Coronavirus drifts through the air in microscopic droplets – the science of infectious aerosols

[blankall]

Were you in a coma the first few months?

No. I was rationally assessing the information that was being presented to me.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

I'm not sure how anyone could possibly have believed this. It became painfully apparent, very early on, that Covid spread much easier than the flu or the common cold, hence the total lack of flu cases in jurisdictions with Covid measures. Covid also spread much easier indoors, which suggested spread in circulated closed air systems.

Let's be real here. Several studies last summer suggested that the virus could be transmitted via aerosols and remain in the area hence why 2 meter guidelines weren't sufficient enough. Health officials and governments just elected to ignore a segment of scientists and researchers as the findings would have severely impacted the economy.

[begin rant]
What this has shown Canadians is that the average joe's lives don't matter. Federal relief went to large corporations that padded their own bottom line, along with hedge funds and spouses of affluent executives that knew how to game the system. Meanwhile minimum wage employees and essential employees were literally thrusted into work environments for months without adequate PPE. COVID19 showed us how vulnerable our seniors homes and health care infrastructure are while showing how inadequate legislation is at protecting employees and people from exposure in workplaces (sick days). Of course, nothing will change for the better.

 

[Treb]

No. I was rationally assessing the information that was being presented to me.

That has very little to do with what I said.

If you paid attention in the first few months, you would have seen discussions about it, which is what you asked about.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

[begin rant]
What this has shown Canadians is that the average joe's lives don't matter. Federal relief went to large corporations that padded their own bottom line, along with hedge funds and spouses of affluent executives that knew how to game the system. Meanwhile minimum wage employees and essential employees were literally thrusted into work environments for months without adequate PPE. COVID19 showed us how vulnerable our seniors homes and health care infrastructure are while showing how inadequate legislation is at protecting employees and people from exposure in workplaces (sick days). Of course, nothing will change for the better.

This is not true. I employ 4 people and I got the subsidy and I've been communicating with dozens of other small business owners that benefited as well. You're reading outlier articles at the CBC and more recently the G&M. Yes, some large corporations took the wage subsidy (why wouldn't they?) but 70% of employment in Canada comes from small to medium sized companies and that becomes 90% when you exclude the public sector. Furthermore, the vast majority of companies decimated by the shutdowns have been small business so it stands to reason you're talking about the vast number of employers multiplied by the vast number of affected employers. You're buying a narrative my friend, that's how they do it to stoke anger.

 

[metalan2]

If this is the case, then masks are useless and have been useless. The only reason masks were said to be effective in any capacity is because the virus was supposedly not airborne and only spread in thick droplets.

 

[TaLoN]

If this is the case, then masks are useless and have been useless. The only reason masks were said to be effective in any capacity is because the virus was supposedly not airborne and only spread in thick droplets.

The mask debate ended months ago when several independent studies proved the effectiveness of math wearing at limiting (not completely stopping) the spread.

Bumping a year old thread isn't going to revive that debate.

 

[metalan2]

The mask debate ended months ago when several independent studies proved the effectiveness of math wearing at limiting (not completely stopping) the spread.

Bumping a year old thread isn't going to revive that debate.

Lol ok.

 

[Egg]

The only reason masks were said to be effective in any capacity is because the virus was supposedly not airborne and only spread in thick droplets.

The CDC, and other medical bodies would state otherwise. The illness has been deemed as airborne. Several studies have confirmed this.

I like the urine analogy I've seen a few times.

If one were to not wear any pants and urinate on the person ahead of them, they would soak them. Obviously the "mist and stream" could only hit a person from so far, so standing away from such a person would minimize risks of getting wet.

Wear jeans and underwear? The damage is contained to where only you're getting soaked.

Whole point of mask wearing. It protects others from the user.

I was in Asia when Covid began, and they had it down to a science very quickly especially in China. Everyone wore masks in public in some of these countries, and those that did, quickly controlled the problem.

If masks aren't important, it would be hard to point to say, someone in a rather large restaurant (dining indoors) getting sick from one end when they're socially distancing.

Those who understand airborne illness, have invested in UV or HEPA filtration, or better yet--ensuring proper ventilation throughout their facilities, coupled with social distancing.

Since the above, would be next to impossible to implement socially, masks offer a layer of protection to minimize spread in areas where socially distancing is either difficult or impossible.

 

[metalan2]

The CDC, and other medical bodies would state otherwise. The illness has been deemed as airborne. Several studies have confirmed this.

