Value of: Cost for NYR to swap Hayton Schmaltz Kerfoot for Zibanejad Smith Rempe?

[ChaoticOrange]

Schmaltz and Kerfoot aren't kids. Hayton is young-ish but they're getting back Rempe who is young. The pieces NYR add on would be the reason UTA hypothetically agrees. A 1st round pick would likely be going to UTA, which is technically a 17 or 18 year old kid.

Rempe can't play hockey, though. I love his fire and his reckless abandon but the kid's not a hockey player. He's an enforcer in an era that doesn't want enforcers.

 

[n8]

As an outsider Zibby would be a cap dump now wouldn’t he?

The closest comparison I can come up with is Scott Gomez. He was not playing to his ability but even then, Sather managed to flip him to Montreal for a significant package that included Ryan McDonaugh. So you could imagine that if there was a GM out there that was really high on Zibanejad and has been for a really long time, they could convince themselves that they are going to get a 30 goal point-per-game player that just needs a change of scenery, they could end up sending the Rangers a surprisingly good package like the Rangers received for Scott Gomez.

I think Ranger fans think Ziba is just psychologically cooked with our current locker room environment. Our team would benefit from just moving on from him. But there is a world that he finds his game again with a different team. I think there is also a world where the Rangers are will to retain 50% of his contract too. So maybe getting a PPG player at just $4.25M cap is something worth gambling on. It'd also be worth asking yourself, "what sort of player do you need at that cap hit for him to be considered effective?" and then also use the trade value of such a player probably as your minimum price. And anything above that line would be bonus. That'd be a win for that GM.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

The closest comparison I can come up with is Scott Gomez. He was not playing to his ability but even then, Sather managed to flip him to Montreal for a significant package that included Ryan McDonaugh. So you could imagine that if there was a GM out there that was really high on Zibanejad and has been for a really long time, they could convince themselves that they are going to get a 30 goal point-per-game player that just needs a change of scenery, they could end up sending the Rangers a surprisingly good package like the Rangers received for Scott Gomez.

I think Ranger fans think Ziba is just psychologically cooked with our current locker room environment. Our team would benefit from just moving on from him. But there is a world that he finds his game again with a different team. I think there is also a world where the Rangers are will to retain 50% of his contract too. So maybe getting a PPG player at just $4.25M cap is something worth gambling on. It'd also be worth asking yourself, "what sort of player do you need at that cap hit for him to be considered effective?" and then also use the trade value of such a player probably as your minimum price. And anything above that line would be bonus. That'd be a win for that GM.

You have no idea how much therapy I’ve gone through to forget that trade

 

[bernmeister]

when did the Marleau deal become the de facto baseline? and this isnt a 1 year deal. you cant just tack on picks for extra years and think they hold the same value. thats not how it works

did not say it was de facto or only standard
just said it was one measuring stick

peace out happy holidays

 

[SEALBound]

Utah is no longer a dumping ground. That ended with the Coyotes.

 

[BKarchitect]

I’m not sure why Utah is trading 2/3 of their top line in the hopes that a disinterested Mika decides to be interested in hockey again at age 31 with his golden parachute contract having 5.5 years left.

Horrifically bad for Utah.

 

[lawrence]

to Utah Hockey Club
Mika Zibanejad (6y @ $8.50m)
Reilly Smith (expiring @ $3.75m)
Matt Rempe (expiring but RFA @ $0.82m) waivers 2025
( Rangers add, you tell me what the fair price is )
TOTAL CAP = $13.07m

to New York Rangers
Barrett Hayton (2y then RFA @ $2.65m)
Nick Schmaltz (2y @ $5.85m)
Alex Kerfoot (expiring @ $3.50m)
TOTAL CAP = $12.00m

This move helps the Rangers move on from Zibanejad's huge contract as he's declining. It makes the team younger, provides more cap and roster flexibility long-term, and opens up $1.07m in cap space for this season.

What would NYR have to give to UTA to make this a fair trade?

pretty lame offer. Seems like you just want to get rid of bad contracts.

every team wants to do that. Not gonna happen bro, lol !!!

 

[lanceuppercut75]

What about...

Mika Zibanejad (20% retained)
Reilly Smith
Matt Rempe
( NYR add, you tell me what is fair )

for

Jack McBain
Nick Schmaltz
Alex Kerfoot

Better? Assuming NYR is adding at least a 1st rounder and probably more than that.

 

[BrockLobster]

Yikes. Brutal for Utah

 

[n8]

You have no idea how much therapy I’ve gone through to forget that trade

Pray Gorton doesn't get Hughes go for Mika. It'll be

Spoiler: therapy trigger warning

Reinbacher + Engstrom

this time.

 

[Classic Devil]

What about...

Mika Zibanejad (20% retained)
Reilly Smith
Matt Rempe
( NYR add, you tell me what is fair )

for

Jack McBain
Nick Schmaltz
Alex Kerfoot

Better? Assuming NYR is adding at least a 1st rounder and probably more than that.

Rempe at best has no value, so you might as well just scratch him off the list. If Utah were to acquire him they'd do what the Rangers should do with him, which is waive him and send him to the ECHL.

Reilly Smith and Jack McBain are scoring at approximately the same rate this year... but McBain is 24 and being paid $1.6M/year, and when it expires at the end of the season he'll be an RFA. By contrast, Smith is 33, being paid $5M/year, and is a UFA at the end of the season.

So just considering McBain for Smith, it's not clear (1) why they'd want Smith over McBain, or (2) why they'd want Smith at all, given that Utah isn't going to be making the playoffs and so adding forward depth for them isn't a priority.

