OT: Coronavirus XXIV: The Shit Has Hit the Fan in Europe Again :(

[Little Fury]

Yup, but I guess their thinking is stick with as few cohorts as possible to reduce the "multiplier". Ie. Person A with 2 cohorts meets person B with 3... compared to person C with 7 cohorts, meet person D with 8 cohorts. Reduce cohorts, reduce chances of infection/transmission and maybe lessen or at least slow down how far spread it may get. And I think that might be the key... slow down/control a bit better how quickly it can spread/get out of control with smaller/less cohorts.

Yeah that's great in theory but I'm not sure how many people are going to stick with it.

 

[Dorian2]

The Surprising Ways China Affects the U.S. Economy

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Nostradumbass]

You used the official message released by the same Foxes who were responsible for the firing as proof of what was wrong. You even called the billboard an Ad.

Fox, "Honest Mr. farmer. I ate that chicken because it was outside the pen. That's not allowed even though I opened the gate and gave the chicken the power to do exactly that. If the chicken hadn't pissed me off...er...I mean...didn't follow the rules, it would be alive today."

Ok, I think our discussion is done here.

 

[Raab]

Actually plenty since my partner is an academic and our social circle is almost exclusively young academics.

This notion that university administrations are nests of left wing group think is one of the most pernicious myths out there.

I meant mainstream educators like Jordan Peterson.

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

Yes, how dare he not be able to get a PS 5 when we're freeing 1 billion from dictatorial communist rule, and subduing the biggest threat to humanity as we know it.

Happy to see that the PS2 is the highest selling console in history.

Shows that many people don't fall for what they see in advertising.

 

[MaxR11]

It's always been the case though moreso a recommendation. Our league was pretty clear about it that they didn't want it. The only exception being considered is a goalie in an emergency as the game would be forfeited otherwise. Also a goalie doesn't sit on the bench in close proximity to teammates so if everyone masks up in the dressing room, they aren't as big a risk as they are sort of socially distanced anyways except for brief moments.

How's your season going? Any word of possible hockey related covid infections yet? I'm not involved but some people I know who are partaking are suspecting there is a bit of it happening. Nothing big yet though. One thing it sounds like is that no one is wearing masks in the dressing room. To me, they should be making that a rule as I do think that would be the greatest risk of transmission with the whole men's league/shinny experience.

 

[Nostradumbass]

It's difficult to go more than a few weeks without hearing about some university firing a professor for "promoting views contrary to the ideals of our institution", hearing about a public speaking engagement on a campus being cancelled amid protest, or hearing a former researcher/professor talk about how their funding got pulled or they lost their job outright because the university didn't like what they were researching or what they were saying in lectures. I guess common knowledge isn't quite as common as I thought it was.

Lots of anecdotes without any specifics...

 

[MaxR11]

Yeah that's great in theory but I'm not sure how many people are going to stick with it.

O, i know, I have no illusions that people are actually abiding, for the most part.... thus the spike in numbers.

 

[Raab]

I agree with this... there is also just a better understanding of how the virus works. At the beginning we had no idea how this thing spead, who would die from it, etc. Are all the global supply changes going to collapse? Will I ever get to use toilet paper again? There were real uncertainties back in March.

Now, we have seen what happens when this virus really gets out of control... in Italy and New York. Mass devestation, lives lost.... but not everyone is going to die and our way of living will remain in some form or fashion.

Human nature cannot sustain constant worries about death. Those who do struggle. Nobody gets in their car everyday and thinks "I have a 1.5% chance of dying on this drive (or whatever the stat is)," or at least not most people.

Corona virus wasn't/isnt that bad right now. Imagine if the 1918 spanish flu(H1N1) came back with its original lethality and our modern transportation systems? People were a lot more isolated in 1918...

 

[Little Fury]

I meant mainstream educators like Jordan Peterson.

What does Meat Boy have to do with anything?

 

[Raab]

The US can't even properly win a war against Afghans with 80s era Soviet weapons that operate out of caves.

Well they better win this war or were going to be slaves to a communist world government.

Edit: I should add that's if they don't kill us first and just take the land for their people.

 

[Raab]

What does Meat Boy have to do with anything?

Why was he fired if everyone is allowed to speak their mind on issues? Clearly not the case.

 

[Oilers in NS]

Like keeping a secret bank account there and paying taxes to the PRC?

Sure, whatever he said

how about the economy booming before Covid .

