious look at the pipeline leading to the NHL. Idc about the NHL roater, its everything around it that needs a serious overhaul.

While I'm sure you're right that Hughes will look for any opportunity to improve the scoring, I doubt that anything significant happens in the 2024 offseason, unless a surprise opportunity arises.

The stars, given the stockpiling of draft assets, expiring veteran contracts, Cap space getting freed up and the further development (by then) of prospects for a clearer picture of what's on the table to be dealt, look more aligned for the 2025 offseason.

Think that's when Hughes will likely be the most aggressive on the trade front.

2027, with 12M off the books for Gallagher and Anderson, plus, potentially, another 3.15M for Montembeault, and a rise in the cap ceiling until then, that's when Hughes might be more aggressive on theUFA front to complete amore mature lineup, with Suzuki likely the oldest core player at 28.

I seriously doubt that Hughes will be there in 2027 if nothing changes.

If anything, he'll feel the fire around 2025 and start making rash decisions then.
 

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Literally every single player regressed from last year.

Suzuki .8 to .79
Caufield .78 to .71
Matheson .71 to .68
Monahan .68 to .57
Gallagher .38 to .36
Guhle .41 to .33
Jake Evans .35 to .32
Barron .38 to .32
RHP .59 to .32
Dvorak .44 to .28
Slaf .26 to .25
Armia .33 to .25
Ylonen .44 to .19
Harris .26 to .16
Anderson .46 to .16
Pezz .24 to .16


I'm not telling you Martys concept don't work but that's what Im heavily implying.

I lied though, Dach and Savard have upgraded their PPG (LMAO).
 
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While I'm sure you're right that Hughes will look for any opportunity to improve the scoring, I doubt that anything significant happens in the 2024 offseason, unless a surprise opportunity arises.

The stars, given the stockpiling of draft assets, expiring veteran contracts, Cap space getting freed up and the further development (by then) of prospects for a clearer picture of what's on the table to be dealt, look more aligned for the 2025 offseason.

Think that's when Hughes will likely be the most aggressive on the trade front.

2027, with 12M off the books for Gallagher and Anderson, plus, potentially, another 3.15M for Montembeault, and a rise in the cap ceiling until then, that's when Hughes might be more aggressive on theUFA front to complete amore mature lineup, with Suzuki likely the oldest core player at 28.

Agreed. But moreso BC with the cap going up, there will be both more teams able to target an expensive/established talent upgrade & likely fewer available (as teams have more flexibility to keep their talent).

Don't see Hughes "overpaying" for someone just for the sake of that elite talent addition... But I do think we will see some influx of top 9 forward brought in to boost secondary scoring at the minimum. I don't think he'll just ride on the improvement coming from within , though that could be the path they choose if they can't find a suitable target.

CC - Suzuki - Slaf
? - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Dvorak - Gally

Will they bank on one of Ylonen/RHP/Roy/Farrell/Heineman filling that ? spot... or re-sign Monahan to place hold it...

Will they find a taker for 1 or more of those pricey/washed vets on the 3rd line & improve secondary scoring by adding an upgrade or UFA acquisition emerge that improves...

we'll see. I'm confident they are both patient enough not to make a panic move & aggressive enough to pull trigger if the right fit comes available at the right price

Literally every single player regressed from last year.

Suzuki .8 to .79
Caufield .78 to .71
Matheson .71 to .68
Monahan .68 to .57
Gallagher .38 to .36
Guhle .41 to .33
Jake Evans .35 to .32
Barron .38 to .32
RHP .59 to .32
Dvorak .44 to .28
Slaf .26 to .25
Armia .33 to .25
Ylonen .44 to .19
Harris .26 to .16
Anderson .46 to .16
Pezz .24 to .16


I'm not telling you Martys concept don't work but that's what Im heavily implying.

I lied though, Dach and Savard have upgraded their PPG (LMAO).

Fortunately, the coach isn't coaching to make stat-line watching fans happy.

Coaching to get the best team results possible from the group you're working with is different than coaching to stat pad.
 

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Only thing unexpected is the low totals of CC and Slaf. Both have deserved more good fortune. Anderson as well.

Other than that, it’s as expected with one caveat. Our offense would be a fair bit better with Dach and Newhook in the lineup.
 

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While I'm sure you're right that Hughes will look for any opportunity to improve the scoring, I doubt that anything significant happens in the 2024 offseason, unless a surprise opportunity arises.

The stars, given the stockpiling of draft assets, expiring veteran contracts, Cap space getting freed up and the further development (by then) of prospects for a clearer picture of what's on the table to be dealt, look more aligned for the 2025 offseason.

Think that's when Hughes will likely be the most aggressive on the trade front.

2027, with 12M off the books for Gallagher and Anderson, plus, potentially, another 3.15M for Montembeault, and a rise in the cap ceiling until then, that's when Hughes might be more aggressive on theUFA front to complete amore mature lineup, with Suzuki likely the oldest core player at 28.
IN 4 YEARS ? BUDDY ? FOUR YEARS ? THE PLAN IS TO BE THE f***ING BUFFALO SABRES ?

I can't with this fan base. I cannot. The lowering of standards is excessive. The team hasn't competed since 2017. The team has had a losing record every single year since 2016-2017 except for one year.

The climate crisis might be resolved before the Habs make the playoffs again.
 
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My expectation is that they would get into any conversations on an EP40 or a Draisatl, for example. They may even be aggressive in pursuing Nylander as a UFA.

