Speculation: Copp's future?

[Channelcat]

Pretty sure we don't see Copp in a Jets uni next season.

 

[Guffman]

I think Copp resigns with the Jets, especially with the departure of Appleton. We have the cap room. If we think Vesa takes a third line role, then we have two winger spots on lines 2 and 3... one of which Statsny will take, one which is wide open (I am not expecting Perfetti to take that, at least not initially).

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

For the Overhardt side of the story on Copp's last arbitration, see this:
andrew copp Archives - Boutique Hockey Agency - KO Sports

It comes across as whiny on the part of KO, and reads like it's trying to dupe a hockey novice who doesn't know what the arbitration process is like. But the language is still serious, Copp said they were "going to war". The point of the process is to arrive at a fair conclusion, so the organization always has to lowball to balance out the agent's highball. I hope this didn't sour things beyond repair.

 

[surixon]

For the Overhardt side of the story on Copp's last arbitration, see this:
andrew copp Archives - Boutique Hockey Agency - KO Sports

It comes across as whiny on the part of KO, and reads like it's trying to dupe a hockey novice who doesn't know what the arbitration process is like. But the language is still serious, Copp said they were "going to war". The point of the process is to arrive at a fair conclusion, so the organization always has to lowball to balance out the agent's highball. I hope this didn't sour things beyond repair.

The process itself is the problem. They need to update the arbitration process to a more MLB style one where the arbitrator picks one side or the other. It pretty much prevents the extreme offers at either side and encourages fair and justifiable asks for each side.

Most players who go through that process don't stay with the team for long after so yeah I'd imagine things are a bit strained.

 

[kylbaz]

I don't know why they didn't protect Appleton and let Copp go if there are contract issues. Appleton is a poor man's Copp with more offensive upside imo. Would give us room for more D improvement.

 

[Whileee]

I wonder if the signing of Stastny is a step before a Copp trade. Stastny gives the Jets a solid LW / C option for the next year, while Perfetti develops and Gustafsson and Vesalainen adjust to their roles. A year from now, Stastny will be off the books, PLD will be getting a raise, and Perfetti should be ready to move into the line-up as as top 6 option. Also, Vesalainen and Gus can play bigger roles, with Torgersson maybe even making a push for a bottom 6 role.

If the Jets have any future plans to take a run at a UFA like Pulock next off-season, then Stastny at 1 year is a better option than Copp at 4.5M+ for several years, especially with the Jets young forwards in the pipeline.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Most players who go through that process don't stay with the team for long after so yeah I'd imagine things are a bit strained.

Copp's is highly intelligent & well spoken, on par with both Lowry & Morrissey.

I'm sure he understands the process & isn't affected at all.

I see Copp signing his deal with Chevy before Pionk does.

 

[surixon]

Copp's is highly intelligent & well spoken, on par with both Lowry & Morrissey.

I'm sure he understands the process & isn't affected at all.

I see Copp signing his deal with Chevy before Pionk does.

We shall see, there seems to be a lot of smoke around shopping him though which is odd of both parties want to go long term together.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

We shall see, there seems to be a lot of smoke around shopping him though which is odd of both parties want to go long term together.

Agreed. Think he's dealt with Heinola for that top 4 rhd

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Copp's is highly intelligent & well spoken, on par with both Lowry & Morrissey.

I'm sure he understands the process & isn't affected at all.

I see Copp signing his deal with Chevy before Pionk does.

Here's Copp unedited response when asked in 2019 if the arbitration process meant he hard feeling towards Chevy & if he thought it might affect his future in Winnipeg.

“No. That’s not a part of my thinking at all. We were hoping to sign longer than two years for sure. We’re at a place where I’ve learned my way around the city a little bit. I’ve got friends here. I’m definitely not asking for a trade or anything like that. I’m not crossing this city off the list of places for when I have the opportunity to go whichever direction I want. When the time comes again in two years, hopefully we’re at a place where I’m happy with my role and my value here and they’re happy with where I’m at and we can come to some sort of agreement.

