Prospect Info: Current #2 overall poll and discussion

[Guadana]

That's a good track record in general, a little braggy post, but good work nevertheless. Anyway just wanted to say the story is far from over for Rossi and Perfetti. They both have looked great in the AHL and I think will eventually be impact top6 players in the NHL.

I think it's still very early to make any major conclusions about any draft after 2018 or so. Some of these hyped players like Sanderson haven't even played a single NHL game yet and the rest are just getting adjusted.

I understand, but in general I stated my main takes, that's why I wrote about the fact that I rated Greig above Perfetti, which in general, especially out of context, sounds like idiocy. Do not forget that for more accurate formulations I do not have enough knowledge of the language (how embarrassingly justified myself).

I do believe Rossi and Perfetti have great nhl potential. But when I did talk about them, I did it in perspective to draft them for nj. For me team context is a big part of player development. And yes, it is too early to make long conclusions. Even Nico was lookin like a best version of himself in the second part of his last season. It was his 5th season. McKinnon change his game drammatically after five years, especially when Colorado put Rantanen on his wing. One of the reasons why I want Slafkovsky more, because I think Slaf and Nico\Jack could be great complimentary pieces for each other.

 

[Unknown Caller]

2nd time I’ve seen it and it’s pretty vague and meaningless. There are teams that suspect the devils like and might consider doesn’t say a whole lot to me.

All that means is that there are some people from other teams that think the devils could be but they don’t actually have any real clue if they do.
Pure speculation.

It’s never vague and meaningless coming from Friedman. He doesn’t provide information that’s pure speculation, there’s always pretty strong veracity behind it whether it ultimately comes to fruition or not.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

2. New Jersey:

If trading for an active player is not the outcome, there are teams that suspect the Devils like the defensive options at the top of the draft, and might actually consider moving back.

It's interesting that the defensive thing has been coming up a bit lately. I feel like this is the third time recently that someone commented on defensemen with us

To me that is kind of a "common sense" thing. Fitz is constantly stating the RD do not grow on trees and it is a big organizational need.

 

[markog]

To me that is kind of a "common sense" thing. Fitz is constantly stating the RD do not grow on trees and it is a big organizational need.

Then they should take a goalie with 2OA, thats a bigger need. They failed with Zacha when they drafted for need and obviously don't learn from mistake.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

Then they should take a goalie with 2OA, thats a bigger need. They failed with Zacha when they drafted for need and obviously don't learn from mistake.

There is no goalie worth 2OA. There are RD that would be best player on the board if they trade down.. Poor analagy

 

[markog]

Then they should trade 2OA for a top RD, would get better value than trade down and draft one. And why is that such a big need? They have Hamilton locked for 6 more years and they can extend Severson, no team has 3 great RD and they need a cheap option on third RD.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

Then they should trade 2OA for a top RD, would get better value than trade down and draft one. And why is that such a big need? They have Hamilton locked for 6 more years and they can extend Severson, no team has 3 great RD and they need a cheap option on third RD.

No top RD is available for trade. If you do not understand the value of an RD playing on an ELC as compared to someone on a UFA contract you do not understand basics of the NHL in the cap era.

 

[markog]

No top RD is available for trade. If you do not understand the value of an RD playing on an ELC as compared to someone on a UFA contract you do not understand basics of the NHL in the cap era.

They can get a servicable RD in free agency and if they draft one next week, he won't be playing for 2-3 years. And they don't need top RD, they already have one.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

, he won't be playing for 2-3 years.

Fine by me. You draft for 2-3 years down the road, not to win this year. That is basic stuff

 

[markog]

Fine by me. You draft for 2-3 years down the road, not to win this year. That is basic stuff

No, basic stuff is take the best player avalaible.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

No, basic stuff is take the best player avalaible.

We were discussing the possibility of the Devils trading doiwn because the may really like one of the DMen. Just because you view a certain player as BPA does not mean the Devils do.

 

[markog]

We were discussing the possibility of the Devils trading doiwn because the may really like one of the DMen. Just because you view a certain player as BPA does not mean the Devils do.

I'm sure they don't and I'm sure the same goes about any of our views.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

I'm sure they don't and I'm sure the same goes about any of our views.

I think we have bored everyone enough discussing basic things.

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

I'm sure some of you were already aware - I was not.

Montreal has 10 picks in the first 4 rounds

1st - their own plus Calgary's pick at 26
2nd - their own plus Edmonton's
3rd - 3 picks
4th - 3 picks

Heck they even have 2 picks in the 7th

Shame its a low-end draft, but that's still great that they stacked the picks for the draft they host.

 

[StevenToddIves]

It makes a lot of sense in a roundabout way.

They're going to be awful for a long time and their players/prospects all want to leave. Gauthier can be a help off the ice and there is more incentive for him to stick around because of the familiarity.

