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James Hagens has a mediocre year...parliment in Ottawa is celebrating how their country will have a great draft! Free Sportsnet+ subscriptions to all canadians to watch this historic moment!
This is what I mean. People in Canada keep repeating this, despite it not being true.

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You don’t care about the truth. It’s a campaign to get the first overall pick. Nothing more than that.
 
Shits been going on at least 6 years at this point. I still remember him losing his mind over Button ranking Turcotte so low cause Pavel thought he should be challenging Hughes for 1st overall. Look how that turned out...
It's just been a downward spiral ever since lol.
If it’s such a conspiracy, explain how it computes that Canada’s hockey prowess continues to decline, yet their share of first round picks and first overalls seems to have turned into a monopoly.

They are now supposedly going to have 20+ first rounders. They took first overalls four out of the last five years, and have now claimed the next three. We will have a system where the first slot will go to Canadians 7 of 8 years.

None of this computes. Canada’s share of NHL’ers keeps going down every year. Virtually every other nation (the ones that are seeing their NHL draft prowess decline at the expense of Canada) is seeing their share rise.

Isn’t it supposed to be that draft slots compute with who is turning into what NHL’er? The system has become a joke and literally every country other than Canada realizes this.

It used to be a system where the Europeans lament that the North Americans are doing this, but now the United States can join the European countries. They’ve stolen the first slot from us that we earned, and have decided that our whole draft class is trash.

So now Canada is on their own island where they will parade around about their NHL Draft success and every other country will suggest it’s not a legitimate process.
This is the most insane thing I've ever read on the prospect forum.
 
Shits been going on at least 6 years at this point. I still remember him losing his mind over Button ranking Turcotte so low cause Pavel thought he should be challenging Hughes for 1st overall. Look how that turned out...
Do you have any proof of this? You have a history of making up claims about me and then running away from the thread when confronted to prove your claims.
 
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I’m sure an inconvenient truth that benefits your hockey nation is something you wouldn’t want exposed.

Your nation has rigged the system in their favor. Of course you don’t want anyone to say it. You want all of us to nod along and act like it’s supposed to be this way, and that it’s normal that every single year Canada has the best player (even though a year or two later we are finding out that a bunch of them they weren’t the best) and that Canada has 2/3 of the best NHL prospects from a draft (even though they actually only have 2/5 of the eventual NHL’ers).

Of course you won’t respond about the actual data and results. It would further reveal the conspiracy theory is true, so you just call people crazy for suggesting it.
This is now probably the craziest draft related post I've read. There is nothing to rig, it is a draft to disperse players into the NHL. There is no prize for the people of a country who happen to have the first overall pick. Scouts, directors of scouting, and general managers are not part of some conspiracy to steer players from one country into certain spots to the detriment of their own careers. Canadian players probably are generally overvalued as the historically dominant country with a very accessible development stream for scouts to pick over. That does not mean there is a crazy conspiracy afoot, or that any given draft year must match the percentages of players in the league from a given area.

As for your previous crazy post, you are not a part of the draft process and gain nothing from where Hagens is drafted, just like 99.99% of people in the United States. A draft spot is not something that is earned in advanced, it's just the starting point for a player's career and amounts to nothing more than trivia for people not very closely connected to the player.

You're only exposing some deeply held issues and a poor sense of reality.
 
Bob McKenzie quoted an NHL Head Scout in January as saying there’s nothing that can be done anymore and Matt Schaefer will be picked first.

Matt Schaefer didn’t come into the year viewed as anywhere near in contention for the top pick. He was viewed as a guy who might be just inside the top 5 or otherwise only a top 10 guy.

Then he played 17 games, and it’s been decided by the powers that be that there’s absolutely nothing that can be done for anyone to overtake him.

It’ll take a brave team (a la Montreal in 2022) to go against the orthodoxy of the player that’s been installed as the preferred candidate by the powers that be.
People were talking about Schaefer as a potential top pick at the end of last season.
 
This is now probably the craziest draft related post I've read. There is nothing to rig, it is a draft to disperse players into the NHL. There is no prize for the people of a country who happen to have the first overall pick. Scouts, directors of scouting, and general managers are not part of some conspiracy to steer players from one country into certain spots to the detriment of their own careers. Canadian players probably are generally overvalued as the historically dominant country with a very accessible development stream for scouts to pick over. That does not mean there is a crazy conspiracy afoot, or that any given draft year must match the percentages of players in the league from a given area.

