TSN: Coyotes willing to eat cap space ahead of trade deadline

[Kurrilino]

It's really difficult to see if the Yotes are really interested in playing NHL hockey.
They somehow try to play the stock market instead fielding an NHL team.
In general there is nothing wrong with that but doing this for like 10 years.... i don't know

 

[Pinkfloyd]

This is more about positioning for next year. AZ will need ~$35m in cap to hit the floor and striking out/overpaying FAs isn't an option. So they need to take on some dumps to have a safer margin. It's also an easy way to get more assets.

So if you have an overpaid underperforming player like Labanc, you can send him to AZ without much fuss if you have other ideas for that cap.

I figured that they would do that this offseason after the Kessel rental is complete. Given the Sharks situation, they're not likely to pay to dump cap. They may swap cap to do change of scenery type deals but if Labanc goes anywhere, it's probably to trade for someone like Schmaltz. Unless they go out of character and go full rebuild because guys don't want to be there anymore after Hertl potentially walks.

If it were actually feasible to pay to have Arizona take Vlasic, I'd consider it but he's still got an NMC, probably won't waive for Arizona, and it would probably take four 1st round picks. lol

 

[Heldig]

Crouse
Lyubushkin
Wedgewood
3.65M OUT

for

Mrazek
Ritchie
1st
5.3 M OUT

good for both teams
- Arizona stockpiles 1st
- gets a starter/1a/b with Vejmelka
- Arizona - takes on salary WITHOUT having to use their last retention in order to acquire a 1st

- Leafs get another D and forward to help depth
- LEAFS get additional cap space approx 1.6-1.7 to get additional pieces
--> this could be a parlay *(something like a Dermott + Engvall + prospect) in order to acquire another DMAN

Not a fan of the entire deal but especially not getting Crouse without Knies going the other way.

 

[GoBoltz56]

Vegas and Tampa fans rejoice

Tampa isn't looking to dump anyone and doesn't need to.

 

[Torontonian]

Bodes well for the Leafs I guess if they are trying to move out salary for the TDL, Ritchie / Dermott are the two most likely to get sent there.

 

[kerrabria]

Re: the retention slots

Probably means Gostisbehere finishes the season as a Coyote and is traded in the summer. The final retention spot is Kessel's real estate, but he (and Kuemper) come off the the books on July 1st. Ghost still has the one year remaining, but no contender is gonna be interested in him at $4.5m mid-season.

 

[That Habs Fan]

At this point, the Coyotes staying in Arizona makes the NHL look downright amateur...

 

[KevinRedkey]

Murray and Brannstrom
for
Kessel

What does Ottawa add?

Ottawa then flips Kessel to a contender at 50% (actual dollars retained is like 300k). Allows Yotes to retain on someone else to facilitate a trade.

 

[kerrabria]

Looking towards the offseason: maybe FLA can work something out with Arizona and Hornqvist the same way Washington and Colorado collaborated on Orpik?

That f***head Yandle left us with a $5.4m penalty next season, so something has to give with our cap structure.
The final year of Hornqvist's contract has an AAV of $5.3m, but the buyout is only $1.7m for two years. We pay Arizona to buy Patric out in June, and then he signs with us for $2m x 1y on July 1st.

 

[TFHockey]

Take Crouse and Vejmelka out, sure.

I think that is a big ask of Edmonton. Koskinen isn't much to take on. In fact I think Edmonton could take him right out of the deal and not care much.
A 1st, a 2nd and Samorukov isn't worth moving Kassian for Kessel.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

is Pronger, Datsyuk and Hossa still on the payroll? lol

 

[Mike Jones]

Re: the retention slots

Probably means Gostisbehere finishes the season as a Coyote and is traded in the summer. The final retention spot is Kessel's real estate, but he (and Kuemper) come off the the books on July 1st. Ghost still has the one year remaining, but no contender is gonna be interested in him at $4.5m mid-season.

The plan for Ghost is probably to hold on to him until the '23 deadline. He'll be a UFA that offseason so can be shipped out that March.

 

[Drew311]

Well Ritchie better start booking tee times now.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Not sure what all the fuss is about.

Yotes have been doing the scorched earth right. Whether the organization figures it out once they are ready to push in a few years, we'll find out.

But for now, nothing wrong with how they've been working the rebuild.

It's weird. Arizona is getting criticized here for the idea of leveraging cap space for assets. Go over to the main board and Ron Francis is getting lambasted for not leveraging cap space for assets. Make up your minds.

 

[Heldig]

The Pens sucked at the right time, get over it. The Oilers have had the top 2 players in the league for how many years now and have done nothing. It takes more than lottery picks to make a successful team. They had money issues due to a horrible lease with their old arena and a garbage owner who sunk the team because he really wanted to make movies (although the world did get Sudden Death out of it, so that is a win.) They've been one of the most stable and successful franchises in all of professional sports for going on 2 decades. The Coyotes have been a failure since birth and are a black eye on the league at this point. It's not a comparable situation.

I used to hold back criticism after going through the threat of relocation as a fan myself, but enough is enough.

Yes, the Oilers failing has everything to do with the Coyotes never coming close to being as bad / lucky ass the Penguins.

And funny you mention a horrible lease and horrible owners as justification for the Pens.

