Bryanbryoil
Pray For Ukraine
- Sep 13, 2004
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Some talk that newer variants may result in lower efficacy from vaccines and that early infections by the oldest strains may not provide immunity.
I think people are taking the "we are going to have to live with this for the coming years" too literally.Conspiracy lovers have come to the conclusion that the lockdowns wont end till late 2022 until everyone has been coerced into taking a shot. At this point its hard to figure out whos crazier, them or the people in charge. It used to be a 80/20 split as far as trust in the system. Now leadership incompetence and corruption are converting a lot more people. The altetnative news sources arent the biggest culprit. Our elected officials are.
One wonders if this is really anything but subterfuge about the AZ vaccine being a lower cost rollout. Seems strange. No information at all, but NY times headlines.
Make up your bloody mind already.
I think most of have, for a while now. AZ may not work very well on it, but they are already in the process of developing a booster shot which will (which was already posted in the previous thread). Pfizer/Biotech has already said that they are not worried at all since 1) their vaccine seems to work against the SA variant (although more study needed) and 2) they can modify it in a very short time (15 days). Moderna said the same. J&J was tested against the SA variant with good results and as we speak they are shipping in doses to South Africa.
Make up your bloody mind already.
I understand that the company will never give up, but at some point the US needs to cut their losses and send AZ on their way.
Considering this last piece of controversy I don't see any reason why the US could not simply "loan" all of their stockpiled AZ doses to Canada, Mexico and other nations. Already in February there was an opinion piece basically asking why to bother seeing as they have already shored up more than enough of Pfizer, Moderna and J&J to vaccinate all of their citizens before summer. The introduction of AZ on the market will not make that much of a difference, but it can make a difference in other places.
I don't really know anymore, over here we have the UK, Brazil and South Africa variants by now, but it is the UK one that is clearly taking over. It was at 55% of all cases the other week, I am guessing a bit more now. It is the same for many countries in Europe right now. I know in Sweden they have had cluster outbreaks with the South African variant, but I guess it is too soon to see if it will start spreading widely. For now it has been limited to a few towns/places. In general in Sweden as well it is the UK variant that is pushing this wave.Again unfortunate information is so delayed. They were studying the AZ effects on South African variant in 2020. We're seeing results months later after some less detailed information prior.
We had known that AZ was effective against Wild covid and Uk Variant, which are the dominant strains. I banked on that, and that we have essentially around a handful of active SA Variants in the whole province and those numbers don't seem to be increasing at all. I mean for the longest time Edmonton had 2 cases of SA and now we have 3. One wonders if the first 2 are already resolved. If the SA variant is just as contagious how come in vast majority of countries numbers of this variant are still so low?
Anyway consumers shouldn't be faced with all this conflicting information every day. I mean this is not brand preference and choosing Coke or Pepsi on taste. its about saving lives.
Nobody should be put into a position where you're wondering whether you made the wrong decision based on how poor the rollout of information is. Even at the Vaccine clinic they don't have a stitch of info not seen online. health authorities tend to look at Vaccines as one brand (even though they monitor which one you get)
I would have picked Johnsons if it was available. Oh well, One shot Vaccine in arm, we'll see what unfolds.
The vaccines might be close to expiry dates in anycase. Might be a moot point. Agreed that in the US the introduction of AZ won't make much difference but it has around the world. US is in the fairly unique position of having access to a large amount of vaccines. Canadians don't get this pipeline either..
Over here its take what you can get. Or pound sand and wait for months.
But the US like any jurisdiction would have some interest in AZ vaccine because of appreciably lower costs and ease of administration. (normal refrigeration). Theres a lot of places in the US where the AZ would be easier to roll out.
Keep your eyes in the South African varient. It may make us wish for the good old days of 2020.
I'd take AZ in a heartbeat. I have zero concerns after looking at the evidence.
Was it AZ that only had a 25% efficacy against the SA strain or was that a different vaccine?
Was it AZ that only had a 25% efficacy against the SA strain or was that a different vaccine?