As for your previous crazy post, you are not a part of the draft process and gain nothing from where Hagens is drafted, just like 99.99% of people in the United States. A draft spot is not something that is earned in advanced, it's just the starting point for a player's career and amounts to nothing more than trivia for people not very closely connected to the player.

You're only exposing some deeply held issues and a poor sense of reality.
Okay so three paragraphs calling me crazy. Didn’t try to rebut a thing I’ve said about the data. Of course discussing the truth you want hidden doesn’t suit you. You want it to seem all organic and innocent. Well guess what? Every country other than Canada now views it as an illegitimate process where their country gets shafted.
 
Mckenzie had him ranked 2nd in preseason...
That’s not “the end of last season.”

That was actually already after this season had started. We already had seen the Hlinka, and leagues had already started or were just about to start up.

Any response to the evidence against your claim that Hagens has had a mediocre year?
 
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I still fail to see why Canada would set up a grand conspiracy to draft 1OA when it literally does not matter in the grand scheme of things lol like logically it makes zero sense if you just dig into the thought past the base layer.
 
I have Hagens 3. To me Schaefer just is one of those Heiskanen types. Someone might end up better from this draft, but his floor is just so high.

Misa does a little of everything. He got exceptional status and has improved every year. It’s not like he came out of nowhere.

Hagens is a good player. But at his size and due to the fact he’s a good but not electric skater there are going to be questions about his ability to translate his game to the NHL. He hasn’t exactly lit up the NCAA when not playing with Leonard and Perrault.. his draft season is comparable production to Matthew Wood or Gavin Brindley at this point, not Fantilli or Celebrini.

Saying this is a conspiracy is January 19th level embarrassing.
 
Do you have any proof of this? You have a history of making up claims about me and then running away from the thread when confronted to prove your claims.
Remember you losing your mind when Hockeyprospect ranked Schaefer 1st overall back in November?

Since then, theyve been right with everyone else following suit and youve been completely wrong with Hagens falling. But I guess they are just all part of the same massive conspiracy.

Its a shame that thread was lost.
 
Any evidence?
I had mentioned that a team like San Jose could take him first after Hlinka last summer, and Cam Robinson mentioned a similar thing in an EP video on YouTube.

I can’t speak for others but I think his u18 as an underage last year put him into contention to be a top 3 player in the class based on how he projected to the NHL, and for me he catapulted to 1 after Hlinka
 
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Pavel claiming that there is an industry/sport wide conspiracy to give the first overall pick to Canadians over Americans, and then asking other people for evidence to refute him, is very funny.
Actually, you are perverting the sequence of events.

I have cited data that backs up the differing trends (Canada’s declining NHL prowess and Canada’s improving NHL draft prowess) and asked for it to be explained.

It’s interesting that some of you aren’t even curious about these very alarming trends. You just nod along and act like it’s normal.

If you dug into it, you would find that it makes no sense.
 
That’s not “the end of last season.”

That was actually already after this season had started. We already had seen the Hlinka, and leagues had already started or were just about to start up.

Any response to the evidence against your claim that Hagens has had a mediocre year?
He hasn't had a year like Fantilli, Celebrini, Eichel etc to cement him as the top pick.

He's played more similar to the Johnson/Beniers level which is still a great prospect, but not a super dominate 1OA.

Either way I made a joke about your "comments"
U-18 wasn’t after June 29.
You're right there I did meant Hlinka
 
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Okay bleacherreport had him ranked 3rd in october.

FloHockey had Schaefer 7 last June 29...although that would've been pre U18.

There is a 10 month difference between the two.

Button had him 7 as early as November 2023
 
Remember you losing your mind when Hockeyprospect ranked Schaefer 1st overall back in November?

Since then, theyve been right with everyone else following suit and youve been completely wrong with Hagens falling. But I guess they are just all part of the same massive conspiracy.

Its a shame that thread was lost.
Okay, so no proof.

You just made up a claim hoping enough people would buy it because it’s convenient for your narrative that I’m a boogeyman.
 

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