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

Canadians are feeling pandemic fatigue. Experts say ‘greater good’ message isn’t enough

 

[Soundwave]

Well they better win this war or were going to be slaves to a communist world government.

I don't think so. China isn't even communist (I missed the part where Soviet Russia had Star Wars movies and McDonalds and Sony Walkmans and Air Jordans and Louis Vuitton, this is like a porn star saying they're a virgin) by any realistic metric.

They are if anything a hyper-capitalist authoritarian state, but the West does business with a lot of those countries as is (hello Saudi Arabia).

 

[bellagiobob]

No doubt. Question always was, how long were most people willing to forego seeing family members? Lots of people suddenly went months without seeing people they previously saw on a weekly basis. In spite of this, there is still no end in sight (unfortunate), but the death rate has remained extremely low (fortunate). With both those things in mind, it's just human nature that we were going to drift back towards normal things like seeing extended family. I don't see this as a failing on the part of those people, though some will.

It’s not a failing, but we all have choices to make. If we decide to have 10 or 15 people over for dinner, knowing that at least a third of the spread is caused by these gatherings, then we need to accept restrictions if hospital numbers get past the stated acceptable levels. Lost track how many people I’ve talked to lately who are having bigger dinners, etc who say that all the people in their groups are all ‘good people.’ Which of course is nice, but irrelevant as far as the virus is concerned.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Canadians are feeling pandemic fatigue. Experts say ‘greater good’ message isn’t enough

they need to crank up the fear and hysteria to 11

so we don't just hoard toilet paper this time...

 

[GretzkytoKurri9917]

they need to crank up the fear and hysteria to 11

so we don't just hoard toilet paper this time...

 

[bone]

How's your season going? Any word of possible hockey related covid infections yet? I'm not involved but some people I know who are partaking are suspecting there is a bit of it happening. Nothing big yet though. One thing it sounds like is that no one is wearing masks in the dressing room. To me, they should be making that a rule as I do think that would be the greatest risk of transmission with the whole men's league/shinny experience.

So far it's okay. Hard to manage rosters in cohort as we just finished a 6 game segment with 4 injuries which is tough when you only have access to 16 guys and guys work shiftwork.

No infections that we are aware of, but we've had guys voluntarily sit out if a family member had symptoms pre-test or in one case a player was working with someone who tested positive but wasn't in close contact so he sat out to be safe. Some teams are being a little cavalier about their actions, but the league is trying to hit us with a lot of communication on the matter to ensure no one can claim they didn't know.

For the dressing room they have made it mandatory in most of the rinks, but how can they enforce that without multiple people hanging out in the dressing room invading people's privacy.

The way I look at it once you are in the dressing room you're only around guys that you are going to be breathing heavy with on the bench inches away from them in the next hour or two anyways which is where you're really at the highest risk of catching it. The exception to this is in the event you bring an emergency goalie into the group then you'd want to limit exposure with the extra guy who may be in another cohort.

 

[soothsayer]

Sure, whatever he said

how about the economy booming before Covid .

If by "booming" you mean "entering a recession." The US entered a recession in February 2020.

 

[Raab]

I don't think so. China isn't even communist (I missed the part where Soviet Russia had Star Wars movies and McDonalds and Sony Walkmans and Air Jordans and Louis Vuitton, this is like a porn star saying they're a virgin) by any realistic metric.

They are if anything a hyper-capitalist authoritarian state, but the West does business with a lot of those countries as is (hello Saudi Arabia).

We'll they're no longer communist like under Mao. They've moved away from a planned market. But thats why I called them modern day fascists like the Nazi's. How are they any different? Big on Nationalism, big on military spending, the appearance of a free market with government owning several of the major corporations, persecuting a subsection of the population in concentration camps. What did I miss?

 

[Little Fury]

Why was he fired if everyone is allowed to speak their mind on issues? Clearly not the case.

He wasn’t fired?

 

[Soundwave]

We'll they're no longer communist like under Mao. They've moved away from a planned market. But thats why I called them modern day fascists like the Nazi's. How are they any different? Big on Nationalism, big on military spending, the appearance of a free market with government owning several of the major corporations, persecuting a subsection of the population in concentration camps. What did I miss?

I would say they're like a much more powerful, much larger Saudi Arabia, just substitute in the religious conservatism for nationalistic control.

But the West has done business with Saudi Arabia for decades and turned a blind eye to many issues there.

 

[Nostradumbass]

If by "booming" you mean "entering a recession." The US entered a recession in February 2020.

You just need another significant corporate tax cut to artificially inflate the markets again.