Connor McDavid with his eight 100 point season - now tied with Dionne for 3rd most, only Wayne and Mario ahead
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J bo Jeans
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Wait, his PPG stat is propped up for missing games during his highest scoring years?
this is true, but strange stat as well as several players have scored more than 100 pts in a season and averaged a higher PPG pace doing so than 100pts in 56 games.
The more impressive stat is least number of games to hit 100pts in a season….which is Wayne at 34 games. By game 56 that year he had 69 goals and 166pts.
You will always have examples of fan boys saying stupid things, but the general fan base out there would not have been pulling down Mario and Wayne to pump up Sid and Alex…just never happened.
It’s possible, but still a long way away. I think there are quite a few other Gretzky records that are much more difficult though
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McDavid's out here losing Art Ross' to Kucherov while Sid lost to Jamie Benn.
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Crosby also played in the "tons of powerplays" era
in his first 9 seasons, Pens are #1 in PP opportunities at 4053
In McDavid's first 9, Oilers are #23 in PP opportunities at 2497...almost half lol
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Which make those only in league history to reach those absolute bars of the sorts always have some *, what Howe did is not necessarily less than 8 100 points seasons if he started in 1975. 2020 McDavid was better than many 100 pts season and so on.
If McDavid has is 10 Top 5 in his career, only Howe-Gretzky would have more is a bit more universal and he did it against strong international competition.
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His PPG is lower because he missed time at his absolute peak. Try using maths next time.
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Do you really think he has another 66 points in his next 41 games in 2010-11? He likely would have come down to earth as then season wore on. Same with the following year in his 20 something games.
Yes, since his PPG was actually increasing as the season went on.
But that stat has little to do with it Crosby would have kept up his pace. The only question would be if you think Crosby would play above or below a 112 point pace for those missed games?
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Well if he only played at a 112 point pace in those games it would bring his PPG down since those seasons he was pacing over 120 in 3 separate small sample sizes. He never broke 120 in a full season outside of the one time.
The original quote you replied to said Crosby played at a 112 point pace over his first 9 seasons. What you are posting is a non-sequitur. If he played at a 112 points in those games he missed, his PPG pace over his first 9 seasons would still be 112 points/82 games
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No, they just picked one of Sid or Alex and tried to pull down the other. They didn't need the comparisons to the all time greats because they had the comparisons to one another. McDavid doesn't really have an active comparable to do that with. The closest is Sid, and they're a decade apart, so it was always "the next Sid", not "whose better, Sid or Connor". Not until recently, when its been clear that by the time McDavid retires, he will be considered among the all-time greats.
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Most seasons in the top five in assists (1927-2025)
Most CONSECUTIVE seasons in the top five in assists (1927-2025)
Is this a cherry-picked stat? Yes, of course. But, even still, it's showing that McDavid is accomplishing big things, even in a disappointing year.
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Most seasons placing in the top three in PPG
Yes, you read that correctly. Only four forwards in NHL history have ever placed in the top three in PPG 10+ times. The consensus three greatest forwards in NHL history, and now McDavid.
Most CONSECUTIVE seasons placing in the top three in PPG
Most seasons placing in the top three in PPG, within in a player's first ten years
Some notes (in case anybody tries to validate this)
Yes, you read that correctly. Only four forwards in NHL history have ever placed in the top three in PPG 10+ times. The consensus three greatest forwards in NHL history, and now McDavid.
Most CONSECUTIVE seasons placing in the top three in PPG
Most seasons placing in the top three in PPG, within in a player's first ten years
Some notes (in case anybody tries to validate this)
- stats are from 1927 to 2025
- when calculating the highest PPG each season, any player with fewer than 10 games is excluded outright (other short seasons, ie Lemieux in 1994 or Crosby in 2012, are taken at face value)
- PPG isn't rounded (ie 1.113 is ranked ahead of 1.110, even though they both round to the same number with two significant digits)
- streaks continue over any seasons a player misses outright (ie Lemieux's streak continues even though he missed all of 1995)
- when calculating first ten years of a player's career, there's no adjustment for "false starts" (ie five games before their first full season)
- all data has been compiled in good faith, but let me know if anything looks off
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Kucherov also lost the Art Ross to Jamie Benn. So the rankings go:
Benn
Crosby
Kucherov
Mcdavid
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McDavid is going to be considered far superior by all at the end of his career. Already is now for me. His team quality and management are not his issue. McDavid is beyond generational by today's standard of generational.He has 2 fewer 100-point seasons than Ovechkin & Crosby combined (10 seasons vs 40 combined seasons)
Yet it's still a sensitive topic when you talk about who is top 5 all-time
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It’s incredibly unlikely he would’ve maintained his projected level of production. 2011 he had 32 goals in 41 games, then a season later 8 in 22 games. Such assist-goal variance shouldn’t happen to players who can actually maintain their production. It was a hot streak of high shooting percentage in 2011 and high teammate shooting percentage in 2012. Have you ever seen Mario Lemieux go 80 goals-100 assists, then 30 goals-150 assists the following season to maintain his ppg?. No you haven’t. Crosby 2011-2013 as a chance creator isn’t too different than 2014, the difference is the enormous puck luck.
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Great, that's totally irrelevant. The only question is would he have a higher ppg than a 112 point pace during the games he missed.
