Couturier head shots Dach. Couturier drops the gloves with Xhekaj. Seeler comes in as a 3rd fighter. Xhekaj gets the penalty...?

[Sasha Orlov]

Well either he gets a 2+5+10 and one of the Flyers gets 5 or just give Xhekaj 2. Couts is like a 15 year veteran, pretty respected, and has a pretty clean rap sheet. The other guy has been in hot water lately

What type of penalties do you get exemption from and how many years into your career do you have to be?

 

[dirtydanglez]

bad call. seelers should be called for the 3rd man in

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Bizarre call

 

[Golden_Jet]

Only thing I can think the refs were thinking, (on third man in), is the fight hadn’t really started yet, they had both just donned their gloves.

 

[mr figgles]

That is the fastest Seeler has ever skated.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

What type of penalties do you get exemption from and how many years into your career do you have to be?

Refs aren’t robots. If someone like Cooke was going after someone like Sakic or Lidstrom it’s safe to guess how the officials will rule. Either way he instigated so he’s probably better off sitting for 2 instead of 17

 

[MXD]

I would understand giving absolutely nothing to Couturier for the ... tussle (yeah, he dropped the gloves, but it was more code nonsense than him actually wanting to do so), and Xhekaj probably deserved exactly what he got (a minor for unsportsmanlike), but whatever Seeler did is actually what blown the play dead. The call makes no sense.

 

[WatchfulElm]

I actually agree that it wasn't a headshot (in terms of principle point of contact), but he did get hit in the head, and to see a guy who's injury prone snap his head back like that you kind of have to respond if you're Xhekaj. And I agree Seeler should have stepped in.

Really the only people at fault here are the refs, and they'll of course be the only ones not held accountable for it whatsoever.

Exactly this.

I don't blame Xhekaj from talking to Couturier after a hit that might looked dirty at full speed.

I don't blame Couturier from droping the gloves first because of the stupid "code".

I don't blame Seeler from trying to save his injury prone captain.

But the only logical consequence should be 2 minutes each for roughing to Xhekaj and Couturier + 2 minutes to Seeler for being the 3rd man.

Refs just had a brain cramp here.

 

[CapSpace]

f***ing garbage clown league

 

[MXD]

Refs aren’t robots. If someone like Cooke was going after someone like Sakic or Lidstrom it’s safe to guess how the officials will rule. Either way he instigated so he’s probably better off sitting for 2 instead of 17

Watch what happened and edit your post accordingly.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Refs aren’t robots. If someone like Cooke was going after someone like Sakic or Lidstrom it’s safe to guess how the officials will rule. Either way he instigated so he’s probably better off sitting for 2 instead of 17

Yeah but this isn’t a situation where it’s unclear what should happen lmao

Third man in is pretty black and white

 

[MXD]

Yeah but this isn’t a situation where it’s unclear what should happen lmao

Third man in is pretty black and white

Heh... Third man requires an actual fight, and they decided there hasn't been a fight.

Which is probably the only thing they called right on the whole play.

 

[The Great Weal]

And xhekaj stopped the tough guy routine.

Xhekaj has a reputation for not allowing a player to join the fight fairly

You're literally contradicting yourself here. So he's not a tough guy because he wasn't hitting him but also he's apparently a coward for not letting a player join the fight fairly which he clearly did here.

 

[TKB]

Couturier dropped the gloves first. We don't know what was said on the ice but Couturier was shaking his head, he probably didn't want to fight. Maybe refs took that into account. Seeler should have still gotten a penalty here.

Dropping the gloves first isn't necessarily an instigator. Everyone in the building knows Couturier doesn't want the fight. Calling it this way saves himl from getting the automatic 10 to go along with a 2 for instigating and 5 for fighting.

And absolutely we don't know what is said on the ice and the communication from the official who is right there. Just from this clip I can see why it would be called this way.

 

[ffh]

I see why st.louis healthy scratches him

 

[byrath]

I'm good with not calling third man in there, there was no fight (yet) to be third in on. Also good with Xhekaj getting unsportsmanlike or whatever but Seeler should have gotten roughing also.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Yeah but this isn’t a situation where it’s unclear what should happen lmao

Third man in is pretty black and white

I guess if you consider a half second of grappling with no punches thrown a fight. Often times the guy who starts stirring the pot gets called, especially if he has a reputation

 

[waffledave]

My beloved fellow Habs fans in a thread that is just itching to invite the regular cast of anti-hab, troll takes

Baiting them out drives up ad revenue for the site.

 

[waffledave]

Dropping the gloves first isn't necessarily an instigator. Everyone in the building knows Couturier doesn't want the fight. Calling it this way saves himl from getting the automatic 10 to go along with a 2 for instigating and 5 for fighting.

And absolutely we don't know what is said on the ice and the communication from the official who is right there. Just from this clip I can see why it would be called this way.

Not saying Couturier should get an instigator, just that if he drops his gloves first after the two of them chatting I don't see how Xhekaj could be called for instigator here. I don't have an issue with anything Couturier did here, I just don't see how Seeler doesn't get a penalty.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

I guess if you consider a half second of grappling with no punches thrown a fight. Often times the guy who starts stirring the pot gets called, especially if he has a reputation

It obviously should be considered a fight

Did Seeler intervene to stop nothing from happening? Makes no sense

 

[danisonfire]

Welcome to "Whose game is this, anyways?" Where the rules are made up and the games don't matter.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Couts beat up Xhekaj

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Hahaha I've never seen this in my life lmao

 

[Ratsreign]

Maybe since He got there before the fight actually started, so technically not the third man in.

 

[PullHard]

No issue with Seeler jumping in here, Xhekaj could have literally killed and ended Couturier's career given his injury history. But how does Xhekaj end up with a penalty? Makes no sense.

This reminded me of hermione saying “we could’ve been killed. Or worse, expelled!”