“I’m going to tell you every emotion I felt during arbitration but I’m also logical enough to know that, if it was a different team, it could have ended up being the same thing. I’m logical enough to know that if this is a good fit over the next two years and I see a spot that I’d like to be in, I like my role, I like my value, it’s definitely a place where I’d be willing to stay and sign another deal.

“I’m logical enough to know it was worth it probably for them too in the short term. I’m not going to close the door on it because of what happened two years ago. I’m going to take it one day at a time here and move our relationship forward and hopefully it turns out well over the next few years.”

 

[scelaton]

Copp's is highly intelligent & well spoken, on par with both Lowry & Morrissey.

I'm sure he understands the process & isn't affected at all.

I see Copp signing his deal with Chevy before Pionk does.

We shall see. I agree with your description of Copp, but there are some challenges:

1)Signing Dillon makes Pionk-Dillon our de facto first pairing and mitigates the size concern with Pionk. I think the team has made the decision to invest in Pionk long term--with the right partner and if he stays healthy, he has unlimited potential.

2)With the Jets' cap constraints, signing Stastny to an overpriced (IMO) contract made it that much harder to give Copp what he deserves. That is why I expressed concern about the the Stastny signing--it's not about him, it's about Copp and the mythical RHD we also ideally need.

3)Precisely because he is highly intelligent & well spoken, on par with both Lowry & Morrissey, he knows he needs to cash in on his great season long-term. As an American, with a college degree in business, and with Trouba's agent, I expect this will be all about business. There are many teams in the US who recognize his enviable combination of ability, character, telegenicity and leadership.

My hockey heart hopes I am wrong and all parties find away to make a deal, but my head can't add up the needs and the numbers.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

So far only two responses could still be correct, options 3 & 5.

61.4% of those polled got this wrong with more coming.

 

[surixon]

We shall see. I agree with your description of Copp, but there are some challenges:

1)Signing Dillon makes Pionk-Dillon our de facto first pairing and mitigates the size concern with Pionk. I think the team has made the decision to invest in Pionk long term--with the right partner and if he stays healthy, he has unlimited potential.

2)With the Jets' cap constraints, signing Stastny to an overpriced (IMO) contract made it that much harder to give Copp what he deserves. That is why I expressed concern about the the Stastny signing--it's not about him, it's about Copp and the mythical RHD we also ideally need.

3)Precisely because he is highly intelligent & well spoken, on par with both Lowry & Morrissey, he knows he needs to cash in on his great season long-term. As an American, with a college degree in business, and with Trouba's agent, I expect this will be all about business. There are many teams in the US who recognize his enviable combination of ability, character, telegenicity and leadership.

My hockey heart hopes I am wrong and all parties find away to make a deal, but my head can't add up the needs and the numbers.

Yup, the Stastny deal was a pretty big overpay given what the other old guys got. Imo the fact Chevy did that is part of the reason I think the writing is on the wall for Copp.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

We shall see. I agree with your description of Copp, but there are some challenges:

1)Signing Dillon makes Pionk-Dillon our de facto first pairing and mitigates the size concern with Pionk. I think the team has made the decision to invest in Pionk long term--with the right partner and if he stays healthy, he has unlimited potential.

2)With the Jets' cap constraints, signing Stastny to an overpriced (IMO) contract made it that much harder to give Copp what he deserves. That is why I expressed concern about the the Stastny signing--it's not about him, it's about Copp and the mythical RHD we also ideally need.

3)Precisely because he is highly intelligent & well spoken, on par with both Lowry & Morrissey, he knows he needs to cash in on his great season long-term. As an American, with a college degree in business, and with Trouba's agent, I expect this will be all about business. There are many teams in the US who recognize his enviable combination of ability, character, telegenicity and leadership.

My hockey heart hopes I am wrong and all parties find away to make a deal, but my head can't add up the needs and the numbers.

Last time around he simply wanted to be offered what his linemate Lowry had just signed for, a $2,916,667AAV. The Jets apparently only offered $1.5 million setting the tone for arbitration.

Overheart's website capture's the entire process with a full interview on the matter with Copp. It's dated September 2019 just two months after his last deal was signed.

