Connor Bedard Vs. Macklin Celebrini

[Luigi Lemieux]

Still need to see more of Celebrini but he's been so impressive so far. Expect he'll be the better two way player, so the question is how much better will Bedard be offensively? If at all...

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

The timing for these comparisons are a little unfair in that Bedard is slumping and Celebrini is playing out of his mind––recency bias will always creep into these discussions in unavoidable ways.

But I do think these conversations and comparisons should be less of a knock on Bedard (who is a very special talent) and more of a knock on the lack of hype around Celebrini. It should have been obvious what kind of an exceptional prospect Celebrini was, yet a good number of people around here and in the media seemed to think he was more of a middle-of-the-road first overall.

I think there was some hype fatigue for Celebrini since he was right after Bedard, and Bedard while solid didn't exactly light the world on fire. So hype was more muted for Celebrini if even Bedard struggled (relative to hype).

 

[The Burdened]

Ovechkin without Backstrom isn't that great.

OV scored 52 goals and 106 points as a rookie with no Backstrom.
Ovechkin made Backstrom

 

[GrumpyKoala]

He just won rookie of the year with one of the best D+1 scoring seasons in recent memory. His struggles right now aren't 3 points in 15 games. He's a proven top 6 scorer in the NHL and is only 19 years old. Hard to believe he won't be scoring 100+ points and 40+ goals during his prime, if not sooner.

He trending for another 60 pts season just like last year, so purely from an analytic perspective, he pretty stable. I don't think he currently slumping hard, that just a reflexion of what he is as a player with some room to grow

The gap between 60pts and 100 is huge. 80 players did 60+ last year and only 9 made it to 100.
Now I am not debating if he can, maybe, but the current indicators are not also like its a given.

Same things for goals. Not everyone with talent get a 40 goal season, Only 15 players did that last year.

I don't see a trend where people generally underrate him, if anything I see a lot of people hyping the unrealized potential he as, extrapolating on how good at a point in the future he would be.

 

[Xirik]

OV scored 52 goals and 106 points as a rookie with no Backstrom.
Ovechkin made Backstrom

Are you saying that Backstrom didn't help Ovechkin at all.


people these days...

 

[gary559]

I think the draft hype and playing in a bigger market has put a lot of pressure on Bedard, Celebrini is in the opposite situation where didn't get nearly the hype and playing in an empty building. I think San Jose is a favorable situation and if the players were swapped teams you would see Bedard playing a lot better.

 

[Video Nasty]

I’ll cling to how Bedard had 9 goals and 13 points in his own first 13 games.

 

[ijuka]

Are you saying that Backstrom didn't help Ovechkin at all.


people these days...

Moving the goalposts? You said that Ovechkin without Backstrom "isn't that great."

Ovechkin rookie season team top scorers:

1. Ovechkin 52g 54a 106p
2. Zubrus 23g 34a 57p
3. Halpern 11g 33a 44p

Those were the top 3 on Caps for scoring. Did he need Backstrom?

 

[Xirik]

Moving the goalposts? You said that Ovechkin without Backstrom "isn't that great."

Ovechkin rookie season team top scorers:

1. Ovechkin 52g 54a 106p
2. Zubrus 23g 34a 57p
3. Halpern 11g 33a 44p

Those were the top 3 on Caps for scoring. Did he need Backstrom?

Barkov without Reinhart isn't as that great
Kane without Toews isn't as great
Ovechkin without Backstrom Isn't that great.

which is the higher %

That I felt like dunking Ovechkin or that I accidently put the wrong word there?

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

OV scored 52 goals and 106 points as a rookie with no Backstrom.
Ovechkin made Backstrom

Backstrom was a 4th overall pick, elite talent.
Ovechkin didn't "make" him.