That leaves Zibanejad for Schmaltz. Schmaltz is currently out-scoring Zibanejad, he's 28 (compared to Zibanejad's 21), and he's being paid $5.9M (compared to Zibanejad's $8.5). And Zibanejad has 5 more years on his contract.

Granted, Zibanejad is still a superior player and I have every reason to think he'll bounce back some compared to his current form... for now. But even if he does, why would Utah want his contract for what is, at best, a marginal upgrade... in a season where they're not competing anyway?

And you want Kerfoot too? Kerfoot isn't anything special, mind you, but...

So...

To take Zibanejad, Utah is going to want at least an unprotected 1st.
To take Smith, Utah is going to want a 2nd.
Rempe is a neutral asset.

To give Schmaltz, Utah is going to want a 1st, or maybe something like a 2nd and a 3rd.
To give McBain, Utah is going to want a 1st (at least).
To give Kerfoot, Utah is going to want a 3rd (?).

So that comes out to 3 1st round picks, a 2nd, and a 3rd? At least?

 

[OilersFanatics505]

I get Rags fans are upset right at the dumpster fire they have to watch but come on? This post is a war crime

 

[lanceuppercut75]

I get Rags fans are upset right at the dumpster fire they have to watch but come on? This post is a war crime

How is it a war crime to ask the cost of swapping players? The cost could be five 1st round picks, the cost could be a 7th rounder. Simply asking what the cost would be doesn't imply any sort of value in either direction.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Rempe at best has no value, so you might as well just scratch him off the list. If Utah were to acquire him they'd do what the Rangers should do with him, which is waive him and send him to the ECHL.

Reilly Smith and Jack McBain are scoring at approximately the same rate this year... but McBain is 24 and being paid $1.6M/year, and when it expires at the end of the season he'll be an RFA. By contrast, Smith is 33, being paid $5M/year, and is a UFA at the end of the season.

So just considering McBain for Smith, it's not clear (1) why they'd want Smith over McBain, or (2) why they'd want Smith at all, given that Utah isn't going to be making the playoffs and so adding forward depth for them isn't a priority.

That leaves Zibanejad for Schmaltz. Schmaltz is currently out-scoring Zibanejad, he's 28 (compared to Zibanejad's 21), and he's being paid $5.9M (compared to Zibanejad's $8.5). And Zibanejad has 5 more years on his contract.

Granted, Zibanejad is still a superior player and I have every reason to think he'll bounce back some compared to his current form... for now. But even if he does, why would Utah want his contract for what is, at best, a marginal upgrade... in a season where they're not competing anyway?

And you want Kerfoot too? Kerfoot isn't anything special, mind you, but...

So...

To take Zibanejad, Utah is going to want at least an unprotected 1st.
To take Smith, Utah is going to want a 2nd.
Rempe is a neutral asset.

To give Schmaltz, Utah is going to want a 1st, or maybe something like a 2nd and a 3rd.
To give McBain, Utah is going to want a 1st (at least).
To give Kerfoot, Utah is going to want a 3rd (?).

So that comes out to 3 1st round picks, a 2nd, and a 3rd? At least?

Zibanejad (20% retained)
2025 1st
2026 1st
Rempe or depth prospect

for

Schmaltz
Bjugstad (50% retained rental)

How's that? Getting closer at least?

 

[Dead Coyote]

What about...

Mika Zibanejad (20% retained)
Reilly Smith
Matt Rempe
( NYR add, you tell me what is fair )

for

Jack McBain
Nick Schmaltz
Alex Kerfoot

Better? Assuming NYR is adding at least a 1st rounder and probably more than that.

Lol no, a million times worse. McBain is an actual core piece far more valuable than Hayton and you aren't getting anything of value for Zibenajad anyways.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Zibanejad (20% retained)
2025 1st
2026 1st
Rempe or depth prospect

for

Schmaltz
Bjugstad (50% retained rental)

How's that? Getting closer at least?

Utah doesn't need more draft assets that are years away.

Lamoreaux
But
Simashev
Goldsmith
Raty
Beaudoin
Castagna
Lutz
Nordh
Iginla
Keleman
Kolyachanok
Szuber
Duda
Savunov
Kipke
Sokolov

I could keep going on and on. They have one of the deepest prospect pools in the league and still have all but their 7th round pick this year without making any moves and *still* have 3 2nds next year and 2 3rds. Draft capital is the last thing they want for the players they have that will fetch the most.

 

[SimpleJack]

This has to be a joke….right?

 

[OilersFanatics505]

This has to be a joke….right?

Apparently OP is serious…

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Apparently OP is serious…

OP is serious, but people are not reading the OP correctly (as per usual).

OP asks "how much do Rangers need to add to this to make this a fair trade?".
OP does NOT ask "is this a fair trade the way that it is right now with nothing added?"
That's why this is labeled a VALUE OF thread, not a PROPOSAL thread.

 

[Lunatik]

Hayton Schmaltz Kerfoot​

Zibanejad Smith Rempe​

those are 2 ridiculously long names.... if only you used commas, then it could be 6 guys

 

[north49er]

Why are you trading the embodiment of the New York Rangers in Matt Rempe?

Like the rest of the team this year he misses more games than. he plays....

 

[OilersFanatics505]

OP is serious, but people are not reading the OP correctly (as per usual).

OP asks "how much do Rangers need to add to this to make this a fair trade?".
OP does NOT ask "is this a fair trade the way that it is right now with nothing added?"
That's why this is labeled a VALUE OF thread, not a PROPOSAL thread.

When you start that far apart. No one takes you seriously. Then you keep somehow making it worse with every subsequent value shift.