Could there be anything more insulting than being traded for a 4th round draft pick?

[WarriorofTime]

Getting unclaimed off waivers the first time is probably a pretty low realization for guys that were hot shot prospects, maybe felt like they weren't getting a fair crack at it and assumed they were highly valued around the league.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

I imagine a 5th/6th/7th or future considerations is worse

"No return" has to be even worse.

That means the trading team was so desperate to ditch you that they didn't even care to receive a token draft pick or consider a switch prospect in the future.

 

[ijuka]

Having a strong interest in NHL history I have come across many trades where a player who is a regular on the team that traded him was traded for a 4th round (or later) draft pick.

How deflating must that be? Both GMs have decided you're not even worth a 3rd round never mind a second round or 1st round pick.

And it's not just a fourth line regular, but often times a third line or even borderline second line kind of player.

That has got to kill the ego

? a 4th round draft pick is still positive value. Imagine getting traded for negative value instead.

And you're just ignoring the salary for some reason.

 

[PistolPete]

? a 4th round draft pick is still positive value. Imagine getting traded for negative value instead.

And you're just ignoring the salary for some reason.

Maybe as a GM you see the value (although I'm amazed a GM would trade a regular player for a 4th rdp) but I can't imagine a player feels the same given how much of an absolute crapshoot that round is.

 

[PistolPete]

At 20, Jimmy Carson was traded for Wayne Gretzky.

At about 26, he was traded for Dixon Ward.

And deservedly so; he was all but done in the league by then

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Waived is worse.

 

[The Pale King]

I would certainly prefer to be traded for "Ryder, Halak and a 2nd" if I was a player.

 

[PistolPete]

Waived is worse.

Teams do get cash for that at least

I would think it's worse if you're w8wved and no one takes you

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Getting traded to Winnipeg.

 

[pvr]

What’s worth more…a fourth round pick or $1? Kris Draper was sent from Winnipeg to the Wings for $1 in 1993. I’m sure Draper looks back on that deal with great happiness.

People here on “Hockey’s Future Boards” typically and perhaps not surprisingly view draft picks as worth more than an actual NHL player, throwing around terms like “replacement level” to describe a bottom six/pairing player, and maybe trashing similar players in GDTs for their lack of talent (wish I was that *bad* at playing hockey). I get it…the future player could turn out to be great. However, a bonafide NHL player is worth more than the 4th round pick, who has at best a 10% chance or so of actually playing a season in the NHL.

Trade me for any round pick…at least I’m playing in the NHL.

 

[PistolPete]

Getting traded to Winnipeg.

Did my FIL put you up to this? Lol

He's retired Air Force but he detests Winnioeg- city and teams

 

[Brodeur]

Getting unclaimed off waivers the first time is probably a pretty low realization for guys that were hot shot prospects, maybe felt like they weren't getting a fair crack at it and assumed they were highly valued around the league.

Stephane Veilleux clears waivers; Minnesota Wild say winger’s price is too high

The Wild won their game of chicken with Stephane Veilleux on Thursday morning when the checking wing cleared waivers. Minnesota placed Veilleux, 26, on waivers Wednesday when the restricted free ag…

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That just reminded me of Stephane Veilleux when he was asking too much on a new contract. Minnesota seemingly waived him just to show him that he wasn't worth what he thought he was.

The Wild won their game of chicken with Stephane Veilleux on Thursday morning when the checking wing cleared waivers.

Minnesota placed Veilleux, 26, on waivers Wednesday when the restricted free agent turned down the team’s latest contract offer. The Wild hoped Veilleux would clear waivers and realize his asking price was too steep.

Veilleux said he is happy to still be with Minnesota but added: “I still know my value. … From a personal perspective, this doesn’t change my value.”

Veilleux, representing himself in contract negotiations, declined to say what he’s asking for. He made $550,000 last season.

 

[PistolPete]

Stephane Veilleux clears waivers; Minnesota Wild say winger’s price is too high

The Wild won their game of chicken with Stephane Veilleux on Thursday morning when the checking wing cleared waivers. Minnesota placed Veilleux, 26, on waivers Wednesday when the restricted free ag…

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That just reminded me of Stephane Veilleux when he was asking too much on a new contract. Minnesota seemingly waived him just to show him that he wasn't worth what he thought he was.

