Value of: Connor Brown

[Phion Keneuf]

I would love to have Brown back.
Maybe Amirov+2nd+Kerfoot+Engvall

Amirov isn’t moving, definitely not to bring Brown back

 

[Edgelord]

Massive over payment for another small forward.

Amirov isn’t moving, definitely not to bring Brown back

I agree but I really like Brown and Engvall, Kerfoot and a 2nd are painless assets to lose.

Mikheyev-Matthews-Marner
Bunting-Tavares-Nylander
Ritche-Brown-Kase
Simmonds-Kampf-Speeza
then run Marner-Brown on the PK

 

[Martin Skoula]

Brown is only a top-6 player on a lottery team, he does not have the hands or offensive IQ to be anything more than a high end grinder. Great two-way effort and great on the PK, but he's not physical in a way that opens up room for your skill guys.

You'll get a late 1st for him, but if the other team is expecting anything more than a good 3rd liner they'll be disappointed. If Brown is getting the top-6 offensive minutes and PP time he needs to put up 50 point paces, something is very very wrong with your team.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Brown is only a top-6 player on a lottery team, he does not have the hands or offensive IQ to be anything more than a high end grinder. Great two-way effort and great on the PK, but he's not physical in a way that opens up room for your skill guys.

You'll get a late 1st for him, but if the other team is expecting anything more than a good 3rd liner they'll be disappointed. If Brown is getting the top-6 offensive minutes and PP time he needs to put up 50 point paces, something is very very wrong with your team.

C. Brown had 8 powerplay pts in his first 2yrs with Ottawa. Not disagreeing with your other points... but he can absolutely put up 15-20 goals and 30-40pts from the bottom 6.

 

[Gurglesons]

As a Pens fan I’d give up a protect 1st and minor prospect for him.

 

[Xspyrit]

Brown is only a top-6 player on a lottery team, he does not have the hands or offensive IQ to be anything more than a high end grinder. Great two-way effort and great on the PK, but he's not physical in a way that opens up room for your skill guys.

You'll get a late 1st for him, but if the other team is expecting anything more than a good 3rd liner they'll be disappointed. If Brown is getting the top-6 offensive minutes and PP time he needs to put up 50 point paces, something is very very wrong with your team.

Refer to post #20

- used heavily in a defensive deployment (34.0 oZS% vs 66.0 dZS%) but still provides good offense (61st for Even Strenght Points among NHL players since 2019-20)

- He has scored at a 24 goals/50 pts pace (per 82 GP) in Ottawa (in 127 games, which is not a small sample size)

Yes he gets several more minutes per game in Ottawa than Toronto but those are mostly matchup/defensive/PK minutes...

61st for Even Strenght Points among NHL players since 2019-20 says it all. I know name recognition is going to be important for hockey fans so look at the names around him :

NHL Stats

Guys that don't need PP to produce are very valuable too. But those who are also excellent defensively and on the PK on top of that are even more valuable...

 

[Martin Skoula]

Refer to post #20

- used heavily in a defensive deployment (34.0 oZS% vs 66.0 dZS%) but still provides good offense (61st for Even Strenght Points among NHL players since 2019-20)

- He has scored at a 24 goals/50 pts pace (per 82 GP) in Ottawa (in 127 games, which is not a small sample size)

Yes he gets several more minutes per game in Ottawa than Toronto but those are mostly matchup/defensive/PK minutes...

61st for Even Strenght Points among NHL players since 2019-20 says it all. I know name recognition is going to be important for hockey fans so look at the names around him :

NHL Stats

Guys that don't need PP to produce are very valuable too. But those who are also excellent defensively and on the PK on top of that are even more valuable...

He's in his ideal situation right now, I'm not taking anything away from what he's accomplished in Ottawa he's an easy guy to root for. Having said that if Brown is any higher than your 3rd line, something is wrong with your RW depth if you're looking to contend. I can see it if you're hiding a Kessel type on the 3rd line for matchup reasons I guess.

 

[Xspyrit]

He's in his ideal situation right now, I'm not taking anything away from what he's accomplished in Ottawa he's an easy guy to root for. Having said that if Brown is any higher than your 3rd line, something is wrong with your RW depth if you're looking to contend. I can see it if you're hiding a Kessel type on the 3rd line for matchup reasons I guess.

Going forward, talking about line numbers will be seen as a bit "archaic", it's more about game situations, such as a matchup line, which is a predilected role for Connor Brown, a role in which he excels at and provides good offense.

You can call it 3rd line but in many cases, your 3rd liners (like Danault or Pageau) will end up playing more than some 2nd liners... because of matchup missions and PK

 

[CupcakeSprinkles]

I think if he's scoring at a similar clip he'll return a 1st or 2nd + b- prospect.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

He was on a 30 goal pace last season. Sens 2nd leading scorer. Is locked up for two more years at $3.6M. 27 years old. Great two-way player. 5 short-handed goals.

But he doesn't really fit the sens rebuild timeline.

So what's he worth?

He’s a great fit and mentor. He’s a hard worker to show the kids the way.

 

[DueDiligence]

He was on a 30 goal pace last season. Sens 2nd leading scorer. Is locked up for two more years at $3.6M. 27 years old. Great two-way player. 5 short-handed goals.

But he doesn't really fit the sens rebuild timeline.

So what's he worth?

Maybe in your world but he fits perfectly on the Sens now.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

As a Pens fan I’d give up a protect 1st and minor prospect for him.