I like the urine analogy I've seen a few times.

If one were to not wear any pants and urinate on the person ahead of them, they would soak them. Obviously the "mist and stream" could only hit a person from so far, so standing away from such a person would minimize risks of getting wet.

Wear jeans and underwear? The damage is contained to where only you're getting soaked.

Whole point of mask wearing. It protects others from the user.

I was in Asia when Covid began, and they had it down to a science very quickly especially in China. Everyone wore masks in public in some of these countries, and those that did, quickly controlled the problem.

If masks aren't important, it would be hard to point to say, someone in a rather large restaurant (dining indoors) getting sick from one end when they're socially distancing.

Those who understand airborne illness, have invested in UV or HEPA filtration, or better yet--ensuring proper ventilation throughout their facilities, coupled with social distancing.

Since the above, would be next to impossible to implement socially, masks offer a layer of protection to minimize spread in areas where socially distancing is either difficult or impossible.

The CDC USED to say it was airborne, but then changed it's stance to being spread mostly by droplets.

Why? Mask recommendations would be useless vs an airborne virus.

Your urine example only works IF the virus is NOT airborne.

The better analogy with an airborne virus is putting up a fence to keep mosquitoes out.

Fauci himself in his leaked emails stayed to a colleague masks do not work and only protect against droplets. This is obvious though.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

The CDC, and other medical bodies would state otherwise. The illness has been deemed as airborne. Several studies have confirmed this.

I like the urine analogy I've seen a few times.

If one were to not wear any pants and urinate on the person ahead of them, they would soak them. Obviously the "mist and stream" could only hit a person from so far, so standing away from such a person would minimize risks of getting wet.

Wear jeans and underwear? The damage is contained to where only you're getting soaked.

that's an odd analogy...anyone with glasses knows air from your breath still escapes through the top and fogs up your glasses

Whole point of mask wearing. It protects others from the user.

I was in Asia when Covid began, and they had it down to a science very quickly especially in China. Everyone wore masks in public in some of these countries, and those that did, quickly controlled the problem.

If masks aren't important, it would be hard to point to say, someone in a rather large restaurant (dining indoors) getting sick from one end when they're socially distancing.

if masks were as effective has people say they are, why did every single Country that implemented them still see wave after wave? and why in places like Texas Iowa and Florida, where they got rid of their mandates early...not see a rise in cases?
I'm not an anti-masker...but I also think they're low on a list of effective ways of mitigating spread

 

[Egg]

anyone with glasses knows air from your breath still escapes through the top and fogs up your glasses

You can pinch the nose strip on your mask, or rest your glasses on top, to eliminate or dramatically reduce the effect. There are other methods--I wear glasses.

that's an odd analogy

It gives a visual of why masks work. More importantly, what they protect.

why did every single Country that implemented them still see wave after wave?

You have to observe what is causing these waves.

Observing a reopening where people are crowding maskless and seeing spikes and blaming masks, is like blaming guns for murder rates. Better yet, Marilyn Manson. Haven't you heard his music? Its ignoring issues at the the core of the problem. Behaviors.

I was in Hong Kong where they had this under control for months. 5-6 months in, death tolls in single digits. Weeks without cases. They fully reopened all physical borders with China, and implemented lax procedures at the border. Meaning, lack of quarantine enforcement. Lack of many of the things that kept numbers low, and made the city an example of how to correctly control the virus.

Many family members were reunited, and human as we are--vigilance took a back seat. Numbers spiked quickly after. Again. Blaming masks for this, is blaming alcohol for drunk driving.

Masks just like vaccines, require mass adoption, for effectiveness.

I also think they're low on a list of effective ways of mitigating spread

What one thinks, and what experts have demonstrated, are vastly different things.

 

[Egg]

The CDC USED to say

The CDC has switched their opinions on this virus so many times, they stopped being used as a reliable source of information to me. This is a body that initially stated masks as ineffective against spread, only to correct to wearing them is effective, then double masking. With shaky information like that, some are surprised at the level of panic and confusion and distrust some are experiencing?

 

[metalan2]

The CDC has switched their opinions on this virus so many times, they stopped being used as a reliable source of information to me. This is a body that initially stated masks as ineffective against spread, only to correct to wearing them is effective, then double masking. With shaky information like that, some are surprised at the level of panic and confusion and distrust some are experiencing?

Yep, I agree there.