Consider a 5 year period that the Penguins are still benefitting from:

2002 - drafted Ryan Whitney 5th overall
2003 - drafted Fleury 1st overall
2004 - drafted Malkin 2nd overall
2005 - drafted Crosby 1st overall
2006 - drafted Staal 2nd overall

This coming after the franchise was on the verge of bankruptcy for the second time and, coincidentally had been sued by their arena for failure to pay bills. They could not even pay their superstar the money they owed.

Now if the Coyotes were as fortunate as the Pens they might have turned the franchise around. Instead, they missed out on McDavid, McKinnon, Matthews, Ekblad, Barkov...The Coyotes have never drafted better than 3rd overall.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Yotes GM is brilliant... doing a complete massive rebuild and get picks and convince the owner they are building for like the 2028 season... he just guaranteed himself to be GM for a long time while expecting to continue to be horrendous.

I applaud your trickery

 

[drw02]

I actually remember people being surprised the cost to eat Datsyuk's contract was so cheap.

Red Wings trade Datsyuk, pick to Coyotes

ARZ gets
16th overall
Datsyuk (7.5m dead cap one year)

DET gets
20th overall
53rd overall
Joe Vitale

Almost seems like fair value without Datsyuk even in the deal.

That's only because Arizona really wanted Chychrun and were willing to give Detroit a good deal to get him. Had he not been there the trade probably doesn't even happen

 

[Bubbles]

Yes, the Oilers failing has everything to do with the Coyotes never coming close to being as bad / lucky ass the Penguins.

And funny you mention a horrible lease and horrible owners as justification for the Pens.

Consider a 5 year period that the Penguins are still benefitting from:

2002 - drafted Ryan Whitney 5th overall
2003 - drafted Fleury 1st overall
2004 - drafted Malkin 2nd overall
2005 - drafted Crosby 1st overall
2006 - drafted Staal 2nd overall

This coming after the franchise was on the verge of bankruptcy for the second time and, coincidentally had been sued by their arena for failure to pay bills. They could not even pay their superstar the money they owed.

Now if the Coyotes were as fortunate as the Pens they might have turned the franchise around. Instead, they missed out on McDavid, McKinnon, Matthews, Ekblad, Barkov...The Coyotes have never drafted better than 3rd overall.

Aside from Edmonton and Buffalo, that is how you build a REAL contender. If you're going to tank, you should REALLY tank. Totally forgot that Staal was 2nd overall. My god they could have Toews that draft.

 

[BAdvocate]

Coyotes willing to eat cap space in exchange for a nominal fee.

Oilers, Sabres, and Devils willing to take 80% of the top 5 draft picks since 2010 and do absolutely nothing except hoard talent that sits at home during the playoffs. At least non-traditional hockey markets like the Panthers and Hurricanes have done something with their high picks.

At least Grass roots hockey is thriving in Arizona (oh it's true). If we can't ever win, and only get to watch other teams win a draft lottery, we'll grow our own talent and begin enjoying the fruits of our labor when they reach free agency.

People are too angry and too lazy to realize they should feel sorry for the Coyotes, and root for them to have something other than bad luck.

 

[Shane Diesel]

Yotes GM is brilliant... doing a complete massive rebuild and get picks and convince the owner they are building for like the 2028 season... he just guaranteed himself to be GM for a long time while expecting to continue to be horrendous.

I applaud your trickery

Any sane GM that could accurately assess the state of the Coyotes would be doing the same. Arizona isn't anywhere near competing and desperately need picks and prospects. This is one way to get them.

 

[BAdvocate]

Aside from Edmonton and Buffalo, that is how you build a REAL contender. If you're going to tank, you should REALLY tank. Totally forgot that Staal was 2nd overall. My god they could have Toews that draft.

And then criticize other teams and their fanbase when they attempt to do the same thing.

That's not directed at you Bubbles.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

Yes, the Oilers failing has everything to do with the Coyotes never coming close to being as bad / lucky ass the Penguins.

And funny you mention a horrible lease and horrible owners as justification for the Pens.

Consider a 5 year period that the Penguins are still benefitting from:

2002 - drafted Ryan Whitney 5th overall
2003 - drafted Fleury 1st overall
2004 - drafted Malkin 2nd overall
2005 - drafted Crosby 1st overall
2006 - drafted Staal 2nd overall

This coming after the franchise was on the verge of bankruptcy for the second time and, coincidentally had been sued by their arena for failure to pay bills. They could not even pay their superstar the money they owed.

Now if the Coyotes were as fortunate as the Pens they might have turned the franchise around. Instead, they missed out on McDavid, McKinnon, Matthews, Ekblad, Barkov...The Coyotes have never drafted better than 3rd overall.

More fans should look at their own team’s history before throwing this shit around. Pens fans are the last fans who should have this kind of elitism. Talk about a franchise who has probably been the most fortunate luck-wise in their history while the coyotes have literally never had anything positive happen to them ever

 

[seanlinden]

Ghost and Stralman were given up for free. AZ needs about $35m in dead cap to hit the floor. If the player is a good locker room presence and can hold down a roster spot, all the better.

Andrew Ladd has been a great leader this year and surprisingly decent on the ice, as an example.

Beagle was also trying his hardest every night before he went down with injury.

Those were all offseason trades.

 

[McJedi]

Hopefully Ottawa can entice Arizona to take Zaitsev

That would be expensive.

 

[Mike Jones]

That would be expensive.

Kind of but it's workable. It's only two more years (UFA in '24) at $4.5million per. A second and third should do it and Ottawa has some spares in this coming draft. Arizona could send back 'futures' or something.