Value of: Could Erik Karlsson be traded @50% retention?

[LeProspector]

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[playasRus]

Trajet that Chychrun package for a 50% EK.

Grieg/Pinto
JBD/Kleven/
1st
1st
2nd
Zaitsev

 

[NyQuil]

Trajet that Chychrun package for a 50% EK.

Grieg/Pinto
JBD/Kleven/
1st
1st
2nd
Zaitsev

That just reverses the gains of the Karlsson trade.

I just don’t think he’s a good fit here anymore.

 

[playasRus]

That just reverses the gains of the Karlsson trade.

I just don’t think he’s a good fit here anymore.

I'm not sure it would even take that much.

Maybe a minus a 1st.

Would have or top 4 RHD locked at a decent price and low actual dollars after the bonus pay this year.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Karlsson on a 5x5.75 contract is pretty nice. He'll be 37 when it ends. Has been scoring at a 0.67 point/game pace since coming to San Jose, while sharing the same role as Burns.

 

[ThankGord]

The price to retain $5.75million for 5 years would be insane + the price for Karlsson on a decent contract. Sharks are already retaining on Burns $2.72 million for 3 years too. Doesn't seem plausible but it would be fun.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Of course.

Injuries aside, Karlsson is probably an 8-9m DMan. There's no reason to think he can't still be an elite offensive DMan and his defence, while not great, is not egregiously bad. Below average, probably, but not by a huge margin.

I could see him working well in Vegas. They have a mediocre PP, although Theodore has not been their issue and Pietrangelo is a very solid 2nd option. Martinez would need to go back in return.
Last thing they should do, but Philly would make sense as a landing spot, too.
Maybe NYI? WPG?

Basically, teams who are trying to extend their current "window" but have aging cores.

But yeah, at 50% he would be extremely attractive to some teams. There are fewer PP spots than ever for a DMan, and more DMen than ever who are effective in transition and in the o-zone, but Karlsson is still one of the best around in those roles.

The price to retain $5.75million for 5 years would be insane + the price for Karlsson on a decent contract. Sharks are already retaining on Burns $2.72 million for 3 years too. Doesn't seem plausible but it would be fun.

Pretty much this.

I just really think it will be a shame if he doesnt get another playoff run (at least) while in his "prime". Obviously he's out of his prime, but not that far out... I still think he could step up for a playoff run and dominate. Maybe not to the extent of the past, but still dominate.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

That just reverses the gains of the Karlsson trade.

I just don’t think he’s a good fit here anymore.

Regardless of acquisition price, Karlsson would not work in Ottawa. Maybe after his current contract, if he is really motivated to return for his final years, some sort of happy marriage can be made. But I am not sure he will play beyond his current deal.

 

[TBF1972]

i don't think he would have the value, that it would be worthwhile for san jose to retain so much money for so long.

 

[NyQuil]

Regardless of acquisition price, Karlsson would not work in Ottawa. Maybe after his current contract, if he is really motivated to return for his final years, some sort of happy marriage can be made. But I am not sure he will play beyond his current deal.

Well, he's a former Captain as well. It's the same as bringing Spezza back.

I think it's hard to bring back former superstars because there will always be expectations that they can't fulfill.

He's not really a PP specialist like a lot of offensive defencemen, and more a weapon in transition. He needs the right personnel and system to work with, and I'm not sure who that is.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Well, he's a former Captain as well. It's the same as bringing Spezza back.

I think it's hard to bring back former superstars because there will always be expectations that they can't fulfill.

He's not really a PP specialist like a lot of offensive defencemen, and more a weapon in transition. He needs the right personnel and system to work with, and I'm not sure who that is.

I think its somewhat different to Spezza. I think Spezza would have been an awesome addition to this current core. His personality would fit well. Karlsson... not as much.

As a veteran support player, it's a different story. But right now, as a big minute player, his personality and style of play just would not fit.

 

[NyQuil]

I think its somewhat different to Spezza. I think Spezza would have been an awesome addition to this current core. His personality would fit well.

I just think there would be fan pressure to keep moving him up in the lineup based on past performances.

It's easier to be a 4th liner on a team you didn't star on IMO.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

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Karlsson on a 5x5.75 contract is pretty nice. He'll be 37 when it ends. Has been scoring at a 0.67 point/game pace since coming to San Jose, while sharing the same role as Burns.

Since Karlsson is now the clear #1 guy in San Jose. I know this has been said constantly since he got to San Jose - but if he stays healthy he is on for a big offensive year.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I just think there would be fan pressure to keep moving him up in the lineup based on past performances.

It's easier to be a 4th liner on a team you didn't star on IMO.

Fair enough - it definitely requires an ego check coming in. Don't think it would be an issue for Spezz.... more likely for Karl, though.

 

[SlapJack]

I can't see San Jose spending $25M over the next 5 years to not have Karlsson and replace him with someone who might not be as good and costs the same.

 

[GAGLine]

I can't see San Jose spending $25M over the next 5 years to not have Karlsson and replace him with someone who might not be as good and costs the same.

I can if they decide it's time to rebuild, but that isn't going to happen this summer.

 

[TheNewEra]

i dont think they need to retain that much to move karlsson as he is still an 8-9 million player, obviously with less retention san jose gets less in return but i cant see san jose returning 25 million unless some team offers something stupid

 

[cwede]

Just cant happen,
suicidal for Sharks to commit to burning 5 seasons >$5M
Wild were kinda desperate when they ate the Parise/Suter deals, but Grier wont handcuff himself that way

Fun click bait topic tho...

 

[Necrobutcher]

i dont think they need to retain that much to move karlsson as he is still an 8-9 million player, obviously with less retention san jose gets less in return but i cant see san jose returning 25 million unless some team offers something stupid

Don't agree on 8-9m but 6,5-7m would sound pretty good. He'd be a great fit in some possible surprise playoff team with cap space.

 

[fasterthanlight]

When he's firing on all cylinders he's still a game-breaker (probably happens ~20 games / year).
When he's "off", he's still okay --- he has some high profile defensive snafus, but, while these are meme-y, he's not as bad as he's made out to be on average. (~30 games / year)
When he's injured, he's injured (~30 games / year).

Overall, for a playoff team, I'd say he could be worth around 8M/yr. So, yes, with 50% retention, I'd say he'd carry significant value.

 

[TheBeard]

i dont think they need to retain that much to move karlsson as he is still an 8-9 million player, obviously with less retention san jose gets less in return but i cant see san jose returning 25 million unless some team offers something stupid

He is, but he won’t be in 3-4 years and that’s what’ll have teams hesitant. There’s a LOT of term still left.

 

[TheNewEra]

He is, but he won’t be in 3-4 years and that’s what’ll have teams hesitant. There’s a LOT of term still left.

5 years isnt too bad and there are always gms on the hot seat that have bad contracts to make it work

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The price to retain $5.75million for 5 years would be insane + the price for Karlsson on a decent contract. Sharks are already retaining on Burns $2.72 million for 3 years too. Doesn't seem plausible but it would be fun.

well I mean its possible look at MIN just thats alot of years to retain 50% on EK one that the package would have to be insane to consider

 

[Captain Mountain]

Yes. He has a NMC though, which may be as big an impediment as the contract. Even if he's open to a fresh start, how many places would he want to play and how many of those teams would want him?

 

[LevelingSolo]

He ain't it brother