But I also think this group is more interested in building a deep team over being a star buoyed franchise. So when we talk about the future top 6, I think they are looking at a future top 9.

It's why I'm not panicking despite obviously wishing we could get that dynamic 100 pt talent.

We are always wrong in future prognostication but based on what we've seen so far, I think a top 10 forward picked in this draft will slant things positively.

A future top 9 of let's say Catton, Slafkovsky, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Newhook, Beck only requires 2 of Heineman, Roy, Farrell, Mesar, etc. to hit.
 

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Since 94, pathetic offense, can't draft , rebuild no FA's just excuses for 65pt players
Since Kovalev run. Here's the PPG/near PPG imact forwards for each team :

Anaheim DucksSelanne, Getzlaf, Perry
Arizona CoyotesKeller
Boston BruinsBergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, Krejci
Buffalo SabresVanek, Thompson, Skinner, Eichel
Calgary FlamesIginla, Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk
Carolina HurricanesStaal, Aho, Teravainen
Chicago BlackhawksKane, Toews, Bedard, Debrincat
Colorado AvalancheSakic, Hejduk, Stasnty, Rantanen, Mackinnon, Landeskog
Columbus Blue JacketsNash, Laine, Gaudreau
Dallas StarsSeguin, Benn, Richards, Ribeiro, Robertson, Pavelski, Hintz
Edmonton OilersMcDavid, Draisaitl, Hall, Nugent-Hopkins
Florida PanthersReinhart, Barkov, Tkachuk, Huberdeau
Los Angeles KingsKopitar
Minnesota WildGaborik, Kaprizov
Montréal Canadiens
Nashville PredatorsForsberg, Duchene
New Jersey DevilsElias, Hischier, Hughes, Parise
New York IslandersTavares, Barzal
New York RangersPanarin, Zibanejad, Gaborik
Ottawa SenatorsAlfredsson, Spezza, Heatley, Stone, Stutzle, Tkachuk
Philadelphia FlyersGiroux, Voracek, Carter, Richards
Pittsburgh PenguinsCrosby, Malkin, Guentzel
San Jose SharksMarleau, Thornton, Pavelski, Couture, Hertl
Seattle Kraken
St. Louis BluesKyrou, Tarasenko, Buchnevich, Thomas,
Tampa Bay LightningLecavalier, St-Louis, Stamkos, Point, Kucherov
Toronto Maple LeafsSundin, Kessel, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Tavares
Vancouver CanucksSedin, Sedin, Kesler, Miller, Pettersson
Vegas Golden KnightsStone, Eichel
Washington CapitalsOvechkin, Backstrom, Semin, Kuznetsov
Winnipeg JetsWheeler, Laine, Scheifele, Connor


Pathetic for the Habs.
 

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Agreed. But moreso BC with the cap going up, there will be both more teams able to target an expensive/established talent upgrade & likely fewer available (as teams have more flexibility to keep their talent).

Don't see Hughes "overpaying" for someone just for the sake of that elite talent addition... But I do think we will see some influx of top 9 forward brought in to boost secondary scoring at the minimum. I don't think he'll just ride on the improvement coming from within , though that could be the path they choose if they can't find a suitable target.

CC - Suzuki - Slaf
? - Dach - Newhook
Anderson - Dvorak - Gally

Will they bank on one of Ylonen/RHP/Roy/Farrell/Heineman filling that ? spot... or re-sign Monahan to place hold it...

Will they find a taker for 1 or more of those pricey/washed vets on the 3rd line & improve secondary scoring by adding an upgrade or UFA acquisition emerge that improves...

we'll see. I'm confident they are both patient enough not to make a panic move & aggressive enough to pull trigger if the right fit comes available at the right price



Fortunately, the coach isn't coaching to make stat-line watching fans happy.

Coaching to get the best team results possible from the group you're working with is different than coaching to stat pad.
Do you actually believe this team is better than it was last year ? You know we've had the 5th easiest strength of schedule so far, right ? The Habs are going to finish exactly at the same spot they were last year.

Caufield has never looked worse.
Anderson has never looked worse.
Guhle is seeing absolutely no growth in his offensive game, because somehow he's seen as Hal Gill.
Barron is struggling to even look somewhat decent.
Suzuki looks exactly the same.
RHP saw massive regression.
Monahan looks a lot worse.
Matheson loses braincell every time he takes a stride.
Xhekaj is in the AHL.
Gallagher is his same stupid self.
Ylonen is stuck on the fourth line.
Dvorak... im not even gonna talk about Dvorak.

I guess Slaf looks better! Even though he cannot beat his pathetic-ass PPG from last season, lol.

At one point we need to see results, and not just "MuuH stAT pADdInG wAtCheRs dOnT kNoW!1!"
 
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Lafleurs Guy

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My expectation is that they would get into any conversations on an EP40 or a Draisatl, for example. They may even be aggressive in pursuing Nylander as a UFA.

But I also think this group is more interested in building a deep team over being a star buoyed franchise. So when we talk about the future top 6, I think they are looking at a future top 9.

It's why I'm not panicking despite obviously wishing we could get that dynamic 100 pt talent.

We are always wrong in future prognostication but based on what we've seen so far, I think a top 10 forward picked in this draft will slant things positively.

A future top 9 of let's say Catton, Slafkovsky, Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Newhook, Beck only requires 2 of Heineman, Roy, Farrell, Mesar, etc. to hit.
I think we’d love a star. We’ve just had high picks in the wrong drafts. Although Michkov might disprove that one.
 
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