That's the price for him. A late 1st + a B prospect. But Ottawa probably hangs on to him for another year.

 

[DJB]

3 reasons why we won't trade him.

1. Cheap contract and productive
2. Veteran presence
3. Did I mention he is still on a cheap contract?

Hes Melnyk's wet dream right now

 

[KrisLetAngry]

As a Pens fan I’d give up a protect 1st and minor prospect for him.

Amen Gurgs.

Realistically I don't see Ottawa trading him though. Guys on a sick deal.

 

[Lays]

As a Pens fan I’d give up a protect 1st and minor prospect for him.

He would fit in well there

 

[jbeck5]

He has 3 15+ goal seasons, two 20+ goal season, very good defensive player, has scored at a 50pt pace since coming to Ottawa, signed for 2 more years at 3.6m and he's only 27.

Ottawa wouldnt entertain a 2nd AND a B prospect, let alone one or the other.

This. He's one of the best value contracts in the league. It would take an overpayment to acquire him.

 

[jbeck5]

He's in his ideal situation right now, I'm not taking anything away from what he's accomplished in Ottawa he's an easy guy to root for. Having said that if Brown is any higher than your 3rd line, something is wrong with your RW depth if you're looking to contend. I can see it if you're hiding a Kessel type on the 3rd line for matchup reasons I guess.

Why do you talk about a player you don't know?

Brown produces at a second line player clip WHILE being better defensively than almost all second line players.

"Yeah, he's a 3rd liner max"

Lol okkkkk

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Brown is cheap and can play in all situations and look pretty good in a top 6 role.

Not sure why the senators would want to trade him. He's their new Clarke MacArthur or Brian smolinski

 

[Richard88]

Pretty good player with some leadership skills.
I don’t think he is a deadline acquisition guy tho so top value isn’t going to rise unless he puts up big numbers next two seasons.
He’s a mid to late second round pick or b prospect (young Connor Brown) right now is my guess. value could jump or decline obviously.

How about something around Martin Kaut for Connor Brown?

Like Brown Kaut is RHS RW, and is 5 years younger at 22 years old. He still also has two years left of his ELC which would be attractive to Melnyk no doubt.

Avs would need to find a way to make cap room to make it work since they only have about $1.3m with a 23 man roster.

 

[Clayonator]

The premise of this thread is ridiculous. He’s the living embodiment of the type of vet we need right now. Perfect spot holder for Sokolov/Boucher.

 

[Xspyrit]

How about something around Martin Kaut for Connor Brown?

Like Brown Kaut is RHS RW, and is 5 years younger at 22 years old. He still also has two years left of his ELC which would be attractive to Melnyk no doubt.

Avs would need to find a way to make cap room to make it work since they only have about $1.3m with a 23 man roster.

I can't speak for Ottawa but I think I have an idea of what they want or don't want. They let Rudolfs Balcers go on waivers last season despite him being a pretty good skater with a pretty good skillset. Is Kaut a really fast skater or does he bring a great physical game? If not, does he have a high end skillset?

Not only I don't think Kaut would be a Sens target, but I doubt they trade Connor Brown unless his contract demands become unreasonable. He's a key player for them and one of the very few good veterans on the team, but still only 27 y/o. Trading him to get a prospect like Kaut would be useless, Sens already have a lot of pretty good u-25 forwards, but there's only so many spots available. This is how it was voted on the Sens board (age) :

1- Tim Stützle (19)
3- Brady Tkachuk (21)
5- Josh Norris (22)
6- Drake Batherson (23)
7- Shane Pinto (20)
8- Tyler Boucher (18)
10- Alex Formenton (21)
11- Ridly Greig (18)
14- Egor Sokolov (21)
15- Colin White (24)
18- Roby Järventie (18)

Since then, there's a few more forwards that have started rising or will rise in the near future : Zack Ostapchuk, Oliver Johansson, Phillipe Daoust and Angus Crookshank

 

[Richard88]

I can't speak for Ottawa but I think I have an idea of what they want or don't want. They let Rudolfs Balcers go on waivers last season despite him being a pretty good skater with a pretty good skillset. Is Kaut a really fast skater or does he bring a great physical game? If not, does he have a high end skillset?

Not only I don't think Kaut would be a Sens target, but I doubt they trade Connor Brown unless his contract demands become unreasonable. He's a key player for them and one of the very few good veterans on the team, but still only 27 y/o. Trading him to get a prospect like Kaut would be useless, Sens already have a lot of pretty good u-25 forwards, but there's only so many spots available. This is how it was voted on the Sens board (age) :

1- Tim Stützle (19)
3- Brady Tkachuk (21)
5- Josh Norris (22)
6- Drake Batherson (23)
7- Shane Pinto (20)
8- Tyler Boucher (18)
10- Alex Formenton (21)
11- Ridly Greig (18)
14- Egor Sokolov (21)
15- Colin White (24)
18- Roby Järventie (18)

Since then, there's a few guys that have started rising or will rise in the near future : Zack Ostapchuk, Oliver Johansson, Phillipe Daoust and Angus Crookshank

I agree Ottawa are pretty well stocked. I was simply responding to the OP and one post in particular.

Kaut isn't really a flashy type of player, more of an all-round forward who makes smart plays in all three zones and has a decent shot. It hasn't really worked out in Colorado for him yet, but in his 9 game stint a couple of seasons ago he did look like an NHL player.