I expect the player they pick is not going to live up to their expectations just because the situation there is so bad. They can throw him to the wolves and use him to help bring along the franchise defining talent that will arrive over the next several drafts.

Its a rare instance where the best pick for a specific team is not the BPA.

I agree with your theorizing, but I'm not sure Gauthier is not the BPA at #3. I have it extremely close in my rankings between #3-#7, and you could pretty much order the three top US-NTDP forwards (Gauthier, Cooley, Nazar) in any order and have a good argument. I'd say Nazar has the highest ceiling, Cooley has the highest floor, and Gauthier has the rarest and most translatable skill set.

 

[Comparison Ford]

the more i read about Wright, the more im happy with him or Slaf. maybe this is wrong, but seems like Wright could pencil in on the wing as well? kind of like Mercer did at times this year.

i think him taking shifts on Jack or Nico’s wing would be a thing of beauty this year. if IQ and his Shot are really the best in the draft, i think we take him and absolutely run with it.

edit: all being said, i really don’t wanna trade the pick and especially don’t wanna trade down.

 

[severian]

Is there any chance Slaf doesn’t play in the NHL next season?

 

[Mr Bojanglez]

the more i read about Wright, the more im happy with him or Slaf. maybe this is wrong, but seems like Wright could pencil in on the wing as well? kind of like Mercer did at times this year.

i think him taking shifts on Jack or Nico’s wing would be a thing of beauty this year. if IQ and his Shot are really the best in the draft, i think we take him and absolutely run with it.

edit: all being said, i really don’t wanna trade the pick and especially don’t wanna trade down.

Or you slot them 1-2-3 down the middle... and have Hughes play wing on the powerplay. Nico gets his PK time, and wright and huges get PP time. Then you can play those 3 lines more equally with the 4th as a breather.

They'll get their minutes. Forwards can play so many positions these days.

 

[Devils731]

If anyone wants a great, long read on one scouts take on his top 32, you can find it right here:

NHL Draft Ranking 2022, by Simon St-L.

NHL Draft Ranking 2022, by Simon St-L. - TSLH -

www.toutsurlehockey.com

Definitely some bold, ballsy calls, but he articulates well and backs up all of his claims with solid detail.

First time I’ve read Slaf switched to a longer stick mid-season. Would be an interesting compare and contrast for a scouting staff to make.

 

[JimEIV]

Is there any chance Slaf doesn’t play in the NHL next season?

My guess is which ever team drafts him, gives him a full preseason look and the rest is up to him.

A lot of people seem to think he needs to spend time in the AHL like Rantanen did. I don't know if that is true in this case. My feeling is he'll get an opportunity to show whether or not he belongs with either Montreal or New Jersey and if he performs well he'll play.

Just what I think.

 

[StevenToddIves]

Is there any chance Slaf doesn’t play in the NHL next season?

If I were a GM drafting Slafkovsky, I would want him to start the year in the AHL. Let him acclimate to North American rinks and hockey, take a bit of the pressure off. If he tears it up, he can always be recalled, but although he's close to NHL ready, I'd say there's still some elements of Slafkovsky's game which can be improved upon.

 

[RSeen]

To me that is kind of a "common sense" thing. Fitz is constantly stating the RD do not grow on trees and it is a big organizational need.

If our BPA available is one of the Dmen, I could see Fitz trading with SEA if they want to get Wright or Slaf. Most likely I think we take whoever we have as BPA at 2.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

If our BPA available is one of the Dmen, I could see Fitz trading with SEA if they want to get Wright or Slaf. Most likely I think we take whoever we have as BPA at 2.

Totally agree. Just pointing out I do not think it takes "Insider" knowledge to come up with the Devils trading down a few spots to take a D.

 

[devilsblood]

Or you slot them 1-2-3 down the middle... and have Hughes play wing on the powerplay. Nico gets his PK time, and wright and huges get PP time. Then you can play those 3 lines more equally with the 4th as a breather.

They'll get their minutes. Forwards can play so many positions these days.

As per the PP.

Hughes is already on the right side of the umbrella.

So if Wright were to come in you are looking at either moving Bratt off the left side, or Nico in the high slot. See no chance of Wright moving Bratt out. Could Wright move Nico out of the high slot position? Possible, but I think that only happens if Nico is then used as the net front as they likely want Nico on the first unit for the initial faceoff.

Totally agree. Just pointing out I do not think it takes "Insider" knowledge to come up with the Devils trading down a few spots to take a D.

Well if it's actually insider info, then it's noteworthy, if it's merely speculation, then sure we here on the board are as good as anyone.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

Well if it's actually insider info, then it's noteworthy, if it's merely speculation, then sure we here on the board are as good as anyone.

True. I have been pointing out lately how obvious some of the "tweets" from Insiders are.