It's a great read!

What Really Happened at Andrew Copp’s Arbitration Hearing- and What Comes Next for Him in Winnipeg - Boutique Hockey Agency - KO Sports

 

[WolfHouse]

I hope the Jets have offered a fair long term contract to him and not just arbitration ready deal... Copp has done everything we’ve ever asked and never complained

 

[surixon]

I hope the Jets have offered a fair long term contract to him and not just arbitration ready deal... Copp has done everything we’ve ever asked and never complained

They allegedly offered him the Lowry deal and he turned it down. No idea where things stand now.

 

[Teemusalami204]

He will sign 100 percent or Chevy let’s him walk because we are trying to make the playoffs

 

[WPGChief]

Jets have firmly established this 3-year window with the acquisition of Schmidt and Dillon that it would be a mistake to use a 1-year arbitrated Copp as a "self-rental". They need to find a suitor - maybe after tomorrow if team's miss out on the likes of Danault. Need to get another ELC forward that has underappreciated value on their current team.

 

[Guerzy]

Jets have firmly established this 3-year window with the acquisition of Schmidt and Dillon that it would be a mistake to use a 1-year arbitrated Copp as a "self-rental". They need to find a suitor - maybe after tomorrow if team's miss out on the likes of Danault. Need to get another ELC forward that has underappreciated value on their current team.

I’m not so sure? Unless the return on a Copp trade was very good, I would be fine keeping Copp for this coming season as our own rental and then parting ways.

Edit - I see now we cannot afford Copp.

 

[MardyBum]

Eh, I don't think Copp is the difference between a cup or no cup.

If you can get a younger-ish RW who may not be as established or is less valued because he can't play C I'd move him, especially if he's willing to re-sign with that team.

Depending on Pionk's contract we might not even be able to keep him for a year as a rental.

 

[surixon]

Jets have firmly established this 3-year window with the acquisition of Schmidt and Dillon that it would be a mistake to use a 1-year arbitrated Copp as a "self-rental". They need to find a suitor - maybe after tomorrow if team's miss out on the likes of Danault. Need to get another ELC forward that has underappreciated value on their current team.

They can't even afford his arb award contract with how things are setting up. We are going to need to fill out our forward core with cheap ELC and vet deals to be cap compliant.

 

[Romang67]

I wonder if Copp's numbers from last season may result in someone being willing to pay some value for him even though we're up against a wall wrt cap.

 

[BigZ65]

They can't even afford his arb award contract with how things are setting up. We are going to need to fill out our forward core with cheap ELC and vet deals to be cap compliant.

Functionally the Jets have $13 million in cap space even with the adds/re-signing in the last 24 hours, that's the max they can create on day one of the season when Little goes on LTIR. Until that time they can be 10% over so roughly $90 million including Little.

Copp is likely $4 million max on a 1 year, maybe a bit more on a long-term.

Pionk is probably $6 million.

Stanley is probably $1 million

Backup goalie is $1 million or less.

Have a million wiggle room.

 

[surixon]

I wonder if the signing of Stastny is a step before a Copp trade. Stastny gives the Jets a solid LW / C option for the next year, while Perfetti develops and Gustafsson and Vesalainen adjust to their roles. A year from now, Stastny will be off the books, PLD will be getting a raise, and Perfetti should be ready to move into the line-up as as top 6 option. Also, Vesalainen and Gus can play bigger roles, with Torgersson maybe even making a push for a bottom 6 role.

If the Jets have any future plans to take a run at a UFA like Pulock next off-season, then Stastny at 1 year is a better option than Copp at 4.5M+ for several years, especially with the Jets young forwards in the pipeline.

Yeah it is very much looking like that. We can't afford him at this point. Still think Cole can force his way in as we definitely will have holes in the top 9. I expect to see Ves on RW as Chevy made mention to it in his draft press conference.

 

[jetsforever]

I'm loving all these moves we're making but I'm starting to wonder if we're pricing Copp out of town.
He'd be great to bring back but it's pretty clear that he's going to need a decent raise and I'm not sure we can or should do that.