The successes or failures of Sweden are a highly politicized topic because, as a country that's not shutting down, people who would like the US to reopen immediately like to say that Sweden is doing great. But I prefer to look at the data instead of the news sites.. deaths per capita can't really lie (unless you hide deaths.. looking at you, China) and Sweden's numbers look.. not great.
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The successes or failures of Sweden are a highly politicized topic because, as a country that's not shutting down, people who would like the US to reopen immediately like to say that Sweden is doing great. But I prefer to look at the data instead of the news sites.. deaths per capita can't really lie (unless you hide deaths.. looking at you, China) and Sweden's numbers look.. not great.
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Oxford coronavirus vaccine is effective in monkeys, could be available in September
Effective in monkeys. Good news for Brett Howden.
Effective in monkeys. Good news for Brett Howden.
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Looking at the numbers, and I know they are not totally accurate but Florida has literally around only 10% the total amount of cases NY does. That is crazy.
They are talking about opening the theme parks down there by end of June, with special precautions and limited capacity.
They are talking about opening the theme parks down there by end of June, with special precautions and limited capacity.
eco's bones
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Not sure if Western NY around the Buffalo area are included for now or even north from NYC all the way up to Albany. The study they're doing last week for 500 people around the state out shopping had 13.9% of New Yorkers who had had Covid-19--that had 21% of NYC/downstate having had it and 3.6% of upstate. That study increased to 7500 people this week and went to 14.9% of New Yorkers with 24% downstate and 3.2% upstate and then Cuomo broke the numbers down regionally and there are 9 or 10 regions--Western NY, North Country, Central New York, Southern Tier, Mohawk Valley, Capital region and a couple others then NYC and Long Island. I think the North Country and the Southern Tier were the lowest %'s. I think they were both 2.1%. These areas aren't really the economic engines of the state though although Corning Glass is a fairly large concern out of Corning NY.
There is coordination with other states too that are particular to certain regions--NYC's proximity to Connecticut and New Jersey, Albany's proximity to Massachusetts, the North Country's proximity to Vermont and Canada, the Southern Tier's proximity to Pennsylvania and even a small piece of our state out near Jamestown both Pennsylvania and Ohio. So what these states decide to do will also factor in some way to how things reopen.
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On the question of meat---there's very good chance it is going to get really expensive. Covid-19 has been going through processing plants. It's a dangerous situation for the people who work in these plants. There are basically two phases that go on 1) meat production 2) sanitation. About 30%+ in the meat production phase are foreign born and about 90%+ in the sanitation are foreign born and many are hispanic and undocumented. It's a dangerous job even in normal times and it's a low paying job and some are paid under minimum. Any Charles Bukowski fans might remember him talking about working in one of these plants in Southern California in the 50's or 60's (I think one of his books where it comes up is Factotum). At the end of the day after a 10 hour shift or so he'd hop on a transit bus to take him back into L.A. just stinking because he's covered in 10 hours of baked on animal blood, feces and fear and on a rather typical for LA 80 or 90 degree day that just added to the funk and it was to his amusement to clear busses of passengers. It's a nasty job. A not very appreciated one either.
Trump has invoked the Defense Production Act to keep these facilities going but if the workers decide to not work because of Covid or if Immigration starts weeding out the undocumented it's going to collapse. People aren't going to want to work these jobs. The corporations that run these plants are very much motivated by profit. They will raise prices to keep up their lifestyles and make sure their investors are happy. The other side of it is ranchers and pig farmers and such are going to have an issue with too many animals on their hands. This could turn into a big mess.
Trump has invoked the Defense Production Act to keep these facilities going but if the workers decide to not work because of Covid or if Immigration starts weeding out the undocumented it's going to collapse. People aren't going to want to work these jobs. The corporations that run these plants are very much motivated by profit. They will raise prices to keep up their lifestyles and make sure their investors are happy. The other side of it is ranchers and pig farmers and such are going to have an issue with too many animals on their hands. This could turn into a big mess.
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That's a given with the numbers. Sweden and everyone knew that was going to happen at first. If there is no serious treatment or vaccine in the next 10 months then it's going to turn out they are doing the correct thing. They are betting on the idea that almost everyone is going to get this anyway, so as long as they avoid a triage situation (which they have) then they are going to end up with similar death numbers, just a much lower unemployment number. The only way Sweden comes out being wrong at the end of this is if a vaccine or solid treatment is developed quickly.
