Contract cancellation due to military service

[Summer Rose]

I got curious and just started googling on the internet machine. Canada has some pretty specific federal and provincial law protecting reservists. I know I have very specific details in my jobs CBA regarding military call up as well.

Basic breakdown for Alberta is:

• Eligible employees can take time off work without pay without risk of losing their job.
• Employers must grant reservist leave to eligible employees and give them their same, or equivalent, job back when the employee returns to work.
• Employers aren’t required to pay wages or benefits during leave, unless stated in an employment contract or collective agreement.
• Employees on reservist leave are considered to be continuously employed for the purposes of calculating years of service.

An employee may take reservist leave for the following operations or activities:

• deployment to a Canadian forces operation outside Canada
• deployment to a Canadian forces operation inside Canada that is assisting with an emergency or the aftermath of an emergency
• annual training, included related travel time
• other operations set out as such in the Employment Standards Regulation by the Minister

Reservist leave

Eligible employees who are reservists can take leave for deployments and training.

www.alberta.ca

I got curious too, and looked around online to see what kind of laws (if any) were in place in the United States. We do have the Uniformed Services Employment and Re-employment Act of 1994, which mostly pertains to the Selective Service Act of 1948.

In practice, none of it is very pertinent to most people, but some things may come up, such as when one of my high school teachers had a husband was a military reservist who had the potential for getting called up to help do whatever my country did with Iraq in 2003 (the details of how/why being inappropriate to discuss on HF). The 1994 law doesn't spell out much, according to my reading of it, and this being the USA, the burden of proof generally lies on the claimant, which makes it even harder to prove discrimination for someone without means really.

The rest should go without much saying about how it works in practice here. I'm reasonably certain we're on more or less the same page anyway, either way.

 

[Zirakzigil]

I got curious too, and looked around online to see what kind of laws (if any) were in place in the United States. We do have the Uniformed Services Employment and Re-employment Act of 1994, which mostly pertains to the Selective Service Act of 1948.

In practice, none of it is very pertinent to most people, but some things may come up, such as when one of my high school teachers had a husband was a military reservist who had the potential for getting called up to help do whatever my country did with Iraq in 2003 (the details of how/why being inappropriate to discuss on HF). The 1994 law doesn't spell out much, according to my reading of it, and this being the USA, the burden of proof generally lies on the claimant, which makes it even harder to prove discrimination for someone without means really.

The rest should go without much saying about how it works in practice here. I'm reasonably certain we're on more or less the same page anyway, either way.

Kinda surprised by that, considering how proud most of the USA is about military service. Canada has come down pretty hard on employers for screwing around with reservists in the past.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Teemu did his time like a boss

 

[BruinLVGA]

The SCL Tigers and Aleksi Saarela have cancelled their two-year contract with immediate effect. This is due to the fact that the Finn will have to do mandatory military service for at least six months from July 2025

I don't think that would have happened if he played in the NHL instead of swiss league... Is this standard procedure in Suomi? Last time I heard anything comparable was with young russian players

Imagine that would happen to Heiskanen etc.

I remember that when I left Switzerland to go live in the States, I had to notify the army. These kind of things are a pain in the rear.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

These guys were one of my favorite bands when I was a teen, that's not very metal

Yeah, and he was wayyy better than the guy they replaced him with. Sad stuff.

 

[SirKillalot]

The SCL Tigers and Aleksi Saarela have cancelled their two-year contract with immediate effect. This is due to the fact that the Finn will have to do mandatory military service for at least six months from July 2025

I don't think that would have happened if he played in the NHL instead of swiss league... Is this standard procedure in Suomi? Last time I heard anything comparable was with young russian players

Imagine that would happen to Heiskanen etc.

Weird. Usually they get out of that as long as they should they have a professional sports contract.
Though to my knowledge they have to show it within a certain time, not sure how lenient they are if you are after the deadline.

 

[Albatros]

Weird. Usually they get out of that as long as they should they have a professional sports contract.
Though to my knowledge they have to show it within a certain time, not sure how lenient they are if you are after the deadline.

If they have a professional sports contract they also probably know a doctor, but other than that it's not a way out. Unless then they play overseas until they're past 30, but that means they're unable to return to Finland or own a passport age 28-30.

 

[SirKillalot]

If they have a professional sports contract they also probably know a doctor, but other than that it's not a way out. Unless then they play overseas until they're past 30, but that means they're unable to return to Finland or own a passport age 28-30.