That's one way of doing negotiations lol

Could you imagine if it was the norm that if teams can't agree on a contract with a player they list his asking price and then put him on waivers to see if any other team would take him at that price?

 

[ricky0034]

In baseball you can make a trade where the return is a "player to be named later." From what I know, this is basically one team saying "you can have this guy for now, we'll figure out what we want back at some other time." Although unlike "future considerations" in hockey (effectively legalese for "for free" or something trivial including some funny little things), they do eventually figure out what goes back in return.

Harry Chiti was once traded for a "player to be named later." However, the two teams agreed to complete the trade 15 games later by sending him back to his original team. By a creative stretch of definitions, he was technically traded for himself. I wonder how that one felt for his ego.

I do wish the hockey version was more similar to that

it would probably just be mostly AHL guys or whatever but it would be more fun

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Sean Monahan and Jake Walman were traded WITH a 1st and 2nd respectively.

 

[PistolPete]

In baseball you can make a trade where the return is a "player to be named later." From what I know, this is basically one team saying "you can have this guy for now, we'll figure out what we want back at some other time." Although unlike "future considerations" in hockey (effectively legalese for "for free" or something trivial including some funny little things), they do eventually figure out what goes back in return.

Harry Chiti was once traded for a "player to be named later." However, the two teams agreed to complete the trade 15 games later by sending him back to his original team. By a creative stretch of definitions, he was technically traded for himself. I wonder how that one felt for his ego.

Well, he can tell himself that he's great he's the only player good enough to be traded for himself. He wouldn't be technically wrong

 

[PistolPete]

Sean Monahan and Jake Walman were traded WITH a 1st and 2nd respectively.

if that's not a GTFOH, I don't know what is

 

[brentashton]

Having a strong interest in NHL history I have come across many trades where a player who is a regular on the team that traded him was traded for a 4th round (or later) draft pick.

How deflating must that be? Both GMs have decided you're not even worth a 3rd round never mind a second round or 1st round pick.

And it's not just a fourth line regular, but often times a third line or even borderline second line kind of player.

That has got to kill the ego

Waiver is worse.

GM won’t even out the effort in to find a trade.

 

[brentashton]

In baseball you can make a trade where the return is a "player to be named later." From what I know, this is basically one team saying "you can have this guy for now, we'll figure out what we want back at some other time." Although unlike "future considerations" in hockey (effectively legalese for "for free" or something trivial including some funny little things), they do eventually figure out what goes back in return.

Harry Chiti was once traded for a "player to be named later." However, the two teams agreed to complete the trade 15 games later by sending him back to his original team. By a creative stretch of definitions, he was technically traded for himself. I wonder how that one felt for his ego.

Austin Mathews would think that’s a steal.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Ray Sheppard a 50 goal scorer was traded for $1.

 

[tarheelhockey]

At least it was something of value.

I like how this thread was really just a setup to brutally roast anyone picked in the 4th round

 

[PistolPete]

I like how this thread was really just a setup to brutally roast anyone picked in the 4th round

Not really lol

Luc Robitaille and Gary Suter were 9th round picks; I think Dave Taylor was a 15th round pick.

Despite the odd diamond in the rough the likelihood of 3rd and later rounds producing anything is so low it really does amaze me a team would trade a regular roster player for one

 

[tarheelhockey]

Not really lol

Luc Robitaille and Gary Suter were 9th round picks; I think Dave Taylor was a 15th round pick.

Despite the odd diamond in the rough the likelihood of 3rd and later rounds producing anything is so low it really does amaze me a team would trade a regular roster player for one

On a serious note, I feel like this is what happens when the selling team truly has no leverage. A GM knows that the falloff from 2nd-3rd-4th round picks is really sharp, so he’s going to offer a 4th to start. If there’s no noise about other offers by Deadline Day or late in the summer near training camp, he knows he can just sit on that offer and the other guy has to take it.

Now, if a guy gets traded for a 4th at midseason when there’s no pressure to make a move, that’s really bad.