In the US, areas like NYC and North Jersey had to be shut down without a doubt because it's just too densely populated and we would have seen triage situations. With the awareness and use of masks now, as well as the fact that 25% of NYCers have antibodies, we'll see a spike when things are opened up, but we won't be overloading hospitals.
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I live heyah and not fuh nuttin but FL ain’t New Yawk
Ever since I moved here I laugh when they call these ‘towns’... cities. It’s a joke.
There’s no place you can go, even the theme parks, that’s comes anywhere CLOSE to a crowded street or subway. That’s the difference.
Yep, NYC is basically at least double every other US city in population density(Outside of Frisco). There are no comparisons. It's no fluke that these areas got hit the hardest. There's a ridiculous amount of people who live on top of each other.
Been waiting a long time for someone to work a Bukowski reference into a hockey board
LORDE
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This is a joke right?
So the president and the White House don’t need to fact check anything, they can and do just say whatever they want, like tremendous light and injecting disinfectants into the body and lungs and they’re good.
But THE MEDIA should fact check those things before saying how FALSE and outright f***ING STUPID they are?!?!
It’s not the media’s fault that he says dumb shit CONSTANTLY. It’s takes zero effort to go back and watch the video and listen to the audio or read the tweets.
romba
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This virus has exposed what running with every study as fact can do. It creates a lack of confidence in science in general. 10% kill rate, no 5%, no 1%, hmmmm maybe we better hold off on this for solid data, first you say no mask, then mask, choloroquine is the savior, no it is the devil, remsentavir will end this finally, oh wait it doesn't work, wait wait, it only works when given early....and on and on and on) It is a crazy time and there's lots of weak science out there with poor samples due to time constraints and interest in just garnering any useful data, often no control group etc. yet they're often the front page of multiple media sites touting the results as the New Facts of the Virus. No immunity after getting it? Vaccine impossible to work? Unable to detect people who have had it already? Everyone rushes to get their data out, and media rushes to report it. Instead of waiting for multiple robust healthy studies, we run with what's available and it is a complete shitshow science wise out there. Really need to sift through the articles and reports to find legit information with validity and reliability these days.
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I am a huge proponent of free press. That said, the quality of journalism in this country leaves a lot to be desired. Media literacy (or lack thereof) is also part of the problem.
romba
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This is where public funding can help. "State-owned media" is a loaded term in this country but "for-profit media" has its own set of problems. There's a middle ground somewhere.
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Basically just construction and some very minor restrictions ease on may 15th upstate. Add 2 weeks to each of your time frames for actual soft openings in the regions.
But if you are going to point to data, doesn't it also show that the mortality rate overall is overwhelmingly in the elderly and the infirm? So yes, deaths per capita is data, but it should be given out with some context.
What is happening in nursing homes is awful right now.
If the data is showing that there is a portion of the population for whom this is brutal and which account for much of the deaths, would that not imply that for the rest of the population it is not as bad as originally thought? Just food for thought here. Again, we can only theorize about what has flattened the curve. Many here would say that it was definitive solely due to the lockdown. They could be right. At a minimum, it certainly helped. But it could be that this was simply never as deadly as originally thought and the predictions of bodies piling up in the streets were incorrect? It could also be due to this floating around here since December and since we know just how quickly the spread is, that more people have contracted the virus and it simply stopped there?
Again no way to prove, just musing possibilities.
The percentages are based on a relatively small sample, but as they test more there are reasons to believe that those numbers will climb.
The other issue is that most media today has a bias and as such are incentive to paint stark pictures. The media in this country is awful right now. The NY Times has about as much credibility as the NY Post.
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Just in time for another one of my 22nd birthdays!
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Dr. Fauci just announced at the White House that in a controlled, placebo trial, Remdesivir had a clear and significant effect on shortening recovery time.
That's outstanding news.
That's outstanding news.
Machinehead
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He's comparing it to when he and his team discovered the first viable HIV treatment. Wow!
eco's bones
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A few days ago the WHO was saying Remdesivir was proving ineffective. Hopefully it is. The US Military bought a shitload of it a couple years back so we should have a pretty decent supply.
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