Well its not about needing a doctor.
Its about showing that you taking a break from sports can harm your position in the team or development within the sport during a crucial time depending on your age.

Why this is any different for Saarela idk. To me it seems more like something he wants to do than anything else.

 

[GMR]

Good.

The Wall needs more men to guard it.

 

[Albatros]

Well its not about needing a doctor.
Its about showing that you taking a break from sports can harm your position in the team or development within the sport during a crucial time depending on your age.

Why this is any different for Saarela idk. To me it seems more like something he wants to do than anything else.

In Finland that's not a valid consideration once you hit 28. They'll send you an order to report to service and not doing so will be treated as desertion.

 

[SirKillalot]

In Finland that's not a valid consideration once you hit 28. They'll send you an order to report to service and not doing so will be treated as desertion.

Okay if that is the case it would make sense if he lived in Finland.
Doesn't make sense when he is abroad though.

Like Idk the rules there, but being a professional ice hockey player I'd say is a legit reason to miss it given you can only be a professional for so long in sports compared to other professions.
Though even in this case, why even terminate if he has to go, he wouldn't miss so much of the season and not the crucial part.

 

[Albatros]

Okay if that is the case it would make sense if he lived in Finland.
Doesn't make sense when he is abroad though.

Like Idk the rules there, but being a professional ice hockey player I'd say is a legit reason to miss it given you can only be a professional for so long in sports compared to other professions.
Though even in this case, why even terminate if he has to go, he wouldn't miss so much of the season and not the crucial part.

Legally it doesn't change the situation, but certainly he could live in Switzerland with his Finnish ID and just avoid any contact attempts by the authorities until he's 30 and too old to serve. Purposefully trying to do so is a crime, however.

If he wanted to serve it probably would have made more sense to join the army sports school. In this case he could have started his service in April rather than July and got more liberties for training and playing, at least in Finland.

 

[abax44]

Teemu did his time like a boss

My bad, apparently that's Leevi.

2nd pic is Teemu.

 

[Lempo]

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My bad, apparently that's Leevi.

2nd pic is Teemu. View attachment 1053463

One of these pics vaguely rings a bell.

Damn I wish I had a pomada doughnut now.

 

[NYRnine94]

I remember Ranger fans flipping out when we traded this guy for Staal

 

[PistolPete]

Teemu did his time like a boss

Why did he wait 4 years to join Winnioeg?

 

[PistolPete]

Good.

The Wall needs more men to guard it.

Eh?

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Why did he wait 4 years to join Winnioeg?

I'm not 100% on all the details cause I was very young at the time but I believe the jets lowballed him and at the time he couldn't sign anywhere else so he just played in Europe until they came up with a deal

 

[PistolPete]

Does anyone know rhe situation with Jari Kurri?

I read her dropped ro 4th round in his draft year because teams assumed he was going to do his military service but then it ended up he didn't and signed with Edmonton for the following season.

Given he never took time off, hiw did he eventually get his service time in?

 

[Albatros]

I'm not 100% on all the details cause I was very young at the time but I believe the jets lowballed him and at the time he couldn't sign anywhere else so he just played in Europe until they came up with a deal

They never made a deal, Selänne signed an offer sheet with the Flames and the Jets had to match it.

 

[Albatros]

Does anyone know rhe situation with Jari Kurri?

I read her dropped ro 4th round in his draft year because teams assumed he was going to do his military service but then it ended up he didn't and signed with Edmonton for the following season.

Given he never took time off, hiw did he eventually get his service time in?

Kurri served in the army sports school 1979-80 and was chosen the best athlete of his class.

 

[PistolPete]

Kurri served in the army sports school 1979-80 and was chosen the best athlete of his class.

Odd. I guess the story about why he dropped was inaccurate?

 

[PistolPete]

They never made a deal, Selänne signed an offer sheet with the Flames and the Jets had to match it.

But why did he even wait 4 years to sign in the NHL?

 

[Kahvi]

Odd. I guess the story about why he dropped was inaccurate?

The story, way I remember it, was that there were rumours that Kurri was not interested to move to NA to play at all. Oilers had better knowledge because of their Finnish connections.

Selänne also wasnt chasing NHL career, he thought he’d go there for a year or two to see what its like, and then return to Finland.

 

[Albatros]

Odd. I guess the story about why he dropped was inaccurate?

Hard to say, the Oilers had a Finnish scout in Matti Väisänen but other teams probably would have had a hard time judging the situation at the time.